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Posted by mgrueni on August 5, 2001, at 16:22:18
Ok, ok... for *me*, it is tonight (23:20/11:20PM) ;o)
Hope you are well. :o)
Micha
Posted by PaulB on August 5, 2001, at 17:10:44
In reply to Hi all, how are you tonight?, posted by mgrueni on August 5, 2001, at 16:22:18
> Ok, ok... for *me*, it is tonight (23:20/11:20PM) ;o)
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> Hope you are well. :o)
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> MichaIm having a relaxing sunday evening. I bought a book yesterday that there was some talk about here at psycho-social babble a short while ago called 'the noonday demon' which is one blokes account of his experience with depression. It is well written, so far, and reminds me of another book about a females jouney through depression;'prozac nation'. The strange and harrowing experiences, mention of popular psychotropic drugs as well as other similarities. After finishing reading it I may continue the thread on the book to add my overall impression and views.
PaulB
Posted by Willow on August 5, 2001, at 18:38:11
In reply to Re: Hi all, how are you tonight?, posted by PaulB on August 5, 2001, at 17:10:44
Tired! Back from the beach. All is well as can be under the circumstances. Better once my little ones are sleeping, though I think I may konk out first.
BEST WISHES
Willow
Posted by susan C on August 5, 2001, at 19:06:44
In reply to Hi all, how are you tonight?, posted by mgrueni on August 5, 2001, at 16:22:18
Hi, I am better, much better than I was yesterday (saturday) I got so angry making dinner, I was throwing food around, and this morning and early afternoon (Sunday). I was a combination of very tired and very agitated.
I observed to spouse that I thought maybe the change in routine for weekends made things worse. He suggested he would wake up the same each day. So, the background routine for me would stay the same. I have been trying to figure out why I slept so late today. And why it appears the manic/agitated times are on weekends. So, we will see. When I feel like this it is so much better and I almost forget what it is like when things are tough.
I hope you are feeling OK.
> Ok, ok... for *me*, it is tonight (23:20/11:20PM) ;o)
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> Hope you are well. :o)
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> Micha
Posted by Kristi on August 6, 2001, at 0:05:55
In reply to Re: Hi all, how are you tonight?, posted by Willow on August 5, 2001, at 18:38:11
Willow,
Everytime you mention the beach, I get so nostaglic. I envy you being close to the beach. I'm in the desert.... not much water around. Just yesterday.. a friend and I were on my back porch sunbathing... with the radio on no station, just static, trying to emaluate the sound of waves. How pathetic. But it was a good try!
I don't know why I felt to share that... but i did. Take care...
> Tired! Back from the beach. All is well as can be under the circumstances. Better once my little ones are sleeping, though I think I may konk out first.
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> BEST WISHES
> Willow
Posted by mgrueni on August 6, 2001, at 8:47:13
In reply to Re: Hi all, how are you tonight?, posted by PaulB on August 5, 2001, at 17:10:44
< I bought a book yesterday that there was some talk about here at psycho-social babble a short while ago called 'the noonday demon' which is one blokes account of his experience with depression. It is well written, so far, and reminds me of another book about a females jouney through depression;'prozac nation'. The strange and harrowing experiences, mention of popular psychotropic drugs as well as other similarities. >
Ah, you like reading. Good, me too :o)
Micha
Posted by Willow on August 6, 2001, at 8:50:20
In reply to Re: Hi all, how are you tonight?-willow, posted by Kristi on August 6, 2001, at 0:05:55
You'll get your turn. The temperature can turn to freezing in August. If it stays warm enough to swim this month it is a bonus. Sometimes we can't start until July. We've had snow in June and my shoes got soaked. Most nights I wear long johns.
Winter comes fairly early, I'll let you know once the snow begins to fly. Even having said all this winter is my favourite season. But I really like spring and the fall, and summer isn't so bad. Oh it is hard to choose!
Are you in Arizona? I would like to have the umph to go rock climbing there.
