Posted by Thorp on May 22, 2005, at 5:59:24
In reply to Re: Original Limu » Thorp, posted by Larry Hoover on May 21, 2005, at 10:32:28
Hey Lar, 2005 05 22
What a pleasure to hear from someone who specializes in this kind of technology. I particularly enjoy your care and detail in responding to my posting. We are brothers in the technology of organic chemistry. Aren’t you glad that you pursued organic chemistry? What a rich a field it is! We can study endlessly in just the field of organic chemistry and barely touch the surface. I can learn a lot from you as a toxicologist. I come from a long lineage of chemists and my brother also with a Ph.D. degree in organic chemistry is married to my sister-in-law who is really big, at least to me, in toxicology in a prominent California institution where she is writing a comprehensive book on the subject as I understand it. She and my son who is now a radiologist and my other son in med school speak the same lingo when we have get-togethers, leaving me in the dust as a mere industrial chemist with a particular focus in polymers and plastics. I also am acquainted with a whole raft of other technologies here and there as I also have served over 15 years as an on-line technical database specialist and technology and patent analyst assisting researchers in industry and patent attorneys particularly in the intellectual property arena.
I am fascinated with limu moui more as a beneficiary but also intrigued as a technically oriented guy. I have a theory as a chemist why brown algae like limu moui have fucoidan in their cell walls and why it has such diverse beneficial effects in human beings and even their pets. [I do try to keep it away from the varmints like raccoons that already do enough damage and don't need to be any smarter or stronger!] My younger son in med school who at first dismissed the product saying that it was impossible to impact so many different chemical pathways in the body to afford such diverse beneficial effects is now leaning towards my explanation. You probably have already come up with the same explanation or better seeing how this is your area of expertise anyway. I would appreciate it if you would share such common knowledge with me.
Obviously you are way ahead of the game. You know all about such seaweeds, and know all their names. Although I am a chemist and am fascinated to read what you write and am eager to hear more, I may shock you a bit in that all that knowledge, as great as it is, is really just icing on the cake for me. I have seen too much. I tested it myself on myself taking it with incredible results and then discontinuing it to see the same ailments return and then see them disappear again as I continued with Original Limu again. I know first hand of its value. I have seen blood work on different people. I have seen people get their lives back. So, although I am trained and could spend quite a while digging into this and that and indeed truly enjoy doing it, I’m already 58 years old and want to do something more with my life than just help one chemical company sue another over intellectual property issues. I agree with The Limu Company’s motto, I want to make a difference with my life and I see a very special way in doing it by sharing the good news of Original Limu with the world as fast as I possibly can so as to make it a happier, more productive, more secure and less politician-dependent world.
I just get more and more reassurances on a regular basis that what I am doing with my life in regards to Original Limu is the path I was meant to take. For instance, I took my fifth of my five sons to get his broken hand (spring football practice injury) taken care of a couple weeks ago in the office of a Philippine-born physician and he and his wife said they not only knew the name limu moui specifically but that limu moui specifically is what they crave when they return for vacation as they were brought up eating limu moui on a daily basis, much like the Tongan Island people. They say that the people back home are healthy due to the limu moui being a staple in their diet and that his patients and our country in general is sick because of our poor diet and pollution among other things.
There is another physician in the area already recommending Original Limu to his patients in that he is getting more and more concerned about the harm overmedication is doing to his patients and our country. He is getting more and more excited about the product as he see the lab work come back for his patients who are taking Original Limu. And, by the way he comes I think from Pakistan where traditional medicine is just one consideration in helping people with their health. I wish there were more open-minded and caring physicians around like this man.
I just picked up my other son from prep school and the red bumps and acne in general are gone since he decided as a last straw to request that I let him have Original Limu. In fact, like the woman in her mid-forties here in my town who had horrible scarring from adolescent acne, his scarring too has been slowly fading away. Both the woman and he are utterly amazed as am I! So, you can see my excitement.
As far as selling, Lar, a person asked on the forum what opinions people had about Sea Vegg. I told them and my enthusiasm just cannot get me to shut up! What am I to do, Lar? Should I play a cat and mouse game and make him guess how he can get this spectacular supplement? Should I let people continue to get milked by the commercialism of a far inferior product that presents a very compelling story of what Original Limu is far more fit to do where its strength and activation far exceed that of Sea Vegg as a result of the fifteen years of research and development that went into the Original Limu extract? So, Lar, I could send them to the generic web site, but The Limu Company is so ethical that it goes to great pains to make sure that an order is coupled to the person recommending it. So, why put the onus on the one just trying to get the product to try to investigate and find out who is responsible for alerting him and educating him? And, whom else would a new person want to be associated with but the one who was convincing enough from his heart to help him and who is willing to be there with him until he sees relief? These forums the moderators of which get all worked up about spam are simply frustration machines to people sincerely asking for help, praying on their knees for help and then the moderator comes around and deletes for them, as if they cannot think for themselves, the possible answer, in my case an extremely solid possible answer, for giving them a whole new lease on life!
