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Posted by gardenergirl on September 12, 2005, at 9:49:07
In reply to Re: I am shocked, posted by TenMan on September 11, 2005, at 12:51:13
> Holden is obviously Curt and while he may be knowledgeable about medications it is obvious he is playing games with this board.
Please be sensitive to the feelings of others and don't jump to conclusions about them or post anything that could lead them to feel accused.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civilFollow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil and should be directed to the admin board.
Thanks,
gg acting as deputy for Dr. Bob
Posted by yxibow on September 12, 2005, at 9:49:07
In reply to Blocked » willyee, posted by gardenergirl on September 11, 2005, at 10:51:20
> > Guy this person is just playing games.Am i the only one that sees this right now?
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> Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused. I asked you to be civil before, so now I am going to block you. I will leave the length up to Dr. Bob.
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> If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
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> Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
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> gg acting as deputy for Dr. BobI will post in an I feel manner.... It has come to my attention that I feel that you are not properly acting as a debuty for Dr. Bob. I babblemailed him about Holdan, whoever he is, that he should be blocked from the board. He was just a troll with expletives for people to bounce off of, and for someone, who remains nameless, I feel that banning for pointing this out is killing the messenger. I dont think a post went by until now that didnt include a harassing, pejorative comment from "Holdan".
my 2c.
and I am being civil.
Posted by mellymel_d on September 12, 2005, at 9:49:07
In reply to As Willyee has asked, I will stop Posting! Goodbye, posted by Holdan on September 11, 2005, at 9:15:05
I'm so sad for Wilyee- I believe he was just standing up for the rest of us and saying what we all felt. This whole situation was really too bad.
Posted by spriggy on September 12, 2005, at 9:49:08
In reply to Re: As Willyee has asked, I will stop Posting! Goodbye, posted by mellymel_d on September 11, 2005, at 17:18:10
Maybe this should be administration, but I just came on here and was thoroughly confused.
I found Holden's posts extremely offensive and had no idea why he was allowed to continue (repeatedly) to post offensive threads over and over. It was apparent whoever "holden" was had an attempt to sabotage (too bad I can't spell that word because it really fits here, ROFL) this place.
Anyway, is there any rules about reversing a block, especially in this situation where Willyee obviously was set up (as we all were)??
this just seems extremely unfair, especially now that we know what was occurring.
Posted by wildcard on September 12, 2005, at 9:49:09
In reply to any way to reverse a block??, posted by spriggy on September 11, 2005, at 18:23:46
Posted by Racer on September 12, 2005, at 9:49:09
In reply to any way to reverse a block??, posted by spriggy on September 11, 2005, at 18:23:46
While I, too, was offended by much of what Holdan posted here -- both by language and by content -- I don't agree that Willyee shouldn't have been blocked. (Although I won't disclose my opinion on blocking Holdan, in fear of getting my own PBC...)
Regardless of Holdan's intentions or identity or anything else, Willyee has been here long enough to know the rules, and one of the rules is that one has to remain civil, even when provoked. Willyee was obviously feeling quite provoked, and I can certainly understand and empathize with that -- but the fact remains that the civility guidelines say that we cannot post anything that might make another feel accused or put down. What's more, GG did give a PBC warning before imposing the block. Willyee had the choice to ignore that, and did so.
I was blocked for a week recently, after posting something about another poster -- something that I felt provoked into posting -- and much as I hated being blocked, I also knew that I had brought it on by the choices I had made. I hope that I've learned my lesson, and that it never happens to me again. But I appreciate the civility guidelines, which help me learn to be civil to others even when I really, really don't want to be. ;-D That's not a bad skill to have.
Finally, GG is acting as Deputy. Even if I didn't agree with her choice to block a poster, I would still support her, because she is performing a duty that helps us all. Rather than giving her Rat's Week, I would prefer to show my appreciation of her taking on this role by respecting the decisions she makes.
I'm sorry that this whole thing has happened. I'm very sorry that a regular poster who has contributed a great deal to this site was blocked because of it. But I respectfully disagree regarding reversing the block.
Peace.
Posted by wildcard on September 12, 2005, at 9:49:10
In reply to Respectfully disagree » spriggy, posted by Racer on September 11, 2005, at 21:31:07
Posted by spriggy on September 12, 2005, at 9:49:10
In reply to Very well said ; ) (nm) » Racer, posted by wildcard on September 11, 2005, at 22:03:56
I just found and read through the whole ordeal (which I likely should've done before I posted on the subject!).
Anyway, I apologize for questioning the deputy's authority (GG). I realize this was a tough call and after reading through the whole thing, I understand a bit more why this happened.
I did not see the PBC originally (or the response to the PBC).
I will remove myself from this "race that my dog ain't runnin' in" (my father's version to me of "mind your own business!).
