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Posted by mystic on July 11, 2004, at 22:12:22
In reply to RE:: Hey everyone trigger negative » mystic, posted by Simus on July 11, 2004, at 21:39:42
Simus..as always thank you for your post...My appt on friday was ok it was pretty intense and probably set me off for the weekend but it will be good..we did the last appt with the getting information and getting ready to actually start the rapid eye movement therapy which we will start in 2 weeks ..i wish that we met every week as to get this going and helping but he is away next week so it is the friday after next...I'm anxious to get these feelings and sort through the memories to get better I hope...He suspects that it will be long road as he was surprised at the degree of mental abuse at the hands of my mother and uncle so he assured me that he thinks that this will work but to be aware that it will be tough and I shouldnt go to work after a session..which is best I have Fridays off and will do my appts then...
Simus are you on wellbutrin also??...I wasnt sure..if so how is it working for you...my problem is anxiety/depression and someone mentioned that it might not be great for anxiety might make it worse..if not what are you on at this time...Well I'm off going to bed..thank you so much simus I'm grateful to have you as a friend...How are you feeling??...better I hope!!!...your friend mystic
Posted by Simus on July 12, 2004, at 1:54:36
In reply to RE:: Simus, posted by mystic on July 11, 2004, at 22:12:22
> Simus are you on wellbutrin also??...I wasnt sure..if so how is it working for you...my problem is anxiety/depression and someone mentioned that it might not be great for anxiety might make it worse
Mystic,
I am so sorry that you have abuse in your background. I pray the therapy helps.
I am on 150mg Wellbutrin XL (and 1mg Xanax at bedtime as needed for sleep). I was up to 20-30mg Lexapro and it just wasn't working for me. So my doctor had me stop the Lex (didn't titrate down) and start the 150mg Wellbutrin on the same day. I was sooooo scared - afraid of Lex withdrawals, afraid of trying a new drug with a whole new set of side effects, wondering if the Wellbutrin was going to just lead down another blind alley... But really it went reasonably well. The worst "symptom", and basically the only one, was insomnia. I slept very little the first couple of nights. Thank God for Xanax and benedryl which got me through. I felt better on several levels almost immediately. The "zombie" feeling was immediately gone. It took a while for my memory to come back to (almost) normal though - maybe a couple of months. Now I feel almost "normal" again. There are occasional times I have to deal with some mild depression or anxiety, but it doesn't happen often.
I was worried about Wellbutrin and anxiety too. But after the first couple of days, I was OK. But I don't really remember feeling like I was going to have a panic attack. It was more like the feeling of one cup too much coffee. A word of caution is that it seems that Wellbutrin magnifies the effect of caffeine and alcohol, and it seems to take longer for them to leave the system. So I wouldn't advise coffee, Sudafed, diet pills or alcoholic beverages.
You might want to check with Lexy. I think she had a bad experience with Wellbutrin. But then we are all so different, and these drugs are all trial-and-error until we find something that helps.
God bless,
Simus
Posted by mystic on July 12, 2004, at 6:38:24
In reply to RE:: Simus » mystic, posted by Simus on July 12, 2004, at 1:54:36
Thank you soo much Simus for sharing that with me...My dr tends to have me go right off and try something right away at least that was the way with the lex he had me stop the paxil one night and start the lex the other morning it was weird but I have heard that paxil withdrawal is terrible but I was only on a very small amount for a couple of years at the end...Lexy also suggested seeing a psychiatrist..is that what you do or do you just see your primary??
I thank you Simus for all you do ..you are an angel without everyone on the posts I dont know what I would do...You are just a wonderful person and am grateful that I have met you and all the others...Have a great day...your friend Heidi
Posted by Simus on July 12, 2004, at 8:23:20
In reply to RE:: Simus, posted by mystic on July 12, 2004, at 6:38:24
> My dr tends to have me go right off and try something right away at least that was the way with the lex he had me stop the paxil one night and start the lex the other morning it was weird but I have heard that paxil withdrawal is terrible but I was only on a very small amount for a couple of years at the end...
