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Posted by mmcconathy on January 21, 2005, at 19:22:39
I'm not in anyway saying there isnt works from god, god has got me out of many situations.
Isnt it a still small voice.
This trinity stuff is confusing!
Matt
Posted by rayww on January 22, 2005, at 15:59:48
In reply to The Holy Spirit, how do we hear him?, posted by mmcconathy on January 21, 2005, at 19:22:39
We have the opportunity of reading a lot of stuff on the Internet. Some of us have our favorite writers, and others have favorite websites. In most cases it is understood that the one who is writing is a person.
When God speaks to us, whether through scripture or otherwise, He communes as one person to another. We have the right to connect to God through our own channel, rather than through another's belief about Him. When we read the Bible it should be understood that even though a person is writing, God is speaking.
You don't know what I look like, and we don't know what God looks like. Maybe God forgot to introduce Himself? But how much more clear could some things be, than when Jesus tells his disciples that His Father looks like Him. “If you have seen me, you have seen my Father.” http://scriptures.lds.org/query?words=%22seen+the+father%22&search.x=27&search.y=3
There is a place for belief, but it must link to our gut feelings about God. If the whole trinity thing is confusing keep searching until you are at peace with understanding. Wisdom does not betray truth.
God clearly teaches that man is created in His image, that Jesus is His Son. Jesus repeats over and over that we have a Father who lives in Heaven. Jesus showed us how to pray to Our Father in Heaven. He also teaches that the Holy Ghost is a powerful witness.
The night terrors might tell you to give up on yourself, to fear life, or that you have been jipped of truth and happiness, etc.
Once we understand the type of message God is likely to commune to us, it becomes easier to stop and listen, or jump to attention when something "catches" our interest. God believes in your success within the life He has gifted you. He would say you are of infinite worth. He would want you to feel His love.
Think of the last time you felt peace. Was that not God whispering to you? God doesn't always speak in words. There is a whole language out there of feelings, sensations, impressions, and instincts. http://scriptures.lds.org/luke/24/39#39
Our sensitivity to these things is developed in much the same way as our physical body is strengthened with food. We increase our (faith) sensitivity by reading the scriptures, and then trying to pattern our life after the teachings and examples we read about, with The Holy Ghost to guide us along the way. If I could sum it up with two words, I would say,
"It's real"Mental disorders are also real. Many of us are troubled with them, so to balance real with real is the quest. I believe there is balance in the heart of nature, that through the gradual unfolding of understanding and wisdom, man gently presses toward that center of existence where he can feel a one-ness to God. To exist in rhythm with nature while surviving in a world of turmoil brings a peace that as we conquer this amazing maze, can enjoy. The purpose of life is to figure this out.
Posted by Buckeye Fan on January 23, 2005, at 6:47:33
In reply to The Holy Spirit, how do we hear him?, posted by mmcconathy on January 21, 2005, at 19:22:39
Dear Matt,
The Bible teaches that Jesus promised us a Comforter after He ascended to Heaven.Joh 14:16
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;The Holy Spirit dwells within our hearts after we become born-again.
He is God....so He "speaks" to us in many different ways.
The Bible...other believers...circumstances..and answered prayer, just to name a few.Seek the Lord in prayer....and ask The Spirit to lead you. its as simple as that.
Also...dont try and figure out the Trinity.
I have found that God is too big and too Awesome
to "totally" figure out and understand.
Just take comfort in the fact that He exists...
He cares about you...and He will not turn a deaf ear to those who call upon Him.Seek Him with all your heart...He will not hide from you.
BF
Posted by rayww on January 23, 2005, at 16:23:58
In reply to Re: The Holy Spirit, how do we hear him?, posted by Buckeye Fan on January 23, 2005, at 6:47:33
Nothing is ever quite as simple as it sounds is it.
Posted by Buckeye Fan on January 23, 2005, at 17:00:21
In reply to Re: The Holy Spirit, how do we hear him? » Buckeye Fan, posted by rayww on January 23, 2005, at 16:23:58
> Nothing is ever quite as simple as it sounds is it.
2Co 1:12
For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in Simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward.2Co 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the Simplicity that is in Christ.Jas 1:5
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.BF
Posted by rayww on January 23, 2005, at 23:17:16
In reply to Re: The Holy Spirit, how do we hear him?, posted by Buckeye Fan on January 23, 2005, at 17:00:21
http://scriptures.lds.org/query?words=james+1%3A5&scripturesearch_button=Search
James 1:5 is what drove a young boy to vocal prayer, and because of it, a whole religion was restored. But it doesn't stop there. Every single person who has ever or ever will live has equal opportunity to receive divine wisdom from the Lord.
