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Posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2006, at 16:04:56
Dr. Hsiung,
I am requesting that I be allowed to post the Jewish perspective as proclaimed by the Anti-Defamation League as being representatives of the Jewish community. This is in regards to the accusation made toward the Jews that is the subject in question here.
I would want to post a URL and I do not at this time know, according to your new rules here, what URLs can or can not be posted here.
Lou Pilder
Posted by SLS on September 7, 2006, at 6:29:46
In reply to Lou's request to Dr. Hsiung, posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2006, at 16:04:56
> Dr. Hsiung,
> I am requesting that I be allowed to post the Jewish perspective as proclaimed by the Anti-Defamation League as being representatives of the Jewish community. This is in regards to the accusation made toward the Jews that is the subject in question here.
> I would want to post a URL and I do not at this time know, according to your new rules here, what URLs can or can not be posted here.
> Lou Pilder
It is difficult to run the Faith board. Some religions have in their scriptures verbiage that accuses and puts down members of other religions. Individuals have in the past provided URL links to webpages citing verses in the New Testament that accuse and put down Jews. These URL links are currently active. I do not believe these verses would be considered civil were someone to include them in a post submitted on Psycho-Babble. However, some of these verses have been referred to at least once on the Faith board, and the reference was considered civil:
[xxx]http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20021128/msgs/8865.html
- Scott
Posted by SLS on September 7, 2006, at 7:07:38
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Dr. Hsiung, posted by SLS on September 7, 2006, at 6:29:46
> > Dr. Hsiung,
> > I am requesting that I be allowed to post the Jewish perspective as proclaimed by the Anti-Defamation League as being representatives of the Jewish community. This is in regards to the accusation made toward the Jews that is the subject in question here.
> > I would want to post a URL and I do not at this time know, according to your new rules here, what URLs can or can not be posted here.
> > Lou Pilder
>
>
> It is difficult to run the Faith board. Some religions have in their scriptures verbiage that accuses and puts down members of other religions. Individuals have in the past provided URL links to webpages citing verses in the New Testament that accuse and put down Jews. These URL links are currently active. I do not believe these verses would be considered civil were someone to include them in a post submitted on Psycho-Babble. However, some of these verses have been referred to at least once on the Faith board, and the reference was considered civil:
>
>
> [xxx]
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20021128/msgs/8865.html
People on the Faith board probably find it difficult to navigate the framework of civility when composing their posts. It must be difficult to avoid referring to some of the fundamental tenets of their faith when these tenets are prejudicial or exclusionary against another group of people. It is there. It is in the doctrine of some religions that there be segregation. I am delighted to see that the Faith board has survived and remained civil in spite of these religious differences.
- Scott
Posted by zazenducky on September 7, 2006, at 7:56:19
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Dr. Hsiung, posted by SLS on September 7, 2006, at 7:07:38
i have difficulty believing bob would at this pont in time allow a link to a webpage blaming the holocaust on the new testament and blaming the church which christians define as being all believers of being responsible for murder..... on a board which doesn't even allow for a stated belief in monotheism? and i tremble for anyone who dares to post that god has a particular chosen people!!! not on bob's board thank you very much :) so i'd be careful with the old testament too. i believe one of the deputies posted her intention to block jesus christ if he appeared and posted the wrong article re being truth way and light :-) so some aren't welcome but like bob says the board isn't for everyone but i'm glad to know those of us who don't fit in there have some good company!!
no atheism is not allowed either so don't even ask!!
there's no place like babble in the universe!!
maybe bob's decision not to allow links to anything he finds uncivil post dates this?
