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Posted by spriggy on September 17, 2005, at 15:56:44
Disclaimer: The views expressed by Spriggy do not represent the views of other Christians or minister's wives.. ROFL
I hesitate to even share this because I'm afraid of how these type of things portray Christians. But in reality, even though I am a Christian, there is so much hypocrisy and judgemental attitudes from the Christian community, that I, myself, understand why some have such a sour taste.My husband was a pastor at a church for 5 years- we started as Youth minister's and moved on later to adult/Associate ministry.
The music leader of the church, I'll call her Mrs. "J", became a friend to me (or so I thought). We worked together in Women's Ministries, she claimed to love me, be like a "mom" to me, etc..
When we got a new senior pastor (head pastor) at the church, the entire church turned inside out. This man came in and had no desire or compassion for the people in his care. He came to this church because it's a big church in the community and has a "name." I believe with all my heart this was just his way of getting a name for himself. He constantly focused on "tithes" and practically begged/swindled our congregation for as much money as he could get out of them. He even said once to us (staff), " just think guys, the more people we can bring in, the more money we can bring in."
He never showed any care or concern for the needs of the people-- just concerns for their pocket books.
My husband eventually could not participate or support this stuff anymore. He had to stand up and say, "This is wrong! This is not a business, it's a church."
Because he did that, he was labeled a "troublemaker" and had to leave his position.
Since we have left (in May), over 100 people have left- not because of "us" but because they also saw what was really going on.
Okay, I digress.
I said all that to say, today one of the former church member's called to tell me that mrs. "J", the music minister, is going around reminding people that *I* am "crazy and mentally disturbed" in her attempt to discredit my husband and the stand he made.
I just felt like this was such a low blow. Especially from someone that claimed to have loved me at one time. She is telling people I had to be *put* in the mental ward (which isn't true, I voluntarily went because of akathasia due to Lexapro). She's also reminding people that I have a family history of "crazy" (actually, bipolar and my doctor insists that bp is not "crazy").
And forgive me for saying this (because I know this is not exactly nice or Christian like) but I need to rant a little...
Even if I *am* crazy... Crazy is not a choice, however being a B*tch is.
There.. I feel better now.
Thanks for listening.
Posted by lynn970 on September 17, 2005, at 16:26:44
In reply to I am so hurt.... just venting..., posted by spriggy on September 17, 2005, at 15:56:44
Spriggy, Doesnt it hurt the most when "christians" hurt you? Hold your head up high. I refused to go to a church for the same reason you mentioned about that pastor. I really felt deep in my spirit that something was just not right. Later, I was proven to be correct.
Keep your eyes on Jesus. The whole world may let you down, but He never will. When I first became a christian, my family kept saying, "Yea, Look at Jimmy Swaggart." I said, "Yea, God already knows about Jimmy Swaggart. When I stand before him, I cannot use that as an excuse."
You have the gift of intercession and prophecy. You know that you hear from God.
Do you remember the garden of gethsemene? (misspelled) Jesus thought about the cross and the fact that the father would look upon Him as sin? Jesus was in such distress, (anxiety) that He sweet great drops of blood. Someone once told me that by his stripes I am healed and by what he did in the garden, he healed mental illness.
I always said, "If you spit in the air, it will land on your nose." The lady who is going around talking about you needs to be ware, the spit could land on her nose.
(((((Spriggy)))))
Posted by spriggy on September 17, 2005, at 16:30:49
In reply to Re: I am so hurt.... just venting..., posted by lynn970 on September 17, 2005, at 16:26:44
Thank you for that. I needed to hear all of that!
You are a real encouragement to me and I'm so glad you've found your way here.. You know "here", with all of us "crazies." ROFL
Well, at least I'm in good company! :)
Posted by Phil on September 17, 2005, at 16:45:32
In reply to I am so hurt.... just venting..., posted by spriggy on September 17, 2005, at 15:56:44
There's a paragraph or two in CS Lewis' "Mere Christianity" that speaks to that sort of thing.
Sounds like a few of those folks could benefit from reading it.
The chapter dealing with pride about sums it up.
Posted by lynn970 on September 17, 2005, at 17:50:54
In reply to Re: I am so hurt.... just venting... » spriggy, posted by Phil on September 17, 2005, at 16:45:32
Hey Spriggy,
Not to change the subject, but my husband saw the pictures of you. He said that you are very pretty. I said it first. I bet Mrs. "J" isnt pretty like you. LoL.
Posted by spriggy on September 17, 2005, at 18:05:50
In reply to Re: I am so hurt.... just venting..., posted by lynn970 on September 17, 2005, at 17:50:54
I doubt my husband will allow me to send it, but regardless, it felt good to "write."
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It's been brought to my attention (through a few people) that while talking with you about their concern’s for the Church, you feel the need to say that *I* am not mentally well.
In fact, it's as if you are trying to discredit Josh (and me, or both of us likely) by implying that I am "crazy." Apparently, you even discredited that I have a physical illness and that this is all "in my head."
Since I don't believe it's possible to create false laboratory tests, if you would like to see my recent lab results (that reveal "proof" of my physical illness), I have no problem sharing them with you. However, I would appreciate it greatly if you would refrain from mentioning anything about my physical or mental health to anyone, since it's clearly none of your business (and you have no idea what you are talking about).
