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Posted by 2nd xylophone on December 25, 2009, at 20:40:53
I think it's needed.
I'm thinking my request will fall on deaf ears but am grateful for the chance to express it.I believe it was a smoother forum when it was managed and problem threads were nipped before they grew fangs and claws of their own. Self-regulation with apology waitings and *work it out amoung yourselves* strategies and hopes doesn't appear to be working out so great imo and there's been enough time to test that idea out. OR, could that be what the next research theme is/could be? ;) (jokingly questioned - kind of)
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 26, 2009, at 8:35:29
In reply to Forum management, posted by 2nd xylophone on December 25, 2009, at 20:40:53
> I think it's needed.
> I'm thinking my request will fall on deaf ears but am grateful for the chance to express it.
>
> I believe it was a smoother forum when it was managed and problem threads were nipped before they grew fangs and claws of their own. Self-regulation with apology waitings and *work it out amoung yourselves* strategies and hopes doesn't appear to be working out so great imo and there's been enough time to test that idea out. OR, could that be what the next research theme is/could be? ;) (jokingly questioned - kind of)
>
> 2X,
You wrote,[...deaf...smoother..problem..nipped..fangs and claws..self-regulation..apology..work it out..hopes..next research theme...]
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here by what you posted. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opprtunity to respond accordingly.
A. Are you aware that Mr. Hsiung has issued sanctions and that that could mean that he is managing the board?
B. Have you used the notification system and not received the reply that Mr. Hsiung's TOS states will be done?
C. If so, when did you send the notification?
D. Are you aware that different jurisdictions have different laws concerning as to if an owner of a forum such as this does or does not attend to managing the boards according to statements that are allowed to stand?
E. Are you aware that the deputies also could have the same laws in different jurisdictions applied to them?
F. If you think that there is negligence in the managing of the board, do you see that harm could come from that negligence of the managment of this forum to some others, and that is at least one reason why you innitiated this thread?
G. Could you post more here from your view as to the aspect of Mr. Hsiung's management of this forum in relation to if you see statements here being allowed to stand that could lead a Jew to feel put down/accused?
Lou>
Posted by 2nd xylophone on December 26, 2009, at 9:07:17
In reply to Lou's request-khrmnheg » 2nd xylophone, posted by Lou Pilder on December 26, 2009, at 8:35:29
> A. Are you aware that Mr. Hsiung has issued sanctions and that that could mean that he is managing the board?
Not nearly enough, imo.
> B. Have you used the notification system and not received the reply that Mr. Hsiung's TOS states will be done?
Repeatedly
> C. If so, when did you send the notification?
Various times
> D. Are you aware that different jurisdictions have different laws concerning as to if an owner of a forum such as this does or does not attend to managing the boards according to statements that are allowed to stand?
I'm merely addressing what I believe would make for a smoother forum. You don't need to agree.
> E. Are you aware that the deputies also could have the same laws in different jurisdictions applied to them?
Deputies are few and inactive at this time as I see it.
> F. If you think that there is negligence in the managing of the board, do you see that harm could come from that negligence of the managment of this forum to some others, and that is at least one reason why you innitiated this thread?
Negligence is a big word for what I see. A lack of oversight that USED to happen is what I preceive with threads allowed to snip and snark along. Thrashings can leave deep gashings.
> G. Could you post more here from your view as to the aspect of Mr. Hsiung's management of this forum in relation to if you see statements here being allowed to stand that could lead a Jew to feel put down/accused?
I believe there are behaviours here that could be harmful to anyone without specific regards to faith practices or not.
> Lou
Hi Lou, hope you are well.
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 26, 2009, at 9:48:03
In reply to Re: Lou's request-khrmnheg » Lou Pilder, posted by 2nd xylophone on December 26, 2009, at 9:07:17
> > A. Are you aware that Mr. Hsiung has issued sanctions and that that could mean that he is managing the board?
