Posted by Lou Pilder on April 6, 2014, at 9:49:59
In reply to Lou's reply-knurmbglwz » Willful, posted by Lou Pilder on April 5, 2014, at 16:46:04
> > Hi Lou
> >
> > My sense is that your goals are:
> >
> > 1. to persuade people that psychopharmacological treatments (drugs) are dangerous and possibly fatal to the person taking them, both from their chemical form and their effects when taken;
> >
> > I believe that you believe also that these drugs are a work of evil and have said that people who taken them will end up in a "lake of fire"-- I assume in an afterlife as punishment for taking these drugs during their lifetimes.
> >
> > I think you are trying to save people from these dangers.
> >
> > 2 You also have the goal of having statements that you judge to be anti-semitic sanctioned in some way so that they will not stand.
> >
> > 3. The poster who called you "bigoted" had some reason in their mind fir saying this. .-- I am not aware that someone did, or when someone did this-- . Therefore, because I don't know the circumstances in which this name-calling occurred, I can't comment on the other person's motivation.
> >
> > 4. There is something that you have written that has offended someone or caused her/him to think you are bigoted. This does not mean the person is correct, only that something that you did probbly did evoke this.
> >
> > 5. The statement "no Non-Christian can enter heaven" is a conventional view of many Christian denominations. It is in my view totally incorrect-- and many contemporary Christians do not subscribe to this view. Some however do.
> >
> > So no-- it is not sensitive to Jewish readers.
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> > But I also hope and believe that Jewish readers are wise enough to dismiss such statements, even if they also may rightfully argue against them. I believe Jewish readers defeat such statements by showing that they were historic mistakes.
> >
> > In a context in which there is no threat to Jews, these statements should be ignored, not given more attention-- because attention only spreads them further and gives them more power.
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> > So I would personally try to make such statements irrelevent, not to focus on them, which makes those who believe them defend them more.
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> > ~~~
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> > I hope this helps give you my perspective.
> >
>
> Willful,
> You wrote that you hope and believe that Jewish readers are wise enough to dismiss such statements, (as,... no non-Christian can enter heaven...].
> There could be a subset of Jewish readers that could feel put down when they read it here because Mr. Hsiung states that statements that are un repudiated by him or his deputies are statements that are not against his rules. And Mr. Hsiung also states that he does what in his thinking will be good for this community as a whole. And he also states that being supportive takes precedence so that readers could think that the statement in question is supportive. Mr. Hsiung also states to not post what could be insensitive or disrespectful to another's religion. To say that no non-Christian can enter heaven, a subset of readers could think that is analogous to Jews can not enter heaven.
> Then there could be vulnerable Jewish readers and other readers that are depicted in the statement that could feel immense hurt and go into a deeper depression that they are already in because they could feel ridiculed because the forum's administration allows the statement to be seen as supportive since it stands un repudiated. And they could see my efforts to purge the statement and the resistance to my efforts which IMHHHO could reinforce the hurt feelings that these readers could have when they read, [...no non-Christian can enter heaven...].
> This could lead Jewish and other readers depicted in the statement to feel devalued as guests here, thinking that the administration of the forum is validating what the statement purports since it is not repudiated by them. And there could be Jewish and other readers depicted in the statement that can not overcome the power that Mr. Hsiung and his deputies have to control the content here and could think that as Jews and the others, think feelings of inferiority and be indoctrinated to think that Judaism is inferior to Christianity because the statement, no non-Christian can enter heaven, could be seen as being validated by a psychiatrist. That is more powerful of a persuasion than if, let's say, they see it on television stated by a Christian preacher.
> The argument was used by some public schools before it was made illegal in the U.S., to try to convert Jewish students by saying that they should be taught strong enough at home to reject the pressure of the school authorities trying to convert them to Christianity. The courts ruled differently and IMHO for very good reason. The same argument that you hope and believe that Jewish readers are wise enough to dismiss, IMHO is not valid on the grounds that I am prevented from posting my response to the post due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung which put Jewish readers to only read the Christian perspective without me being allowed to post the Jewish perspective as revealed to me. This could lead IMHHHHO to an indoctrination of Jewish readers that are not wise enough to dismiss the statement. And many readers here are impaired by depression and mind-altering drugs so they IMHO do not have a level playing field here do so. This happened in the historical record where Jewish books were burned and Jews were not allowed to practice Judaism openly and Jews were not even allowed to be teachers or psychiatrists.
> Never again.
> LouWillful,
You wrote,[...in a context in which there is no threat to Jews, these (anti-Semitic) statements should be ignored...because attention spreads them further and gives them more power...which makes those that believe them defend them more...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the following then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
True or false:
A. I know for a fact, Lou, that in this context, the anti-Semitic statements allowed to stand by Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record can not be a threat to Jews and I will post here why I have the authority to say that it is a fact.
B. redacted by respondent
C. I know for a fact, Lou, that giving attention to the anti-Semitic statements in question gives them more power and I will post here what that power is.
D. Those that believe the anti-Semitic statements in question here are defending them because you want them purged, Lou, and I will list some of those links showing that to validates my claim, Lou.
E. The anti-Semitic statements being allowed to stand here, Lou, that you are wanting purged, will be good for this community as a whole to remain plainly visible un repudiated by Mr. Hsiung, and I will post here why I think so.
Lou
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