Going from one SSRI to another, like Paxil to Lexapro, isn't too bad. It isn't like stopping SSRIs altogether, so you wouldn't be as likely to get withdrawal symptoms. Wellbutrin, however, isn't in the SSRI class of drugs, which is why I was concerned about SSRI withdrawal.
> Lexy also suggested seeing a psychiatrist..is that what you do or do you just see your primary??
Yes, my doctor referred me to a psychiatrist when I became suicidal from bad side effects from the drugs. I would think your condition is certainly severe enough to consider a psychiatrist. No matter how good your family doctor is, he can't compete with someone who deals with psychiatric problems 100% of the time. Something to consider...
I am so looking forward to brighter days for you, Heidi. May they come soon.
Your friend,
Simus
Posted by trucker on July 12, 2004, at 14:12:00
In reply to Re: from low carber to another » trucker, posted by Simus on July 11, 2004, at 21:45:25
hungry all the time after the 1st day
trucker
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> Trucker,
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> How did you feel on the South Beach Diet??? Were you hungry? I have been looking around at the various diets, but I haven't committed to just one yet...
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> Yeah, I hear polycystic ovaries make women gain weight easily and then losing weight really tough.
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> Best of luck - let us know how you are doing.
>
> Simus
Posted by Jai Narayan on July 12, 2004, at 20:22:32
In reply to Re: from low carber to another, posted by sexylexy on July 11, 2004, at 11:47:37
Dear Lexy,
I am sure you are totally clear about what makes you feel sick and what works. Hypoglycemia is wicked, I don't have it but I know people who do. I remember a trick with that problem....a protein with fruit? does that make sense. For instance, an apple slice with cheese. The fruit get's you up and the protein carries you through. I am not sure if that works but I remember....cottage cheese with a plum?I can give up sugar (although everyday I want some when I'm at work).
It seems it's really the energy I crave so I sip Earl Gray Tea with cream all day (it's not really much tea (only 2 cups) but I need it to give up coffee). That seems to fill my need.I take blue green algea to help me with energy as well. I also use green tea in the am.
Tea has a ton of antioxidents.Okay I am rambling. Sorry I lost my focus.
Sounds like you've got a plan for your weight management. I think WW is a good group. I have never joined but heard really good things from my sister. I love chatting about weight loss. So let's keep it up.
Posted by sexylexy on July 12, 2004, at 20:55:07
In reply to to my friend Lexy..., posted by Jai Narayan on July 12, 2004, at 20:22:32
Hey Jai!
Wow, I commend you for being able to give up sugar. I am such an addict could be because of the hypoglycemic thing. It is really awful, it has gotten somewhat better. I have never heard about the fruit and protein but I can see how that would work really well. I mean it makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the great tip.
I did atkins for 1 day and lost 3 lbs, I am assuming it was water weight, I am now following WW and know that some of the water weight will come back but hoping to steadly lose some weight.
I am so bad I just love to eat, especially things that are not good for me! I mean I swear if someone let me loose in Godiva for an hour of unsupervised fun there would be nothing left in the store and I would be in some heavenly chocolate coma. Hahaha, I am getting such a funny picture of that.
Anyhow, I love green tea, of course if I have caffinated drinks to many days in a row it makes my weird head feelings and depression. I am just a feak...haha. I have never tried earl grey, I love tea though, we should go have some (smile, internet tea time).
How do you like the blue green algea. I would love to try something that would help with energy. Right now I am waiting for my job to start and I am going to be a therapist at a child in-patient unit. I think that I am defintily going to need energy for that one!
I will for sure let you know how the weight battle goes, keep up, you are great to talk to!
Cheers!!!
Lexy
Posted by Anakin on July 12, 2004, at 23:57:11
In reply to Re: to my friend Jai..., posted by sexylexy on July 12, 2004, at 20:55:07
In my opinion... the only thing that works for MOST people is Weight Watchers, I am not to say SB and Atkins doesn't work, but I have tried them and stuck with them for a couple months, but I swear upon everything I own,eat a couple marshmallow peeps or something really sugary and you will instantly gain 8-10 pound in a few days, all water loss unless it is a lifelong committment...JUST AN OPINION.