The other day I opened my scriptues thinking I might find direction and the first verse I read was glorious. When you find such a verse, specifically meant for the day, it hits the bulls-eye of your understanding. I can't explain it, but it is real, the force and power and spirit with which it enters your soul lets you know it was a communication from God. To the question posed, "The Holy Ghost, how can we hear him" , I would say this is one way.
>>2Co 1:12
For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in Simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward.<<The Gospel of Jesus Christ was meant to be pure and simple, easy to understand and comprehend, and God was not supposed to be a mystery.
>>2Co 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the Simplicity that is in Christ.<<This says that any subtilty that takes one away from the simplicity that is in the gospel of Jesus Christ is corrupt.
Posted by mmcconathy on January 24, 2005, at 14:53:50
In reply to Re: The Holy Spirit, how do we hear him? » Buckeye Fan, posted by rayww on January 23, 2005, at 23:17:16
I have heard the holy spirit before, many times he has helped me in distress.
First time i actually follwed it, was when I was lost, working for my dad's law office taking court documents to the court. I kept missing the highway and then drove to some timbucktu, totally lost! I thought i was going to have to turn ALL the way back and return to Ft. Worth(city near dallas), but this inner feeling said, stop go straight and then turn right, i did, thinking i was just going to get more lost, but when i finished i was back on the highway that i was suppost to, when i got on it, i billboard sign said "trust me" with a cross, some kind of inspiration thing my a local church, but it was a stange coincidence. I know it sounds feeble, something extreme people would say, but all i can say is it happened, trust me.
But after this i tried to seek his voice more, but i could not find it, in troubles i got mad and yelled "deserter!".
It will just randomly pop up when i dont expect it.
There has been many other times when i have seen him work, but i have to go now, i do realize the difference.
I pray that i will get closer.
God Bless
Matt
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 24, 2005, at 19:21:03
In reply to Re: The Holy Spirit, how do we hear him? » Buckeye Fan, posted by rayww on January 23, 2005, at 23:17:16
> 2Co 11:3
> But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the Simplicity that is in Christ.
>
> Buckeye Fan> This says that any subtilty that takes one away from the simplicity that is in the gospel of Jesus Christ is corrupt.
>
> raywwSorry, but please don't put down the beliefs of others. Even if you're posting a quote.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by not2late4u on January 31, 2005, at 3:01:13
In reply to The Holy Spirit, how do we hear him?, posted by mmcconathy on January 21, 2005, at 19:22:39
Hello, I was thinking that another way to hear from Him is by having less of the world in us. The more we renew our minds and do not conform to this world, the closer we are to Him. Also, He asks us to "Be still and know He is God". How often are we really being still, to listen for and to Him. How much of the talking are we doing? So many times I've ignored that small still voice to do or not to do something. Ya know what, I pay the price when I ignore it! It sometimes seems for me the harder I want to hear from Him, the less likely I am. However, He sure has shown himself in my desparate times. One example, I was suffering terribly from a panic attack at work. I was alone in the nurses room, crying out to God to show me something that I needed to know He was with me and Im gonna be ok. He said, yes I heard this in my head, not audible with ears, "yeah tho I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me Lord" Well, me being a new christian and all, I've heard that verse read at funerals! So I thought OH great, does that mean Im dying! (I know its ok to laugh). But then a christian friend finally was able to come down to see me and she explained it to me. So, I researched that scripture to get the full meaning of it. Anyways, Im rambling and time for bed, God bless all of you. Renee
Posted by Greenhornet on February 18, 2005, at 11:14:41
In reply to Re: The Holy Spirit, how do we hear him?, posted by Buckeye Fan on January 23, 2005, at 6:47:33
If you want a really complete theological answer go to
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07409a.htm
The Catholic Encyclopedia. Even for non-Catholics it is an incredible site
hornet
Posted by Greenhornet on February 18, 2005, at 11:18:25
In reply to Re: The Holy Spirit, how do we hear him?, posted by Buckeye Fan on January 23, 2005, at 6:47:33
> Dear Matt,
> The Bible teaches that Jesus promised us a Comforter after He ascended to Heaven.
>
> Joh 14:16
> And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
>
> The Holy Spirit dwells within our hearts after we become born-again.
> He is God....so He "speaks" to us in many different ways.
> The Bible...other believers...circumstances..and answered prayer, just to name a few.
>
> Seek the Lord in prayer....and ask The Spirit to lead you. its as simple as that.
>
> Also...dont try and figure out the Trinity.
> I have found that God is too big and too Awesome
> to "totally" figure out and understand.
> Just take comfort in the fact that He exists...
> He cares about you...and He will not turn a deaf ear to those who call upon Him.
>
> Seek Him with all your heart...He will not hide from you.
>
> BF
Hey BF
Good answer.
I am a transplanted Buckeye
"..........We'll cheer you as you go..