I hold Dr. Bob’s forum in very high esteem in that it performs an extremely valuable service of the free speech exchange of ideas so different from totalitarian and power-intoxicated moderators who enjoy and demand, like dictators of third world countries, censorship and thus ravage their own forums and countries respectively. I think those living in the ivory towers of academia often miss the value of free speech except where it comes to them being supported by the government to publish in scientific journals or perish.
OK, Lar, let’s deal with expense. How much are people spending now on medication that only treats a symptom but does not get the person well? Just look at the politics of fear based on the rapidly escalating expense of a greedy pharmaceutical industry that spends far more, as I understand it, on advertising than on R&D! There are already large numbers of people taking this very new food product, Original Limu, whose physicians are cutting them back and even discontinuing them on many of their medications in that the symptom is fading away because the body is finally getting the nutrition so desperately missing in our Western culture to get its chemical machinery working effectively again as designed by its Maker to fix itself, correct its foul ups, regulate out-of-control processes, and otherwise adjust the bodies to perform as designed.
Look Lar, you get paid, for being a toxicologist, don’t you? If there were no value to what you do, don’t you think you would be looking for some other line of work? Well, some bloke whose specialty was extracting nutrients from grasses took a risk to see what he could do with limu moui over which so many people for so many thousands of years have hailed as being the source of their great health and longevity. He spent 15 years with no certainty of whether he would succeed. Yet, you see a pharmaceutical company do the same thing and you say that’s OK. Lar, you cannot speak out of both sides of your mouth. If it were not worth it, it would not be on the market and people would not be buying it. It is on the market and people are slowly awakening to its incredible value – every bit as much as a pharmaceutical company would charge for a comparable discovery which no doubt would be 10 to 20 times that for which Original Limu is sold. And, what pharmaceutical company holds your hand to make sure you get the best crack at getting the results you are looking for. For all I do in helping people become aware of this extraordinary product and for all I do in coaching them and assisting them in getting the best results, the price charged presently is far too little!! ~! And, what pharmaceutical company provides an avenue for the consumer to get his product paid for simply by sharing the great idea others are dying to hear about. In fact, maybe the pharmaceutical company could learn a thing or two from The Limu Company!
OK, now Lar, truly I am not trying to be antagonistic to you at all. I just get good and put out at the screwed up way people look at direct marketing askance and then glorify the industry that doesn’t fix the problem but merely poisons you day by day as if it were strychnine in regards to the very dangerous side-effects of which we only know too well from the recent exposure of the sloppy job performed by the pharmaceutical industry apparently in cahoots with the FDA in placing their pain medications Vioxx, Celebrex and Alleve in the marketplace. Why would I want to put that man-made stuff into my body for handling pain I am experiencing when I can turn to a natural product, Original Limu, without the dangerous side-effects in that it is merely a food, and get relief by getting the body to do what it was designed to do if fed properly of eliminating the pain naturally. I am no expert. I am no physician. But, I can read. I can read the well-referenced summary of the value of limu moui by Rita Elkins in her book, Limu Moui, which is sold in most health food stores. I can also read any number of the rapidly growing reports regarding fucoidan in the database of the National Library of Medicine at www.pubmed.gov.
Now, one last point that I think you are trying to make is that you wonder why all the whoopla about some stupid limu moui extract when “brown algae have been contributing to health of many seaside populations, without anyone knowing about the sulphated polysaccharides (fucoidan) they all contain.” Well, as I understand it and see with many other fresh vegetables in our grocery stores, limu moui or any other seaweed is perishable. So, yes, the seaside populations can do well without Original Limu simply eating the seaweed as a staple of their diet. I have no argument – except I strongly suspect that Original Limu is much more concentrated and more convenient to consume than going to the kitchen and cooking up some seaweed. Accordingly, I have two arguments why Original Limu is one of the greatest discoveries of our time:
1. The essence and more (due to the proprietary extraction process) of limu moui is captured in a formulation that remains vital and effective for long periods of time without any real concern over its perishability. You could look at it like preserves of peaches or figs.