BEST WISHES
Willow
Posted by mgrueni on August 6, 2001, at 8:55:33
In reply to Re: Hi all, how are you tonight?, posted by Willow on August 5, 2001, at 18:38:11
< Tired! Back from the beach. All is well as can be under the circumstances. Better once my little ones are sleeping, though I think I may konk out first. >
Beach? Does that mean "water"?
Woe! I got up with a sore throat this morning and I feel like I caught a cold.< self pity mode >
*sneeze!!!!*, *cough, cough*...:o(
< /self pity mode >Micha
(any comments like "poor Micha, you have all my sympathy" are very welcome) :o)
Posted by mgrueni on August 6, 2001, at 9:01:41
In reply to Re: Hi all, how are you tonight?, posted by susan C on August 5, 2001, at 19:06:44
< Hi, I am better, much better than I was yesterday (saturday) I got so angry making dinner, I was throwing food around >
Oh, how come? Don`t you like cooking?
< I observed to spouse that I thought maybe the change in routine for weekends made things worse. >
Yes, perhaps. Many couples argue most when they are on holidays as there is *no escape* from each other.
< I hope you are feeling OK. >Thanks, and same to you. :o)
Micha
Posted by susan C on August 6, 2001, at 11:32:19
In reply to Re: Hi all, how are you tonight? » susan C, posted by mgrueni on August 6, 2001, at 9:01:41
How come, don't I like cooking?
When I feel good, I love to cook, when I feel bad I am sad I can't cook
When I 'get in these moods' I do too much, start getting overwhelmed and I get angry. I was stirring the fried rice and so frustrated, I think I might have just thrown it all over if I didn't know I would have to have cleaned it all up. As it was I had to clean up some.
Sometimes when this 'manic' happens and I am doing too much, my spouse takes me puts me in a chair, or I go lay down and he says what do you want me to do. It is very hard for me to tell him what I need.
Sometimes he calls to check in and says I am at the store, do you need anything, and I cant think. He asks a question and I can't think of an answer. I am on depakote and Keppra (new) and I wonder if this lack of verbal has come with both...I can't remember if I had this challange when I was depressed/manic before I started depakote.
Now I am afraid to stop taking meds to try something else. See 'clash of the titans'Post.
Thanks for asking about me. Writing and reading these posts help me clarify my thinking.
> < Hi, I am better, much better than I was yesterday (saturday) I got so angry making dinner, I was throwing food around >
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> Oh, how come? Don`t you like cooking?
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> < I observed to spouse that I thought maybe the change in routine for weekends made things worse. >
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> Yes, perhaps. Many couples argue most when they are on holidays as there is *no escape* from each other.
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> < I hope you are feeling OK. >
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> Thanks, and same to you. :o)
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> Micha
Posted by Kristi on August 6, 2001, at 13:25:10
In reply to Kristi ... » Kristi, posted by Willow on August 6, 2001, at 8:50:20
Willow,
Good for you!! I guess I probably wouldn't like where your at.... I moved from my place of birth because of the snow.
Close........ I'm in southern nevada. Rock climbing is excellent!!!!
Where are you that it gets cold that soon?
> You'll get your turn. The temperature can turn to freezing in August. If it stays warm enough to swim this month it is a bonus. Sometimes we can't start until July. We've had snow in June and my shoes got soaked. Most nights I wear long johns.
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> Winter comes fairly early, I'll let you know once the snow begins to fly. Even having said all this winter is my favourite season. But I really like spring and the fall, and summer isn't so bad. Oh it is hard to choose!
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> Are you in Arizona? I would like to have the umph to go rock climbing there.
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> BEST WISHES
> Willow
Posted by Willow on August 6, 2001, at 14:07:23
In reply to Re: Kristi ..., posted by Kristi on August 6, 2001, at 13:25:10
I'll have to look up Nevada in the atlas. I think Arizona is near California. Nevada? Las Vegas? Now that is a desert.
I'm about a third of the way up Ontario. On a map it looks fairly close to the Quebec border. With global warming it has been getting somewhat warmer or perhaps we should blame the "El Nino" things.
Right now I can't wait for Jack Frost! We had a record high yesterday of 33c. Ouch!
