Posted by Declan on June 23, 2006, at 20:28:00
In reply to The Control Agenda » Declan, posted by pseudoname on June 23, 2006, at 15:45:14
The only mixed agonist/antagonist I've taken is Fortral (pentazocine), which ranked above codeine and dihydrocodeine and below everything else. My guess as to whether bupe is euphoragenic or not to the opiate naive or experienced (what a tangle that is)......probably better for those who've never tried opiates? This is leaving to one side the relief in the difficulty of acquisition.
Well, I simply made that up, that thing about OTC narcotics not being abused before the early 60s, so you are right to be sceptical. The pattern of abuse would have been more isolated perhaps, and more well behaved. Society was more conformist and ordered then? (OTOH I didn't make that up about opium being sold in Greengrocers in the UK before whenever....I read it in Auberon Waugh's column in The Spectator 25 years ago)
Still, you would agree, if narcotics were available OTC now, the situation would be uncontrollable? So there is some kind of difference.Take the pattern of mental illnesses. I assume there really were cases of hysteria and catatonia, which seem to indicate the only withdrawal possible from pointless and compelling duty. (Maybe not?) The heirarchies of God, Church, King, landed families, fathers etc were more intact. (When we were kids one of the things we talked about was what to be when you grew up. Saint was at the top, and then King, Archbishop of Canterbury (no Pope for us), Prime Minister.)
All the terrible things of the C20 used duty as a motivator. Noone really enjoyed DOING those things, but they seem to have believed it was neccessary. (I think we're just batty)
The effort to control all bad feeligs and increase good ones will be self defeating, surely, resulting in more misery. All spiritual and psychological systems emphasise acceptance. You reckon?
Declan
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