ROFL
Posted by sleepygirl on September 12, 2005, at 9:49:10
In reply to As Willyee has asked, I will stop Posting! Goodbye, posted by Holdan on September 11, 2005, at 9:15:05
Posted by djmmm on September 12, 2005, at 9:49:11
In reply to As Willyee has asked, I will stop Posting! Goodbye, posted by Holdan on September 11, 2005, at 9:15:05
My opinion...
I think this ENTIRE post should be deleted... Holden should be warned for the unnecessary language, and all other PBC's and blocks, given in this post, should be forgiven.
Let's move on to more important things.
-d
Posted by wildcard on September 12, 2005, at 9:54:16
In reply to I should shut up... sorry for my ignorance, posted by spriggy on September 11, 2005, at 22:24:37
Posted by gardenergirl on September 12, 2005, at 10:07:15
In reply to Re: Blocked » gardenergirl, posted by yxibow on September 11, 2005, at 16:04:10
> He was just a troll with expletives for people to bounce off of,
Sorry, but please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civilFollow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
gg, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob
Posted by Nickengland on September 12, 2005, at 10:40:29
In reply to Re: Please be civil » willyee, posted by Gabbix2 on September 11, 2005, at 22:38:46
Hi Gabbi!
Hope you're well :-)
>Ya know, it doesn't take much to read the rules.
I know what you mean, just one click on the FAQ's...I had a quick read through a minute ago and noticed this may have been of some benefit to Holdan, from reading some of his posts he had shown he had clearly read the archives, (he asked about an old poster from way back) but whether he's read the FAQ's i'm not sure..
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"Please don't use language that could offend others..""What exactly do I mean by "could offend others"? It will depend, but will probably include words and phrases considered often or usually disparaging, obscene, offensive, or vulgar....
"Be aware that there may be posters who try to start arguments and upset others ("troll"). Of course, not everyone who starts an argument or upsets someone else *intends* to do so. What can be done about trolls?
(For Willyee)..
Especially in these situations, it may be best just not to respond. If you do, please be civil."
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I read somewhere about a Curt / Holdan link or something...
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"How can I change my name here?
Please don't post under more than one name at the same time. If for any reason you feel you need to change your posting name, follow these steps:
1. Stop posting under your current name.
2. Re-register ("for the first time") under a new name.
3. Post a message (under your new name) at Psycho-Babble Administration to let others know that you used to post under a different name. This is to try to reassure them that posters who appear to be new really are new. You don't have to say what your old name was."-------------------------------------------------
Its good that things have settled down now.... I hope Willyee returns soon. Also hopefully Holdan has now learnt the streets of the babble'hood. ;-)
Kind regards
Nick
Posted by Toph on September 12, 2005, at 19:05:49
In reply to Re: I am shocked, posted by TenMan on September 11, 2005, at 12:51:13
I think its best to take heed of the advice of veteran posters. Their longevity here is a strong indicator of their investment in the welfare of this forum. On the other hand, it is well established that replies to provocateurs need be civil also. Otherwise we just play into their hands.
Toph
Posted by crushedout on September 12, 2005, at 20:00:20
In reply to Respectfully disagree » spriggy, posted by Racer on September 11, 2005, at 21:31:07
I happen to think that you're doing an excellent job as deputy. Hope it's not too stressful.
Posted by Deneb on September 12, 2005, at 20:10:01
In reply to gardenergirl, posted by crushedout on September 12, 2005, at 20:00:20
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> I happen to think that you're doing an excellent job as deputy. Hope it's not too stressful.I agree with crushedout. You're doing so well, you could replace Dr. Bob!
Deneb
Posted by Dinah on September 12, 2005, at 21:13:35
In reply to gardenergirl, posted by crushedout on September 12, 2005, at 20:00:20
Agreed. You've been doing great.
Sorry I haven't been around more. My internet access is extremely limited. What a trial by fire.
If there's anything I can do, let me know.
BTW, the automatic asterisking allows cursing as long as you don't bypass it. Therefore the FAQ about language that might offend others doesn't apply.
There are ways of making clear what board culture accepts without being uncivil, and without administrative action. It just requires a bit more creativity. I happen to think Babblers are up to the challenge. :)
Posted by Nickengland on September 13, 2005, at 9:44:42
In reply to any way to reverse a block??, posted by spriggy on September 11, 2005, at 18:23:46
Hey Spriggy
>Anyway, is there any rules about reversing a block, especially in this situation where Willyee obviously was set up (as we all were)??
Whilst remaining neutral about Gardenergirl's block ~ I read this in the FAQ's..
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What happens if a deputy administrator makes a mistake?
Their actions are subject to review by me, and I should be able to be reverse them if necessary.-------------------------------------------------
In terms of when prevention is better than the cure ~ this has happened twice now on the meds board by what some think by the posting style, could possibly be the same poster.