Burning Willow
Posted by Kristi on August 6, 2001, at 14:20:16
In reply to Re: Kristi ..., posted by Willow on August 6, 2001, at 14:07:23
Wow........ what a difference in weather. Good thing your a cold weather willow.
Yes, you hit it in the nose. Las Vegas. We also border Arizona.... in fact the border itself is about 20 minutes away.
Canada... never been there. Well, Niagra falls but that probably doesn't count.
I guess I'm not suprised you say it's been warmer. I think it's been that way all over the world......
> I'll have to look up Nevada in the atlas. I think Arizona is near California. Nevada? Las Vegas? Now that is a desert.
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> I'm about a third of the way up Ontario. On a map it looks fairly close to the Quebec border. With global warming it has been getting somewhat warmer or perhaps we should blame the "El Nino" things.
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> Right now I can't wait for Jack Frost! We had a record high yesterday of 33c. Ouch!
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> Burning Willow
Posted by Willow on August 6, 2001, at 14:23:16
In reply to Re: Hi all, how are you tonight? » Willow, posted by mgrueni on August 6, 2001, at 8:55:33
There is a commercial on our television here in Canada, where a giant baby boy is walking upstairs with a steaming cup. He enters a bedroom door and a woman's voice says, "Big baby!" Now whenever someone does a whine, especially members of the other sex, I say, "Poor Big Baby!"
The beach is a ten minute walk from my house. The sun rises up behind it so I can get shade during the hottest part of the day. The shore is a soft beige sand, the water is fairly shallow, and the odd time you can see little schools of minnows swim by. The water gradually deepens and cools as it does. On windy days like today the waves actually form little white caps. The children love to jump in them. For me it means water up the nose. The sun sets on the other side of the bay, painting the sky wonderful pastel colours which vary. At the night, it becomes deserted and when the sky is clear the stars seem close. I find it relaxing listening to water tap on the shore and the breeze always seems cooler at the beach.
Any beaches near your house, Micha?
Willow
Posted by mgrueni on August 6, 2001, at 15:56:37
In reply to Poor baby, Micha!, posted by Willow on August 6, 2001, at 14:23:16
< There is a commercial on our television here in Canada, where a giant baby boy is walking upstairs with a steaming cup. He enters a bedroom door and a woman's voice says, "Big baby!" >
Interesting. What is the commercial for? Coffee? Cup noodles? Condomes? :o)
< The beach is a ten minute walk from my house. The sun rises up behind it so I can get shade during the hottest part of the day >Only 10 minutes away? I bet you can watch wonderful sunsets from your window. Sounds lovely.
(I hope you can´t detect any jealousy between the lines... I am trying my best to hide that back from you!) ;o)< Any beaches near your house, Micha? >
I would rather call it a *stream*. But sometimes, on early mornings I can watch some of my animal-neighbours from my kitchen window. Mother-duck with 4 babies paddling along, or a heron, looking for it`s breakfast. Not so bad :o)
Micha
Posted by mgrueni on August 6, 2001, at 16:18:07
In reply to Re: Hi all, how are you tonight?, posted by susan C on August 6, 2001, at 11:32:19
< When I feel good, I love to cook, when I feel bad I am sad I can't cook >
Yes, for me, cooking is sort of *meditation* and I would also get angry if I find myself unable to cook. (not only because that would mean, I had to eat what my partner cooks) ;o)
< When I 'get in these moods' I do too much, start getting overwhelmed and I get angry. >Reminds me of myself when I am at work. Sometimes I find myself doing 3 things at once before I realize that this is too much for me and I better stopped and have a cigarette before I go on.
< Sometimes when this 'manic' happens and I am doing too much, my spouse takes me puts me in a chair, or I go lay down and he says what do you want me to do. It is very hard for me to tell him what I need. >When I get angry (ok, let´s call it *hysteric*), exactly the same happens. I don´t know why, but in such moments, I want him to care *and* don´t want him to care, because I find it too complicated to tell him what I want. I sometimes wish, he could read my mind, so I did not need to *say* anything. But there is something, which usually never fails to make me calm down. A nice back massage! Have you ever tried that? It might take you some effort to *train* him in how to give a good massage, but it`s worth that, believe me! :o)
< Thanks for asking about me. Writing and reading these posts help me clarify my thinking. >
It`s sort of *diary*, isn`t it? Just a diary which responses to you sometimes. :o)
Take care,Micha
Posted by susan C on August 6, 2001, at 18:34:24
In reply to Re: Hi all, how are you tonight? » susan C, posted by mgrueni on August 6, 2001, at 16:18:07
Thank you, < hug > I will try to add the massage thing.
