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Posted by qqqsimmons on September 12, 2006, at 15:07:06
is there any supplement that increases serotonin without increasing norepinephrine or dopamine? i believe st john's wort and fish oil can increase norepinephrine/dopamine...
i expect these other neurotransmitters are responsible for my sleep troubles, but i need something for depression. i guess i could see a doctor and try celexa or paxil again. i remember prozac as being quite stimulating.
Posted by Declan on September 12, 2006, at 17:57:32
In reply to alternative ssri?, posted by qqqsimmons on September 12, 2006, at 15:07:06
www.suvida.com
lets see if that works.
Seroctin, anyway. Maybe that?
Posted by qqqsimmons on September 13, 2006, at 11:22:55
In reply to Re: alternative ssri?, posted by Declan on September 12, 2006, at 17:57:32
found some celexa from back when and took 10mg...my stomach was doing somesaults all day, except when i had a diet coke...i thought about going home sick...but i also felt a lot less timid, even talked to one of my bosses who usually intimidates the hell out of me...
Posted by Jlx on September 14, 2006, at 18:22:37
In reply to Re: alternative ssri?, posted by Declan on September 12, 2006, at 17:57:32
> www.suvida.com
>
> lets see if that works.
>
> Seroctin, anyway. Maybe that?Well there's nothing in Seroctin that would seem to hurt anyway.
Ingredients: aerial zea mays, lecithin, alfalfa, ginger root, ionic trace sea minerals
"zea mays" is cornsilk, apparently
JL
Posted by Jlx on September 14, 2006, at 18:30:23
In reply to alternative ssri?, posted by qqqsimmons on September 12, 2006, at 15:07:06
> is there any supplement that increases serotonin without increasing norepinephrine or dopamine? i believe st john's wort and fish oil can increase norepinephrine/dopamine...
>
> i expect these other neurotransmitters are responsible for my sleep troubles, but i need something for depression. i guess i could see a doctor and try celexa or paxil again. i remember prozac as being quite stimulating.Prozac is primarily a serotonin booster I believe and yet you found it stimulating. I did too in a weird way. I couldn't sleep, yet felt sleepy.
5-HTP and tryptophan both raise serotonin and may be worth a try. They feel different to me than Prozac did.
Magnesium, especially when combined with a calming amino like glycine as "magnesium glycinate", may be sedating. Glycine itself is calming. Some people are the opposite and find calcium calming. Or perhaps a combo may be useful.
Magnesium, incidentally is the most effective "antidepressant" I've ever taken. :)
The biggest enemy of sleep I've found, is eating sugar.
JL
Posted by Declan on September 15, 2006, at 2:33:39
In reply to Re: alternative ssri? » Declan, posted by Jlx on September 14, 2006, at 18:22:37
Cornsilk is used for urinary complaints.
Is there a connection?
Posted by qqqsimmons on September 15, 2006, at 9:18:20
In reply to Re: alternative ssri? » qqqsimmons, posted by Jlx on September 14, 2006, at 18:30:23
oh well, benadryl inhibits the reuptake of serotonin and i can sleep forever on it...
except it can also rob me of the ability to form sentences, and it can make it difficult to stand up without falling over...
Posted by linkadge on September 15, 2006, at 10:02:32
In reply to Re: alternative ssri?, posted by qqqsimmons on September 15, 2006, at 9:18:20
Yeah, there is another OTC antihistamine called chlorpheniramine. It is a stronger SSRI than benydryl. Actually it is an SNRI.
The idea that serotonin is the calming neurotransmitter is kind of simplistic. Serotonin at different receptor subtypes produces different psychological effects.
Linkadge
Posted by qqqsimmons on September 15, 2006, at 11:03:40
In reply to Re: alternative ssri?, posted by linkadge on September 15, 2006, at 10:02:32
for me, if i'm around people, more serotonin seems to make me more social...this seems to make me overstimulated or possibly hypomanic.
Posted by Questionmark on October 1, 2006, at 21:01:46
In reply to Re: alternative ssri?, posted by qqqsimmons on September 15, 2006, at 9:18:20
The primary effects of Benadryl (diphenhydramine) are antihistaminic and anticholinergic. Or at least those are major effects of the drug as well as serotonin reuptake inhibition. (I think it may be a 5-HT2 antagonist as well??).
I believe the same is also true for chlorpheniramine.
> oh well, benadryl inhibits the reuptake of serotonin and i can sleep forever on it...
>
> except it can also rob me of the ability to form sentences, and it can make it difficult to stand up without falling over...
Posted by sregan on October 2, 2006, at 10:28:25
In reply to alternative ssri?, posted by qqqsimmons on September 12, 2006, at 15:07:06
> is there any supplement that increases serotonin without increasing norepinephrine or dopamine? i believe st john's wort and fish oil can increase norepinephrine/dopamine...
My experience with 5HTP was similar to that of Prozac, Paxil and Effexor (high anxiety). I just assume I'm sensitive to serotonin. You could also take Tryptophan which the body has to turn into 5HTP before making serotonin.
If you need dopamine or norepinephrine you can take Tyrosine or DL-Phenylalanine. The body makes NE from Dopamine so if you have an amino defficiency increasing dopamine should increase both.
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