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Posted by partlycloudy on July 22, 2004, at 19:55:41
It changed the way I look at the world, every single day. I turn on the t.v. an expect to find a part of the world destroyed. Iraq, the Sudan, Afganistahn, Chechniya, they are all being consumed and the human race is in the same quagmire it was 2 centuries ago. How does this madness end? Is it human nature to ravage each other, take off each others' heads, starve each other? How could I ever want to bring a child into this word? How many generations before have thought the same as I?
I grieve for the coverage on the real news in the war in Iraq.
I grieve for objecitvity in our media.
I grieve for the families who have lost sons, daughters, wives, husbands, mothers and fathers in this war and whose dead are not honoured at least by the coverage of their arrival on home soil, nor their committment to the ground and to g*d.
I greive for the theft of the human face of war.I grew up with my mother turning off the t.v. every time coverage of Viet Nam came on, saying that I didn't have to know about war. Well, I'm afraid I did. Everyone needs to know the human cost of war, anywhere, whether just, by our standards, or not.
War costs human lives and we cannot greive for them properly if they are hidden from view.
Posted by fayeroe on July 22, 2004, at 22:46:04
In reply to I have never stopped thinking about 9-11, posted by partlycloudy on July 22, 2004, at 19:55:41
for you, my dear pc...i've never recovered from 9/11 either. i think about it frequently. i give you this song by Bob Dylan~~~~~
Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masksYou that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets flyLike Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drainYou fasten the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mudYou've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veinsHow much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
Even Jesus would never
Forgive what you doLet me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soulAnd I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand o'er your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead
Posted by yoshimi on July 23, 2004, at 1:39:11
In reply to Re: I have never stopped thinking about 9-11 » partlycloudy, posted by fayeroe on July 22, 2004, at 22:46:04
how do these things happen?
Posted by fayeroe on July 23, 2004, at 6:55:23
In reply to Re: I have never stopped thinking about 9-11, posted by yoshimi on July 23, 2004, at 1:39:11
The song explains it very well, I think. When the people in power, who are truly far removed from the pain and hurt, decide to involve our nation in something that is entirely out of our scope, we suffer. The war in Iraq isn't about punishing the people who caused 9/11 and for that I hurt and grieve.I do agree with Trump on this one. How hard is it to catch someone who is 6'6" and has to have dialysis.. The war in Iraq will never overcome the cultural differences and things will go back to being the way they were when we leave. Leaving would be good but we will be leaving behind over one thousand souls who have died there. I hurt and grieve for their families every day...as I do for all of the people who died on 9/11. I haven't answered your question but this is all I can offer. pat
Posted by Jai Narayan on July 23, 2004, at 9:40:46
In reply to Re: I have never stopped thinking about 9-11 » yoshimi, posted by fayeroe on July 23, 2004, at 6:55:23
Thank you for this post.
The tears jumped in my eyes when I saw that poem "Masters of War".I did EMDR on the 9-11 tragedy.
I too was feeling like there was no future and that travel was dangerous. I was watching it on TV as it unfolded....I was on the floor screaming.
It took me this long to finally work on the trauma.
I just couldn't even touch it till recently.
I hate war.....
I am sad when people misunderstand eachother much less wipe eachother out.
War gives us very few options and choices.Soon we are coming upon the Hiroshima and Nagasaki anniservary....how many years ago....every year this comes up I want to put candles in little paper boats and float them down the river.
I want to bow my head and pray for us to use other means for conflict resolution.Yoshimi, I have no answers for the "why" of war but an abundance of questions.
I still have hope that we can learn and change...
but that hope is dimming.
I too am very sad.
Posted by gardenergirl on July 23, 2004, at 10:05:33
In reply to Re: I have never stopped thinking about 9-11 » partlycloudy, posted by fayeroe on July 22, 2004, at 22:46:04
Thanks for posting that. Dylan is brilliant.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on July 23, 2004, at 10:14:31
In reply to Re: I have never stopped thinking about 9-11, posted by Jai Narayan on July 23, 2004, at 9:40:46
Jai,
When I was visiting Japan, I went to Nagasaki. What a moving experience that was. And surreal, to be a very western looking woman (red hair and very fair skin) among the Japanese, viewing the impact of the bomb from their perspective. Ground zero is a place with such an emotional impact. As was the museum, with all the pictures, stories, artifacts...And Nagasaki itself is a beatiful and wondrous city. It reminded me a lot of San Francisco with its bay and hills. There were even trolleys. But I was most struck by the mixture of 17th century buildings and structures, such as the Spectacle Bridge, a two arch stone bridge which looks like a pair of spectacles with its reflection in the water and post war buildings. It seems like it was either or. Very old or very new. The Spectacle Bridge survived the blast with little more than scorch marks on its stones, which you can still see. Amazing.
gg
Posted by yoshimi on July 23, 2004, at 17:13:46
In reply to Re: I have never stopped thinking about 9-11 » yoshimi, posted by fayeroe on July 23, 2004, at 6:55:23
hi fayeroe,
well i appreciate you writing. this world is so wierd. its nothing like they told me it would be like. i feel so ill-prepared. or was i asleep. somewhere i missed something, and it isnt at all what i thought it would be.
yoshimi
Posted by Jai Narayan on July 25, 2004, at 8:48:18
In reply to Re: I have never stopped thinking about 9-11 » Jai Narayan, posted by gardenergirl on July 23, 2004, at 10:14:31
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