Sometimes My partner and I dream part of the same dream, why can't he always read my mind when we are awake?
> < When I feel good, I love to cook, when I feel bad I am sad I can't cook >
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> Yes, for me, cooking is sort of *meditation* and I would also get angry if I find myself unable to cook. (not only because that would mean, I had to eat what my partner cooks) ;o)
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> < When I 'get in these moods' I do too much, start getting overwhelmed and I get angry. >
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> Reminds me of myself when I am at work. Sometimes I find myself doing 3 things at once before I realize that this is too much for me and I better stopped and have a cigarette before I go on.
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> < Sometimes when this 'manic' happens and I am doing too much, my spouse takes me puts me in a chair, or I go lay down and he says what do you want me to do. It is very hard for me to tell him what I need. >
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> When I get angry (ok, let´s call it *hysteric*), exactly the same happens. I don´t know why, but in such moments, I want him to care *and* don´t want him to care, because I find it too complicated to tell him what I want. I sometimes wish, he could read my mind, so I did not need to *say* anything. But there is something, which usually never fails to make me calm down. A nice back massage! Have you ever tried that? It might take you some effort to *train* him in how to give a good massage, but it`s worth that, believe me! :o)
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> < Thanks for asking about me. Writing and reading these posts help me clarify my thinking. >
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> It`s sort of *diary*, isn`t it? Just a diary which responses to you sometimes. :o)
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> Take care,
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> Micha
Posted by Willow on August 6, 2001, at 19:15:21
In reply to Re: Kristi ...-willow, posted by Kristi on August 6, 2001, at 14:20:16
Next time you plan a vacation think of coming up here, the exchange rate is good for you! The closest city is North Bay, they have a website.
I'm doing a search to try and find pictures of my town.
http://rockview.on.ca/
http://www.township.callander.on.ca/
This website (township) if you go to the community profile the first picture is taken from our main street. That is the bay I write about. Further down is a "Callander Tourist Info." The lookout they talk about is right by my house. I'm nestled in a valley.I guess I've saved the best for last:
http://www.greeningbay.com/
The sunsets didn't show up too good on my PC, but you can imagine me standing there.Wish you could be here!
Willow
Posted by Willow on August 6, 2001, at 19:17:44
In reply to Re: Poor baby, Micha! » Willow, posted by mgrueni on August 6, 2001, at 15:56:37
> I would rather call it a *stream*. But sometimes, on early mornings I can watch some of my animal-neighbours from my kitchen window. Mother-duck with 4 babies paddling along, or a heron, looking for it`s breakfast. Not so bad :o)
Sounds like you are here already. Check out my reply to Kristi, I have some links to my little town.Willow
Posted by Willow on August 6, 2001, at 20:07:24
In reply to Re: Hi all, how are you tonight? » susan C, posted by mgrueni on August 6, 2001, at 16:18:07
It's hard to keep track of all the people who touch our lives, but one really stands out in my mind. His name was "Blackie." My husband says all I did for years was talk about him, idolize I guess. I met him personally several months after I had OD.
As a child I had been scared of him, imagine the godfather type. Rumours! Anyway he turned out to be like a grandfather to me in a time I dearly needed one. (Just writing this I realize I fell apart shortly after his death. Sure I mourned, but I did some drastic other things too. Well that's another story.) He taught me how to make a pie crust. It always turned out so good and it was fun to alternate stuffings.
Whenever I messed up, I would ask him what went wrong and he would remind me how to make it. In hindsight I should have wrote it done. Several years after he had passed on the dough wasn't working. The only way to describe what happened after is that I had a bad tantrum. When it was over I was on the kitchen floor sobbing and dough was all over the kitchen.
Weeping Willow
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