Our honor defend, we will fight to the end
for O-HIO
Posted by Greenhornet on February 18, 2005, at 11:30:04
In reply to Re: please be civil » Buckeye Fan » rayww, posted by Dr. Bob on January 24, 2005, at 19:21:03
> > 2Co 11:3
> > But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the Simplicity that is in Christ.
> >
> > Buckeye Fan
>
> > This says that any subtilty that takes one away from the simplicity that is in the gospel of Jesus Christ is corrupt.
> >
> > rayww
>
> Sorry, but please don't put down the beliefs of others. Even if you're posting a quote.
>
> If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
>
> Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
>
> Thanks,
>
> BobOh oh, I should have warned you ... your are all right on this site unless you state the core,
central, belief on which Christianity rests,,,then you are "offending" or putting someone's faith down.
Could we also clarify the difference between the words FAITH and RELIGION. My faith is WHAT I believe is true or belief in the traditions/doctrins of a RELIGION.
RELIGIONS on the other hand are ie: Christianity, Judiasim, Taoism, Shinto, animism, wicca, Hinduism, Zoroasterism,worship of fire hydrants,
Gosh I hope I didn't leave one out and offend someone.
Posted by rayww on February 18, 2005, at 13:23:09
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by Greenhornet on February 18, 2005, at 11:30:04
do you consider mine a religion?
Posted by Greenhornet on February 18, 2005, at 15:44:43
In reply to feel left out » Greenhornet, posted by rayww on February 18, 2005, at 13:23:09
> do you consider mine a religion?
Please be a bit more specific your what and what do you call it? GH
Posted by Mark H. on February 18, 2005, at 19:48:32
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by Greenhornet on February 18, 2005, at 11:30:04
Greenhornet wrote:
> RELIGIONS on the other hand are ie: Christianity, Judiasim, Taoism, Shinto, animism, wicca, Hinduism, Zoroasterism,worship of fire hydrants,
> Gosh I hope I didn't leave one out and offend someone.Hi Greenhornet,
No offense taken. I'm just amused that the "spot" my religion might have appeared in was taken up with "worship of fire hydrants." :-)
Best wishes,
Mark H.
Posted by rayww on February 20, 2005, at 0:39:55
In reply to Re: feel left out » rayww, posted by Greenhornet on February 18, 2005, at 15:44:43
> > do you consider mine a religion?
>
>
> Please be a bit more specific your what and what do you call it? GH
>
>I am a total believer and follower of Jesus Christ, which would put me in the category of Christian. I belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Some call us Mormons, but then some also call Fundamentalists and Polygamists Mormons, so to be more specific I have included the following link to explain who is and who isn't a Mormon.
http://lds.org/newsroom/page/0,15606,4043-1---15-168,00.htmlDo you consider mine a religion?
Posted by greenhornet on February 20, 2005, at 11:07:47
In reply to Re: feel left out » Greenhornet, posted by rayww on February 20, 2005, at 0:39:55
> > > do you consider mine a religion?
> >
> >
> > Please be a bit more specific your what and what do you call it? GH
> >
> >
>
> I am a total believer and follower of Jesus Christ, which would put me in the category of Christian. I belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Some call us Mormons, but then some also call Fundamentalists and Polygamists Mormons, so to be more specific I have included the following link to explain who is and who isn't a Mormon.
> http://lds.org/newsroom/page/0,15606,4043-1---15-168,00.html
>
> Do you consider mine a religion?Again sorry to ave left you out. Yes I consider Mormonism a religion. hornet
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 20, 2005, at 13:40:47
In reply to Re: The Holy Spirit, how do we hear him?, posted by Greenhornet on February 18, 2005, at 11:14:41
> http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07409a.htm
The above includes:
> The essential points of the dogma may be resumed in the following propositions...
>
> Such is the belief the Catholic faith demands.The idea here is to support others and not to pressure them to adopt your beliefs or to put them down for having theirs. Sorry, but this may mean not posting some aspects of some beliefs.
If you or others have questions about this, please see these specific examples:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020918/msgs/7889.html
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by greenhornet on February 20, 2005, at 14:54:54
In reply to Re: please be supportive » Greenhornet, posted by Dr. Bob on February 20, 2005, at 13:40:47
> > http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07409a.htm
>
> The above includes:
>
> > The essential points of the dogma may be resumed in the following propositions...
> >
> > Such is the belief the Catholic faith demands.
>
> The idea here is to support others and not to pressure them to adopt your beliefs or to put them down for having theirs. Sorry, but this may mean not posting some aspects of some beliefs.
>
> If you or others have questions about this, please see these specific examples:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020918/msgs/7889.html
>
> Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
Dr. Bob,
I was merely providing the best definition I know of for the Holy Spirit. I am certainly not proselytizing.......asking anyone to join my faith. Sorry if it "offended" anyone
GH
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