>
> Not nearly enough, imo.
>
> > B. Have you used the notification system and not received the reply that Mr. Hsiung's TOS states will be done?
>
> Repeatedly
>
> > C. If so, when did you send the notification?
>
> Various times
>
> > D. Are you aware that different jurisdictions have different laws concerning as to if an owner of a forum such as this does or does not attend to managing the boards according to statements that are allowed to stand?
>
> I'm merely addressing what I believe would make for a smoother forum. You don't need to agree.
>
> > E. Are you aware that the deputies also could have the same laws in different jurisdictions applied to them?
>
> Deputies are few and inactive at this time as I see it.
>
> > F. If you think that there is negligence in the managing of the board, do you see that harm could come from that negligence of the managment of this forum to some others, and that is at least one reason why you innitiated this thread?
>
> Negligence is a big word for what I see. A lack of oversight that USED to happen is what I preceive with threads allowed to snip and snark along. Thrashings can leave deep gashings.
>
> > G. Could you post more here from your view as to the aspect of Mr. Hsiung's management of this forum in relation to if you see statements here being allowed to stand that could lead a Jew to feel put down/accused?
>
> I believe there are behaviours here that could be harmful to anyone without specific regards to faith practices or not.
>
>
> > Lou
>
>
> Hi Lou, hope you are well.2X,
You wrote,[...there are behaviors here that could be harmful to anyone...]
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here by {behaviors} that could be harmful.
One way of looking at your use here of that word is in regards to how one conducts themselves. Another is the way a person operates.
As to this forum, if you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. Are you wanting to use the word {behavior} in one way or the other or both or niether?
B. Are youu aware that the time that a post that could lead a Jew to feel put down/accused, or anyone else, is left to stand without posting in the thread where it is innitially posted that irt is uncivil, or that the post is deleted , has been ruled by some jurisdictions to be in direct proportion to the amount of harm done to the person that the statement is directed to?
C. other questionss not stated
Lou
Posted by 2nd xylophone on December 26, 2009, at 9:59:44
In reply to Lou's reply-bhehayve » 2nd xylophone, posted by Lou Pilder on December 26, 2009, at 9:48:03
> A. Are you wanting to use the word {behavior} in one way or the other or both or niether?
Both
> B. Are youu aware that the time that a post that could lead a Jew to feel put down/accused, or anyone else, is left to stand without posting in the thread where it is innitially posted that irt is uncivil, or that the post is deleted , has been ruled by some jurisdictions to be in direct proportion to the amount of harm done to the person that the statement is directed to?
What are these some jurisdictions? Who's doing the ruling of proportions? How is that measured?
> C. other questionss not stated
Impossible to answer questions which aren't stated don't you think?
I've answered your questions and I would appreciate answers to mine directed to you. Answers not questions.
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 26, 2009, at 10:18:24
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-bhehayve » Lou Pilder, posted by 2nd xylophone on December 26, 2009, at 9:59:44
> > A. Are you wanting to use the word {behavior} in one way or the other or both or niether?
>
> Both
>
> > B. Are youu aware that the time that a post that could lead a Jew to feel put down/accused, or anyone else, is left to stand without posting in the thread where it is innitially posted that irt is uncivil, or that the post is deleted , has been ruled by some jurisdictions to be in direct proportion to the amount of harm done to the person that the statement is directed to?
>
> What are these some jurisdictions? Who's doing the ruling of proportions? How is that measured?
>
> > C. other questionss not stated
>
> Impossible to answer questions which aren't stated don't you think?
>
> I've answered your questions and I would appreciate answers to mine directed to you. Answers not questions.
>2X,
You wrote,[...would appreciate answers...] and,[...what are these some jurisdictiuons?...].
One jurisdiction that considers negligence as a tort is Israel. The owner was fined substantially for the negligence in the following link. There is also {criminal negligence} which I will show you later at your request.