Do weight watchers. It is reasonable. You CAN eat what you want, it just has to balance out with whatever else you eat. For example, eat a Big Mac something like 10-12 points, and you can have 24 in a day.... so you mooch otherwise once in awhile, it is ok. I ordered a Weight Watchers kit from EBAY, 45$ or something, and I know it is going to work. It makes so much more sense than anything else I have ever looked at. You CAN eat a Krispy Cream or Dunkin Donut, but you other meals must comply. GO For WW. IT MAKES SENSE!
I am always looking for a fad, but this is the only one that seems like it can be a committment.
Posted by mystic on July 13, 2004, at 6:44:43
In reply to my opinion, posted by Anakin on July 12, 2004, at 23:57:11
Anakin..Good luck on the weight watchers...I totally agree..it is a lifestyle that you are looking for to make it work and ww teaches you portions again and you can stick with it because you are not restricted on anything...Good Luck take care Mystic
Posted by Zena on July 13, 2004, at 10:58:50
In reply to my opinion, posted by Anakin on July 12, 2004, at 23:57:11
Anakin,
I also agree with you about weight watchers. You won't find any Dr. that has a problem with the program. I currently go as I am on two antidepressents & want to make sure I don't start gaining. So far I have kept it off. I am a life time member.
Zena
Posted by sexylexy on July 13, 2004, at 11:41:51
In reply to my opinion, posted by Anakin on July 12, 2004, at 23:57:11
Anakin!
Rock on, very well put about WW. I got on it after college and with in a few months had lost close to 20lbs. It was not water weight but fat, which stayed off even if I slipped up for a week or two. After a while I did not want the fatty/suggary foods as much because I got much better reinforcement from seeing the scale go down. I stayed with it and kept it all off for more than a year. I then got depressed/anxious and started loosing weight dramatically. So I completley stopped the POINTS and just tried to eat anything just to eat. So I got used to the eating whatever all the time because it was really hard to eat or gain weight. Well now I am gaining and just starting back into WW. looking foward to getting all the weight off about five/ seven pounds...you know I hear my engagement ring maybe coming so I got to get in shape for that!!! haha. Well talk to you soon!!
LExy
Posted by Anakin on July 13, 2004, at 17:16:56
In reply to Re: my opinion, posted by sexylexy on July 13, 2004, at 11:41:51
i got my points books today. good stuff. i recommend looking on ebay for the kits. i got it in less than a week!
Posted by sexylexy on July 13, 2004, at 17:55:22
In reply to Re: my opinion, posted by Anakin on July 13, 2004, at 17:16:56
I love ebay. My boyfriend got me a huge set of Bath and Body Works "Vanilla Bean Noel" stuff. They only have it a Christmas time but it smells soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo good, I want to eat it. He got it for me like a month ago, bubble bath, lotion, soap and hand lotion for like $35 delivered in less than a week. It is great!!!
Lexy
Posted by Jai Narayan on July 13, 2004, at 19:45:53
In reply to Re: to my friend Jai..., posted by sexylexy on July 12, 2004, at 20:55:07
> I did atkins for 1 day and lost 3 lbs, I am assuming it was water weight, I am now following WW and know that some of the water weight will come back but hoping to steadly lose some weight.
*I do Atkins strick for 2 weeks every month and my weight comes off slowly. I am loosing at the rate of one pound per month....we are talking slow but it's coming off not going on.
> I am so bad I just love to eat, especially things that are not good for me!
* I was a cook professionally for 10 years. I love food and love to eat good food.
>I mean I swear if someone let me loose in Godiva for an hour of unsupervised fun there would be nothing left in the store and I would be in some heavenly chocolate coma.
*Well there are recipies for an alternative chocolate.....I am experimenting.
It seems that Garden of Life product line has put together a coconut product that is pure and very tasty. I think if you combine coco, coconut oil, and a sugar substitute...Stevia....well I might get to heaven while still on the planet. I love chocolate and find I miss it and you know what !!! It's good for us! Can you beat that? So I will get my apron out and my chef hat and work till I create heaven on earth.> we should go have some (smile, internet tea time).
*What a sweet idea. I would love to sit down to a cuppa.
> How do you like the blue green algea.
* I love it. It's almost pure protein.