2. We live in a highly stressful world and time is of the essence and thus our population is killing itself eating junk food and fast foods. You could look at Original Limu as a fast food but so different in regards to nourishment from the normal fast food fare of the Western culture that has been exported around the world with devastating effects! We have an obligation to export Original Limu to make up for the devastation our Western culture has wreaked upon the world. Also, there are a few people that not only wouldn’t take the time to learn how to cook or prepare seaweed or to take the time daily to prepare it but there is a whole bunch of people whose tastes unfortunately have not yet adapted to the idea of eating some slimy green-brown dirty looking seaweed which they might consider no better than fried locust or worms or caterpillar. I do not speak such to defame your specialty, Lar – forgive me if I step on your toes here – that’s just how ordinary people are!So, yes, the nutrition of limu moui is not new. People have been eating it for thousands of years with great benefits in a highly vigorous and vital existence with exceptional longevity. The greatness of Original Limu is that it is now available to anyone and everyone, or will be soon as countries are qualified for distribution. It is kind of like what smoked meats did for the pioneers of our country when refrigeration was not available. Actually, at first it looks just too ridiculously simple for anyone to get worked up about Original Limu, but some of the greatest discoveries for the advancement of civilization are the simplest. Yet, the plant itself and the corresponding extract, Original Limu, as simple as it is for us just to grab it and eat it, it is a miracle of immense proportions like so much else in life that points to a Creator that a scientist in particular can more than any other of God’s children see clearly as he studies the miracles of His creation.
Finally, who cares what you call it or where it came from. Fucoidan is fucoidan! Original Limu is a powerful nutritional supplement with fucoidan being a key component. I don’t know personally, not being an expert, but I suspect the economics of kelp, which you teach me is limu moui and one of many brown algae bearing fucoidan, and also what I have heard regarding the especially high concentrations of fucoidan in limu moui in particular vis a vis other brown algae may have favored the development of the extraction process on limu moui over some other brown algae. Why would one want to waste his time developing an extraction process on a marine vegetable that is not easy to harvest, is not plentiful, is not stable to processing, does not grow quickly, etc. etc. I don’t know about such details. If you like, go out and create your own extraction process for some other brown algae and put it on the market. I suspect the limu moui was chosen because it is the most economical brown algae to extract and who wants to pay any more for a fucoidan-laced supplement than they have to! I really don’t care what the source of the fucoidan is in the research papers as long as someone can get fucoidan to me as conveniently and economically as possible. You said yourself that cost concerned you. Well, if you would just share this good news with five people, and every person needs this product, then your costs are offset by the mercantile and greed-laden commissions that The Limu Company is dedicated to paying to anyone that helps get this good news out to the world! Again, the pharmaceutical companies could learn a lot about marketing their products from The Limu Company, but they simply do not have a product like Original Limu. They have to sell their products in a carefully regulated industry because their products are so dangerous; they are not just simply good ole food like Original Limu.
Now, what makes Original Limu special you ask? And, you would not be able to ask this question unless you knew Original Limu existed. And, I cannot spend time like this writing a response to you unless I get compensated. Therefore, if I did not “spam” as you seem to be alleging about me, we would not be conducting this fantastic conversation and people would still be sick and without hope! Original Limu is special in the diverse benefits people enjoy by having their bodies start working right again and fixing the problems due to the abuse inflicted upon them by the Western culture. We treat our cars and our homes and our clothing with far, far greater regard than we treat our over-stressed and under-rested and poorly fed and badly nurtured bodies.
Other benefits are that you can rub Original Limu into the body in regards to helping relieve pain, even deep-seated pain from reports I have heard first hand. You can help abrasions and cuts and probably even bruises heal more quickly when applied topically – not to the replacement, of course, of internal consumption. I would also much rather squirt Original Limu or some dilution of it into my nasal passages when I have an infection in the upper back of my throat that can’t be touched by gargling than try to stick through my nose some raw seaweed. I also would rather place droplets of Original Limu or some dilution thereof into my infected eyes or ears instead of again raw seaweed. Wouldn’t you?
Now, finally, regarding concentration, you can view an analytical report on this subject at the following website: http://www.limu-analysis.com/ . Hey, these laboratories pulled out yet another name that you have not yet revealed to me: Phaeophyceae (brown algae).
Now, Lar, I cannot compete with you in this being your area of expertise. Surely you have much yet to refute in my arguments. But, believe me, I cannot live without Original Limu or I would be living with constant throbbing pain in right arm which surgery failed to relieve. Also, Lar, I, not even knowing about seaweed, at first thought that this was the ultimate scam, a company putting on a joke of getting people to sell seaweed (this is before I knew anything about it being a sophisticated extract, unlike products like Sea Vegg). Then people told me that the key ingredient was a sulphated polysaccharide and my first thought is that this company was trying to push on an unsuspecting public a real scam of simple sugar water! I tried at first to tell the person who told me about it not to be taken in by it or taken in by the multitude of other products advertised on radio, the Internet, in forums, in infomercials, etc. etc. I was undoubtedly a far greater skeptic (even a scoffer) than you ever thought about being in that I was ignorant and not a specialist like you.I don’t know if I convinced you in any way, but you have certainly not deterred me obviously in anyway. In fact, if you will just get on the product yourself along with your whole family and dog, you will thank me later for “spamming,” because you would still be lost and apart from this spectacular food. But, also realize that I am thankful for your careful and thoughtful posting in trying to educate this old chemist and would love to get to know you better by coaching you on how to get the most out of Original Limu and also by learning more about these miraculous treasures of the sea. Be blessed.
Thorp
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