Lou
http://www.ibls.com/internet_law_news_portal_view.aspx?id=1789&s=latenews
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 26, 2009, at 10:29:00
In reply to Lou's reply-nhegawrd » 2nd xylophone, posted by Lou Pilder on December 26, 2009, at 10:18:24
> > > A. Are you wanting to use the word {behavior} in one way or the other or both or niether?
> >
> > Both
> >
> > > B. Are youu aware that the time that a post that could lead a Jew to feel put down/accused, or anyone else, is left to stand without posting in the thread where it is innitially posted that irt is uncivil, or that the post is deleted , has been ruled by some jurisdictions to be in direct proportion to the amount of harm done to the person that the statement is directed to?
> >
> > What are these some jurisdictions? Who's doing the ruling of proportions? How is that measured?
> >
> > > C. other questionss not stated
> >
> > Impossible to answer questions which aren't stated don't you think?
> >
> > I've answered your questions and I would appreciate answers to mine directed to you. Answers not questions.
> >
>
> 2X,
> You wrote,[...would appreciate answers...] and,[...what are these some jurisdictiuons?...].
> One jurisdiction that considers negligence as a tort is Israel. The owner was fined substantially for the negligence in the following link. There is also {criminal negligence} which I will show you later at your request.
> Lou
> http://www.ibls.com/internet_law_news_portal_view.aspx?id=1789&s=latenews2X,
Now that the site is up, in the search box you could type in {Israel}. Then you could see the case where the internet manager was liable. The fine against the manager was substantial. You could then find the criminal negligenmce case and the award case also. Then you could type in other jurisdictions. You could even contact that law office yourself. Then you could have a better understanding IMHO of what I (redacted by resondent)
Lou
Posted by 2nd xylophone on December 26, 2009, at 10:44:05
In reply to Lou's reply-seighum, posted by Lou Pilder on December 26, 2009, at 10:29:00
Lou, I appreciate your answers and I will take a look at the link a little later. Thanks.
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 26, 2009, at 11:20:48
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-seighum » Lou Pilder, posted by 2nd xylophone on December 26, 2009, at 10:44:05
> Lou, I appreciate your answers and I will take a look at the link a little later. Thanks.
2X,
You wrote,[....I appreciate your answers...a little later. Thanks...]
When you return later, examing that case as a tort of negligence also defines the standard of care there. One of the aspects involved is the {request for a deletion}. I would like for you to examine the 3 posts in the thread that this link brings up one of the posts. Notice the title of the innitial post by me.
Then if you could think in terms of being in my position here as a Jew that has been asking for that the owner's own policy and rules and TOS be at least responded to me about in that I have requested over and over for posts that have the potential to lead a Jew to feel put down/accused be either deleted or notated as being uncivil in the thread where they inniitially appear and that there are numerous requests by me to the owner here to be reminded that I have outstanding requests in relation to the notification system and requests to the owner of emails from me to him to be responded to that are outstanding.
Then there are the deputies that have left posts of this nature unresponded to also which (redacted by respondent).
You see, the post in question here is just one of many that are plainly visible that have the same theme, in which do you think that I have been posting to protect the Jewish people? In the post in question, the poster writes,[...it is God's ...]really? Take a good look at what is in just that one post about the Jews. Do you see what is in my post to Mr. Hsiung there? Do you think that I could become a victim of anti_Semitic violence
You see, are there not impressionable people here?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 26, 2009, at 11:25:26
In reply to Lou's reply-seihibhrhay » 2nd xylophone, posted by Lou Pilder on December 26, 2009, at 11:20:48
> > Lou, I appreciate your answers and I will take a look at the link a little later. Thanks.
>
> 2X,
> You wrote,[....I appreciate your answers...a little later. Thanks...]
> When you return later, examing that case as a tort of negligence also defines the standard of care there. One of the aspects involved is the {request for a deletion}. I would like for you to examine the 3 posts in the thread that this link brings up one of the posts. Notice the title of the innitial post by me.