It also seems that from all that we have heard about the "code of ethics" for ministers, that by speaking about me (and my husband the way that you have been repeatedly) you are breaching the ethical guidelines that you signed. I am sure the District network has your signed copy available to anyone who would like to see your signature. ( side note: She keeps handing out copies of my husband's signature on this code of ethics, LOL)
I also imagine that Our District Superintendent might take personal offense that you label people as "crazy" that have a struggle with depression considering his wife also struggles in that area. And quite possibly, it's even a bit hypocritical of you to speak of me in that way, when you yourself have had to be on medication for depression (to which I have never taken the “authority” to share with other’s).
It’s a shame. You were supposed to be my friend and should’ve been an example to me, it’s too bad you turned out to be neither.
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*slaps hands together*
THere... I feel all better now. ROFL
Posted by spriggy on September 17, 2005, at 18:08:20
In reply to my letter to Mrs J.. this was cathartic, posted by spriggy on September 17, 2005, at 18:05:50
Posted by Phillipa on September 17, 2005, at 18:36:17
In reply to my letter to Mrs J.. this was cathartic, posted by spriggy on September 17, 2005, at 18:05:50
Spriggy, now I know why you posted that Thead on the other Board. And you are one of the saniest people I know. And if you have the nerve call her on the phone and tell her. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by wildcard on September 17, 2005, at 22:25:48
In reply to I am so hurt.... just venting..., posted by spriggy on September 17, 2005, at 15:56:44
Hey Spriggy! I know that hurt u but she showed HER true self and i'm sure most know YOUR true self so speaking from a mature and level headed standpoint, i wld. not acknowlegde her. Now speaking from another *crazy*, i'd tell the b*tch what i thought ; )
Regardless, u know who u are and she obviously needs to find a life.
Posted by sleepygirl on September 17, 2005, at 22:34:10
In reply to I am so hurt.... just venting..., posted by spriggy on September 17, 2005, at 15:56:44
I'm so sorry. Unfortunately there are people in this world who will say anything to discredit and devalue others to support their own point of view (however distorted it may be). It's quite disgusting actually and I feel your anger. The "christian attitude" has evidently flown right out the window as far as this nasty woman is concerned. You know what you believe in. You know you are a rational, perceptive, sensitive woman. She is misled and misleading, and she can go scratch. :-)
Posted by JenStar on September 17, 2005, at 23:03:57
In reply to I am so hurt.... just venting..., posted by spriggy on September 17, 2005, at 15:56:44
hi Spriggy,
that woman IS a bee-otch! (Is that OK to say here???)There is nothing Christian about slandering a person whom you called a friend. What she did -- spreading untruths about you -- is cruel and low. She is not worthy of the position she carries.
Luckily, it sounds like many people recognize the bad attitudes and bad behaviors that the pastor had, and hopefully would recognize the same in her.
I'm so sorry you had to deal with that. The woman just sounds MEAN. Spriggy, you're a dear soul, a caring person...and I'm so sorry that this woman is making you hurt. :(
There are lots of wonderful Christians in the world. I'm sorry she is not one of them. :(
JenStar
Posted by crazy teresa on September 18, 2005, at 3:28:25
In reply to Re: I am so hurt.... just venting... » spriggy, posted by JenStar on September 17, 2005, at 23:03:57
you could send her a bang letter. You take a plain piece of paper and write BANG on it really big with your left hand (use your right if you're left handed). Address the envelope the same way (no return address.) Mail it from the next town. When she opens it, in our crazy minds, it explodes and she does too! ROFL!!!
crazy t
Posted by spriggy on September 18, 2005, at 16:44:25
In reply to If you don't send her the letter, spriggy, posted by crazy teresa on September 18, 2005, at 3:28:25
Posted by crazy teresa on September 18, 2005, at 21:28:01
In reply to Re: working on my bang letter now... LOL (nm) » crazy teresa, posted by spriggy on September 18, 2005, at 16:44:25
Wear your rubber gloves so they can't lift your prints, and don't use your own spit to seal the letter in case they do a DNA test. Use the dog's! ROFL!!!
OH! Another evil thought for you: Address 2 blank notecards.
#1 to HER with a note that says, "If you refuse to see me again, I'll tell your wife."
#2 to HIM that says, "Thank you for being such a good friend."
Who knew pretending to be evil is so much fun??!!!
Posted by crazy teresa on September 18, 2005, at 21:46:46
In reply to Re: working on my bang letter now... LOL » spriggy, posted by crazy teresa on September 18, 2005, at 21:28:01
Posted by caraher on September 19, 2005, at 11:11:28
In reply to Re: working on my bang letter now... LOL » spriggy, posted by crazy teresa on September 18, 2005, at 21:28:01
Posted by thuso on September 21, 2005, at 23:33:04
In reply to I am so hurt.... just venting..., posted by spriggy on September 17, 2005, at 15:56:44
I don't know you off of this board, but if lynn970 is right and one of your gifts is prophecy...what prophet in the Bible WASN'T considered crazy??? She supposedly follows a book that is full of stories of people doing some pretty insane stuff. Think of how many of the prophets then would have been forcibly put into mental wards today. John the Baptist living in the wilderness and eating bugs? I think so! Isaiah walking naked for three years as a sign from God? I'm pretty darn sure they would have locked him up. And the list goes on and on and on.
You don't seem "crazy" to me at all. You seem pretty down to earth based on your posts here. I've been through some pretty horrible stuff in churches (I doubt you guys would believe how much) and have seen countless people do what this woman is doing to you. She is just proving that you're the stronger and better person.
:-D
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