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Posted by Deneb on October 5, 2005, at 16:10:09
In reply to Re: Suicide groups on the net, posted by Dr. Bob on October 5, 2005, at 3:53:55
> > it is even
> > easier, if you have a computer to go to the
> > usenet group xxx to
> > check out how to do it while you are desperate.
>
> Sorry about another rule, but I think it makes sense to extend the civility policy to include exchanging "information that could be used to harm oneself or others", which would include the names of groups like the above. Even when the intent is to warn others, since there's no telling how that information will be used. I've revised the FAQ:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civilDr. Bob, does this mean that we cannot mention the names of pro-suicide websites and groups?
Dr. Bob, does this mean you are against suicide? Does this mean you don't want anyone here to commit suicide?
Deneb
Posted by TofuEmmy on October 5, 2005, at 19:04:08
In reply to Re: Suicide groups on the net » Dr. Bob, posted by Deneb on October 5, 2005, at 16:10:09
GREAT new rule! Thank you. I hope the rule is strictly enforced.
So, if someone does this once, they will be PBC'd, and if they do it again they will be blocked? This is my new favorite rule.
emmy
Posted by TofuEmmy on October 5, 2005, at 19:08:31
In reply to Re: Suicide groups on the net » Dr. Bob, posted by Deneb on October 5, 2005, at 16:10:09
"Dr. Bob, does this mean you are against suicide?"
Deneb - Is this a serious question? If so, what do you THINK is the answer to your question? Can you take a guess as to how a psychiatrist might feel about suicide?
emmy
Posted by Deneb on October 5, 2005, at 19:17:51
In reply to Re: Suicide groups on the net » Deneb, posted by TofuEmmy on October 5, 2005, at 19:08:31
> "Dr. Bob, does this mean you are against suicide?"
>
> Deneb - Is this a serious question? If so, what do you THINK is the answer to your question? Can you take a guess as to how a psychiatrist might feel about suicide?
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> emmyYes, it is a serious question. Recently a man named Marcel Tremblay in Ottawa, Ontario (where I live) publicly ended his life because of a terminal illness. His decision was deemed rational by several p-docs and he was allowed to kill himself.
Deneb
Posted by TofuEmmy on October 5, 2005, at 19:22:31
In reply to Re: Suicide groups on the net » TofuEmmy, posted by Deneb on October 5, 2005, at 19:17:51
If Bob thought suicide was a GOOD thing, why would he ban posts about pro-suicide sites? Doesn't that mean he is against pro-suicide sites? And so...he is NOT pro-suicide? Seems sorta logical to me.
em
Posted by Deneb on October 5, 2005, at 19:27:47
In reply to Re: Suicide groups on the net, posted by TofuEmmy on October 5, 2005, at 19:22:31
> If Bob thought suicide was a GOOD thing, why would he ban posts about pro-suicide sites? Doesn't that mean he is against pro-suicide sites? And so...he is NOT pro-suicide? Seems sorta logical to me.
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> emI just thought maybe Dr. Bob only did this because the masses want him to do this. I still kind of think he wants me dead sometimes. I'm just grasping for any evidence that he doesn't want me dead.
Deneb
Posted by Damos on October 5, 2005, at 20:11:21
In reply to Re: Suicide groups on the net » TofuEmmy, posted by Deneb on October 5, 2005, at 19:17:51
> Yes, it is a serious question. Recently a man named Marcel Tremblay in Ottawa, Ontario (where I live) publicly ended his life because of a terminal illness. His decision was deemed rational by several p-docs and he was allowed to kill himself.
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> DenebThat type of act is usually considered voluntary euthanasia and not suicide as such and is still the subject of much ethical debate. If someone had assisted him, in this country that would have been considered assisted suicide which is an even more difficult issue.
Sorry to barge in and be so blunt, it's just a sensitive issue for me.
Posted by justyourlaugh on October 5, 2005, at 21:20:04
In reply to Re: Suicide groups on the net » Dr. Bob, posted by Deneb on October 5, 2005, at 16:10:09
i thought suicide was a terrible out come from an illness..?
the good doctor took the oath..
you are safe deneb..
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 5, 2005, at 22:44:51
In reply to Thank you Dr Bob!, posted by TofuEmmy on October 5, 2005, at 19:04:08
> GREAT new rule! Thank you.
You're welcome, it was suggested by some posters. :-)
> So, if someone does this once, they will be PBC'd, and if they do it again they will be blocked?
Right, that's what I was thinking...
Bob
Posted by Deneb on October 5, 2005, at 22:54:37
In reply to Re: Suicide groups on the net » Deneb, posted by justyourlaugh on October 5, 2005, at 21:20:04
> i thought suicide was a terrible out come from an illness..?
> the good doctor took the oath..
> you are safe deneb..You are right jyl. Dr. Bob doesn't want me or anyone here to die. He's a nice guy. I'm sorry he has to take so much craziness from me. It's probably better that he doesn't respond when I keep questioning whether or not he wants me to die etc. Like Alexandra said, he would be reinforcing my behaviour.
I think maybe I keep testing him...like after I do a bad thing I assume he absolutely hates me and wishes horrible things for me. But then he's always normal. He doesn't freak out, even when I do really bad things.
I just got a piece of evidence today that Dr. Bob doesn't hate me. He said "thanks" to me for drawing a picture of Psycho-Babble. This means he hasn't changed. He is like a rock, he reminds me of my p-doc, the one on maternity leave.
Thanks Dr. Bob for putting up with my craziness. I'm going to try really hard to be good and not think crazy thoughts. But when I do, I'll look at the evidence.
Deneb
Posted by Phillipa on October 5, 2005, at 23:00:08
In reply to Re: Suicide groups on the net » justyourlaugh, posted by Deneb on October 5, 2005, at 22:54:37
Deneb, I'm proud of you. And I couldn't open that link. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by JenStar on October 6, 2005, at 11:41:18
In reply to Re: Suicide groups on the net » TofuEmmy, posted by Deneb on October 5, 2005, at 19:27:47
Deneb,
Assisted suicide for terminally ill patients living in excruciating physical pain is a very different issue from preventing suicide in people who are doing it because they are mentally ill, people who othewise could go on to live a happy and productive life. Iknow there's a line that separates the two categories, and I'm sure in some special cases the boundary could become blurred, but in GENERAL there is a huge chasm between the two groups.
I think it's pretty obvious which kind of suicide is discussed here, by you and others. It's not the terminally ill kind; it's the kind that is best prevented so that a person can go on to lead a fulfilling life. It's the kind that would be a tragedy for those left behind.
Do you see this difference, too? To you, is there a difference?
I believe it's possible to be a good, morally strong, trustworthy and caring physician who helps prevent suicide in the general masses AND also believes in the "right to die" for terminally ill people who suffer from chronic non-treatable pain.
What do you think about this?
JenStar
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