the rules have changed so often i think it would be prudent for lou to wait for a determination from bob rather than relying on past precedent
this does not mean I do not like bob or that i have not seen him in his underpants ;-)
Posted by SLS on September 7, 2006, at 8:45:30
In reply to maybe the rules have changed?, posted by zazenducky on September 7, 2006, at 7:56:19
I don't think the rules have changed. I just think that they are in constant flux in their interpretation and enforcement, and that something that was not sanctioned at one point in time could be sanctioned at another point in time. The post by Lou Pilder on the Administration forum containing the URL to the [xxx] webpage was not sanctioned when it first appeared. We will see if posting here a link to his previously unsanctioned post containing that same URL will now remain unsanctioned. This might help clarify some of the issues raised here recently regarding the citing of archived posts that had not been sanctioned previously that might yet be regarded as being uncivil.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on September 7, 2006, at 9:48:43
In reply to Re: maybe the rules have changed?, posted by SLS on September 7, 2006, at 8:45:30
Ah. I just remembered. The rules have changed, and I have unwittingly committed an infraction. If I am not mistaken, I have just asked for a determination of the civility of a specific post by posting its URL instead of using email to correspond with Dr. Bob privately and invisibly.
This should earn me a PBC sanction under this regulation. It should not be necessary for any comment to be made regarding the posts that mine link to.
I am actually pretty disgusted by this whole thing. I'm not entirely sure why I did it.
- Scott
Posted by Dinah on September 7, 2006, at 10:37:00
In reply to maybe the rules have changed?, posted by zazenducky on September 7, 2006, at 7:56:19
> i believe one of the deputies posted her intention to block jesus christ if he appeared and posted the wrong article re being truth way and light :-) so some aren't welcome but like bob says the board isn't for everyone but i'm glad to know those of us who don't fit in there have some good company!!
If you're referring to me, I wasn't deputy at the time, so doubt that I threatened to block Jesus. And I certainly hope Jesus wouldn't have perceived me as not welcoming him here, or anywhere else, as nothing could be further from the truth. I think I merely said Dr. Bob would likely hold him to the site guidelines.
What a sad walk down memory lane. I was so young in social interaction, and I tried so hard, and failed so miserably, hurting so many. I regret that.
As far as links go, I rarely follow links on this computer for various reasons that probably have a lot to do with computer ignorance. So unless something is brought to my attention, I usually don't see the content of links. I'm sure Dr. Bob does, or the other deputies. But if you ever find a link that doesn't follow the guidelines, you can contact Dr. Bob or the deputies.
Posted by zazenducky on September 7, 2006, at 14:34:03
In reply to Re: maybe the rules have changed? » zazenducky, posted by Dinah on September 7, 2006, at 10:37:00
it's good to know you wouldn't use your deputorial discretion to delete jesus :)
and you did say in all fairness that bob would probably give him a warning first and only block him if he persisted :)
and you did mention that there were many other forums where jesus could post his message if he chose not to follow pb guidelines :) i'm sure our lord appreciated that ;)
i also conflated 2 incidents....the blocking jesus post was in reference to a quote about hypocrisy which i don't believe it is acceptable to quote here anymore not the way the truth and the life which was another thread so sorryi always thought that exchange was a classic. i can't link i don't think under bob's present rules even tho it wasn't declared uncivil at the time
yes there is a lot of hurtin goin on at babble.there is indeed.
> If you're referring to me, I wasn't deputy at the time, so doubt that I threatened to block Jesus. And I certainly hope Jesus wouldn't have perceived me as not welcoming him here, or anywhere else, as nothing could be further from the truth. I think I merely said Dr. Bob would likely hold him to the site guidelines.
>
> What a sad walk down memory lane. I was so young in social interaction, and I tried so hard, and failed so miserably, hurting so many. I regret that.
>
> As far as links go, I rarely follow links on this computer for various reasons that probably have a lot to do with computer ignorance. So unless something is brought to my attention, I usually don't see the content of links. I'm sure Dr. Bob does, or the other deputies. But if you ever find a link that doesn't follow the guidelines, you can contact Dr. Bob or the deputies.
Posted by Dinah on September 7, 2006, at 15:26:05
In reply to i stand corrected » Dinah, posted by zazenducky on September 7, 2006, at 14:34:03
I *think* I made it into a true hypothetical by leaving out the subject. However, I'm glad you didn't link it. I'm not really proud of that time in my life.