With the meds board running smoothly, people posting helping each other, some people having diffcuilties with their medication, others offering support, others offering education. I know that willyee was always helping people before his block where he could with very informative posts and at the same time trying different medications and using the support from the board and the advice and knowledge of others to progress in his health. I think just recently before he got blocked he posted a picture of himself ~ things were going good on the meds board for him, people were trying to help him with his residual diffculties...but things were running smoothly so to speak.
I hope that there is not a relapses of these similar incidents that have occured to happen a third time with the possibliy of another poster, who may be quietly posting away now, just trying to better his/her health or help others only to get blocked ~ whilst the other poster that led up to willyees block (if it is indeed the same as the previous one/incidents as has been suggested) walks away free to return so to speak..
Once, twice was a coincidence ~ a third time I think we'd know for sure?..and bearing in mind the poster in question was uncivil (I attempted to repeat the language of one subject title, recieved a PBC, not knowing it would bypass the automatic asterisk system) whereas the poster knew to perhaps insert the asterisk to avoid a PBC on that particular thread on social?
I'm hoping things will not escalate out of control and another poster will not get blocked, like willyee did.
LOL Sorry I just realised that was slightly more than you asked in your question! :-o
Kind regards
Nick
Posted by Nickengland on September 13, 2005, at 11:28:33
In reply to Re: any way to reverse a block?? » spriggy, posted by Nickengland on September 13, 2005, at 9:44:42
Holdan said, "It is soooooo nice to find this empathetic, supportive group." He also posted as a "new" poster, so perhaps as he was new to the site he didn't know if the use of his language torwards the board and other posters was either against the civility rules or would be seen as offensive etc.
If you're new of course you have to learn by the rules ~ that makes sense to me.
I've used the google search function in the past to find out about medications (that was actually indirectly how I found the site) I was just using the google function again and accidently came across a couple of old threads..
"Holdan," when he recently just posted, signed his name as "Holden" and then as "Half the Holden I use to be"...just after.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20050909/msgs/553493.html
"Holdan" also asked about an old poster called Mitch, who I know used to post here for quite some time but stopped posting afew months ago, I actually posted to Mitch afew times myself whilst he was still here.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20050909/msgs/553634.html
Interestingly back in 2001 a poster named Holden spoke with Mitch...
"Posted by Holden on November 25, 2001, at 17:30:33
Hey everyone,
I'm taking medication for ADD (inattentive, non hyper), and am trying to work out proper dosing..."
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20011123/msgs/85124.html
Holdan said at one point he was Holden, more or less. Holdan also more or less said he was a new poster. Holden posted here in 2001.
I thought this might be relevant as in the FAQ's it says a name change should be posted on the Administration board and what with everything else going on, this may have been of some interest at the time..
Of course I could be completely wrong, as with Holdan and Holden, the *a* and *e* are the letters in involved, with the letters changed around names lately and the letters aren't exactly half the distance away from each other on my key board so it could of course just be a simple typing error...
Kind regards
Nick
Posted by spriggy on September 13, 2005, at 22:39:46
In reply to Holdan and Holden, Old and New, posted by Nickengland on September 13, 2005, at 11:28:33
Wow, some good under cover investigative work Nick.
When people sign up, aren't they required to have an active email account?
What if Dr.Bob required some sort of real world name for verification so things like this would be avoided?
Or would people be too worried about losing their anonymonity (spelling?) that they wouldn't do that??
I'm on a message board for pastor's wives (who also oddly enough, desire to be anonymous) and we are required to give our "real" name, phone number, address, and church information. It's simply to avoid this type of thing from happening over there and so there is accountability.I don't know. Just a thought.
Posted by ed_uk on September 14, 2005, at 15:49:26
In reply to Holdan and Holden, Old and New, posted by Nickengland on September 13, 2005, at 11:28:33
Gosh Nick, I'm 100% impressed with your detective work.
~ed
Posted by gardenergirl on September 18, 2005, at 16:24:01
In reply to gardenergirl, posted by crushedout on September 12, 2005, at 20:00:20
To everyone who expressed support for me recently, I really appreciate it. Thanks for taking the time to do that. I haven't grown thick skin yet, (not really sure how) so it was especially helpful.
((((Babblers))))
gg
Posted by alexandra_k on September 18, 2005, at 16:29:27
In reply to Thanks for support, posted by gardenergirl on September 18, 2005, at 16:24:01
> I haven't grown thick skin yet
Thats one of the things we love about you :-)
Its a shame that pain tends to go along with it :-(
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 19, 2005, at 11:22:58
In reply to Thanks for support, posted by gardenergirl on September 18, 2005, at 16:24:01
> To everyone who expressed support for me recently, I really appreciate it.
I'm glad you got some support. I'd like to add my appreciation for a job well done!
> I haven't grown thick skin yet, (not really sure how)
Maybe a few more rounds of this? :-)
Bob
Posted by gardenergirl on September 19, 2005, at 12:56:21
In reply to Re: Thanks for a job well done » gardenergirl, posted by Dr. Bob on September 19, 2005, at 11:22:58
This is the end of the thread.
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