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Posted by paulbwell on June 29, 2005, at 20:40:11
April 8, 2004 -- Behavioral problems in children with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) frequently don't resolve with Ritalin, the medication most commonly used to treat the condition. But new research suggests that combining a daily zinc supplement with Ritalin can boost the efficacy of Ritalin.
A new study shows that children who took 55 mg of zinc daily along with their Ritalin had better symptom control than children given Ritalin and a dummy pill, says Shahin Akhondzadeh, PhD, associate professor of clinical neuropharmacology at the Tehran University of Medical Sciences in Tehran, Iran.
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The best form of Zinc to take-accordingly to world nutritional authority Dr Michael Colgan-is Zinc picolinate, which is 10x better absorbed than Zinc oxide. I have found this form in Twinlab Zinc caps, 30mg a cap, which i take 2x day. I have found myself using less Ritalin, Scripted 70mgs day, not sure if this why but it cannot hurt and helps with immunity and appetite too.Still wanting to try Dextroamphetamine as this often appears to be rated higher in many ADD forums, and also acts on Serotonin i believe, as well as having nurotransmitter output function as well as reuptake function, which is what Ritalin does-for Dopamine and Norpinephrine. I have been referred to a specialist so we'll see.
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Posted by linkadge on June 29, 2005, at 20:40:11
In reply to ZINC BOOSTS RITALINS EFFECTS!!, posted by paulbwell on June 29, 2005, at 19:58:52
Yeah, I've read varients on this report all over.
You can mess around all you want with the neurotransmitters, but if the proper circutry is not in place it will have no effect.
Zinc is an NMDA antagonist like magnesium. Both can work to prevent stimulant poop out, but both will block most subjective mood improvement etc.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on June 30, 2005, at 6:30:28
In reply to ZINC BOOSTS RITALINS EFFECTS!!, posted by paulbwell on June 29, 2005, at 19:58:52
It seems that altough zinc and other NMDA antagonists seem to reduce tollerance to many beneficaial drugs, they will also reduce the activation of the medium spiny neurons in the neucleus accumbens. Ie, When I took Ritalin, magnesium helped poop out, but it abolised and subjective mood improvement by the med. Subjective mood improvement is likely a result of glutamate activity in the NAA.
Linkadge
Posted by paulbwell on July 2, 2005, at 0:27:18
In reply to Re: ZINC BOOSTS RITALINS EFFECTS!!, posted by linkadge on June 29, 2005, at 20:37:13
"You can mess around all you want with the neurotransmitters, but if the proper circutry is not in place it will have no effect."
Thats why you make sure theres enought vitamins a nd minerals to creat the nessary nurotransmitters
"Zinc is an NMDA antagonist like magnesium. Both can work to prevent stimulant poop out, but both will block most subjective mood improvement etc."
Block mood improvement?
What do you mean Link?I take both minerals, and they seem to work.
Cheers
Posted by linkadge on July 3, 2005, at 2:52:12
In reply to Re: Zinc Ritalin » linkadge, posted by paulbwell on June 29, 2005, at 20:43:44
Some people get more than attention improvement on stimulants.
Stimulants like ritalin and dexedrine will release some dopamine in the neucleus accumbens, like some harder drugs (ie cocaine, etc) which can be pleasurable.
It has been shown the NMDA antagonists can tend to even out this release. Ie the drugs may not give you a buzz.
By all means, take the vitamins and minerals. But don't stop taking them on account of their ability to slightly change the dynamics of the drug (ie slightly dampening the subjective mood boost)
Linkadge
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