Some of my other posts on that thread might not bear close scrutiny. :(
Oddly, while I'd never want to be that person I was again, in a way I miss the passion and the playfulness. Can you imagine me indirectly challenging anyone to a duel anymore? Or making the post in question? I'm way more likely now to just delete whatever I was going to post and walk away.
I don't miss the hours of sobbing on my closet floor or emergency calls to my therapist or multiple hysterical emails to Dr. Bob though. I almost never do that over Babble anymore, while it used to be a weekly occurrance.
How does one keep the passion without the pain?
I suppose this isn't terribly administrative.
Posted by Dinah on September 7, 2006, at 16:08:39
In reply to Re: i stand corrected » zazenducky, posted by Dinah on September 7, 2006, at 15:26:05
Ohhhh, never mind me.
I'm feeling melancholy and reminiscent. And I haven't even been drinking.
It's nothing.
Posted by SLS on September 7, 2006, at 17:07:51
In reply to Re: maybe the rules have changed?, posted by SLS on September 7, 2006, at 9:48:43
> I am actually pretty disgusted by this whole thing. I'm not entirely sure why I did it.
One thing for sure, though. I was not meaning to question the civility of a post submitted by Lou Pilder.
- Scott
Posted by zazenducky on September 8, 2006, at 11:25:31
In reply to Re: i stand corrected » zazenducky, posted by Dinah on September 7, 2006, at 15:26:05
I miss the old dinah too. I sorry you've been through so many losses the last couple of years. I know what you mean about the passion and the pain. I feel about a thousand years old myself. I hope your little dog is feeling better and you make it through the day ok. That's as far in the future as I can think anymore.
I've given up my capital strike for Bob's return(just to keep things admin)
> I *think* I made it into a true hypothetical by leaving out the subject. However, I'm glad you didn't link it. I'm not really proud of that time in my life.
>
> Some of my other posts on that thread might not bear close scrutiny. :(
>
> Oddly, while I'd never want to be that person I was again, in a way I miss the passion and the playfulness. Can you imagine me indirectly challenging anyone to a duel anymore? Or making the post in question? I'm way more likely now to just delete whatever I was going to post and walk away.
>
> I don't miss the hours of sobbing on my closet floor or emergency calls to my therapist or multiple hysterical emails to Dr. Bob though. I almost never do that over Babble anymore, while it used to be a weekly occurrance.
>
> How does one keep the passion without the pain?
>
> I suppose this isn't terribly administrative.
Posted by Dinah on September 8, 2006, at 11:53:18
In reply to Re: i stand corrected » Dinah, posted by zazenducky on September 8, 2006, at 11:25:31
>
> I've given up my capital strike for Bob's return(just to keep things admin)Just as well. Bob only knows when he'll return. :)
> I miss the old dinah too. I sorry you've been through so many losses the last couple of years. I know what you mean about the passion and the pain. I feel about a thousand years old myself. I hope your little dog is feeling better and you make it through the day ok. That's as far in the future as I can think anymore.
Thank you. It's always a bit of a shock when people say that to me, since what's overlaid on my mind is all that I *haven't* lost, all undeserved. The little princess is feeling as well as can be expected, I guess.
I'm sorry you're feeling so weary. I wish I could help somehow.
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 12, 2006, at 9:06:57
In reply to Re: maybe the rules have changed?, posted by SLS on September 7, 2006, at 8:45:30
> I do not at this time know, according to your new rules here, what URLs can or can not be posted here.
>
> Lou Pilder> some of these verses have been referred to at least once on the Faith board, and the reference was considered civil:
>
> [xxx]> The post by Lou Pilder on the Administration forum containing the URL to the [xxx] webpage was not sanctioned when it first appeared.
>
> SLSPlease see, and redirect follow-ups to:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20060826/msgs/684703.html
Thanks,
Bob
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