> Then if you could think in terms of being in my position here as a Jew that has been asking for that the owner's own policy and rules and TOS be at least responded to me about in that I have requested over and over for posts that have the potential to lead a Jew to feel put down/accused be either deleted or notated as being uncivil in the thread where they inniitially appear and that there are numerous requests by me to the owner here to be reminded that I have outstanding requests in relation to the notification system and requests to the owner of emails from me to him to be responded to that are outstanding.
> Then there are the deputies that have left posts of this nature unresponded to also which (redacted by respondent).
> You see, the post in question here is just one of many that are plainly visible that have the same theme, in which do you think that I have been posting to protect the Jewish people? In the post in question, the poster writes,[...it is God's ...]really? Take a good look at what is in just that one post about the Jews. Do you see what is in my post to Mr. Hsiung there? Do you think that I could become a victim of anti_Semitic violence
> You see, are there not impressionable people here?
> Lou2X,
the link to request
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041218/msgs/431178.html
Posted by 2nd xylophone on December 26, 2009, at 13:29:50
In reply to the link to req4delet-Lou's reply-seihibhrhay, posted by Lou Pilder on December 26, 2009, at 11:25:26
> > One of the aspects involved is the {request for a deletion}.
I can understand how asking for a deletion of a post or even requests I have seen by others for deletion or editing could be very frustrating when Dr. Bob or adm. members give no reply nor action.
I believe IF there were more monitoring of the forum, some issues could be resolved. My main concern is the trend I see as the expectation that posters work things out amoung themselves and seeing situations grow in very negative ways before any adm. intervening. I think NOT stopping a raging fight between posters could be harmful. And sanctions do tend to cool things down imo - at least on the forum for all the witness.
The flip is some posters have expressed the forum adm. has been and continues to be too strict and hands-on. So, I guess determining irritations, breaches in adm. accountiblity, breaches in poster responsibilities etc. and their level of importance are in the eye of the beholder.
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 26, 2009, at 16:30:43
In reply to Re: the link to req4delet-Lou's reply-seihibhrhay » Lou Pilder, posted by 2nd xylophone on December 26, 2009, at 13:29:50
> > > One of the aspects involved is the {request for a deletion}.
>
> I can understand how asking for a deletion of a post or even requests I have seen by others for deletion or editing could be very frustrating when Dr. Bob or adm. members give no reply nor action.
>
> I believe IF there were more monitoring of the forum, some issues could be resolved. My main concern is the trend I see as the expectation that posters work things out amoung themselves and seeing situations grow in very negative ways before any adm. intervening. I think NOT stopping a raging fight between posters could be harmful. And sanctions do tend to cool things down imo - at least on the forum for all the witness.
>
> The flip is some posters have expressed the forum adm. has been and continues to be too strict and hands-on. So, I guess determining irritations, breaches in adm. accountiblity, breaches in poster responsibilities etc. and their level of importance are in the eye of the beholder.2X,
You wrote,[...breaches in admin accountability...level of importance...eye of the beholder...]
Here are two links to threads that I would like for you to bring up and examine the other posts in the threads. If you could do that, then I could respond if you respond further. Also,(redacted by respondant)
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041218/msgs/434992.html
and
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/42982.html
Posted by Dinah on January 2, 2010, at 10:59:41
In reply to Forum management, posted by 2nd xylophone on December 25, 2009, at 20:40:53
I tend to agree. But then, I suppose I would.
Posted by 2nd xylophone on January 2, 2010, at 20:48:43
In reply to Re: Forum management » 2nd xylophone, posted by Dinah on January 2, 2010, at 10:59:41
> I tend to agree. But then, I suppose I would.
Feels like situations get out of hand and I find that confusing as compared to how things used to be run.
I'm thinking it's tag out time for me as far as participating. No big loss anyway : )
This is the end of the thread.
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