> Right now I am waiting for my job to start and I am going to be a therapist at a child in-patient unit. I think that I am defintily going to need energy for that one!
*What a cool job. congratulations.
They are lucky to have you.
talk to you soon.
Posted by Anakin on July 13, 2004, at 19:46:07
In reply to Re: my opinion, posted by sexylexy on July 13, 2004, at 17:55:22
yes ebay is an addiction...i have been ordering those italian charm bracelet charms and giving them as gifts...you can get like 54 for 10 bucks...that is where i found my wedding dress person too.
Posted by sexylexy on July 13, 2004, at 20:24:23
In reply to right back at you Lexy, posted by Jai Narayan on July 13, 2004, at 19:45:53
Hi Ya!
What you were cook? That is awesome. I love to cook. A few times a month my boyfriend and I will get some really good meat, like nice filet or some ahi tuna steaks, he can grill like nobody's bussiness and I am in charge of sides, my claim to fame was that I made mac and cheese that took like 4 bowls...hahaha what an accomplishment right? We get some wine and cook together and it is pretty close to my idea of heaven (God of Godiva excluding, haha).
I envy you being able to stick to the with the atkins thing. That is very admirable. I after that one day I was crying and yelling at everyone. I am sure it would have gone away after getting over the inital with draw but I just hate that weird chemical feeling which was a big part of my depression. I really can think of few things I have felt which have caused me more greif.
I am pretty happy on WW, I lost the weight and kept it off for a year but then when I was depressed I dropped down to a size 0. It was not attractive...I think woman should have curves, softness and some muscle. Im totally not into the "oh my gosh, I haven't eaten in 6 years, aren't I fabulous?" look. So then I tried to eat and the weight would not come on. Soooo then the depression started to lift and the lexapro dosage went up, as did my weight. I would like to blame it on the lex but I am sure it was my doing. Now I size 4s are getting a little tight, I like to be a solid 4.
Stevia sounds pretty good. mmm coco and coconut sounds great to me. You should get your cute chefs out and make something that everyone in the world will want... you will become famous and I can say, I knew you when..haha
Talk to you soon!
PS. I love your name, what does it mean? What is your origin? I am Russian.
Posted by Mrs. C on July 13, 2004, at 21:34:02
In reply to Re: from low carber to another, posted by sexylexy on July 11, 2004, at 11:47:37
Lexy, I have been away and just got back to reading the posts. Sorry that the Atkins plan got you so yucky. I got that way too during the first week. It was very difficult but it did go away. But of course you must do what is best for you and I wish you the best of luck on WW. I have lost weight with that plan too but found it too hard to stick with. You really have to keep track of everything you eat and I am just not into that. For all the critics out there who say that eating sugar again after Atkins causes you to gain weight again fast.. it has not been the case for me. I occassionally cheat and I have not gained a pound back. Everyone is different. The weight loss battle continues...Mrs. C
Posted by sexylexy on July 13, 2004, at 22:38:24
In reply to Re: from low carber to another, posted by Mrs. C on July 13, 2004, at 21:34:02
Mrs. C,
haha cheers to the weight war, you are my fellow warrior!!
Love ya and we missed ya
Lexy
Posted by JenStar on July 14, 2004, at 2:42:21
In reply to RE::: Hey everyone, posted by mystic on July 8, 2004, at 22:16:08
hi Mystic,
does the EMDR work for you? Or maybe I should ask, how & what does the EMDR do for you? I saw a therapist who was really "into" it but I never pursued it, even though she recommended it.Hope you didn't have nightmares & that the session was more help than harm. :)
Take care!
JenStar
> Hey everyone...we have been missing some oldies..Not sure where everyone goes...K hasnt been around for a while..I know that lynda is on vacation for a couple of weeks..but there are a lot of people missing :( Well I have another one of my therapy sessions tomorrow my EMDR..and nervous as heck I hate going through all the stuff from my past it gets me going for at least a couple of days really bad...But have to do it I guess..I always almost cancel or not show to my appt at the last minute..wasnt wigging about it until right now..Just not ready for the nightmares again after therapy I always get a nightmare or two....We will see how it goes..Hope everyone is doing good...and everyone has a great great Friday..Take care Mystic
Posted by sexylexy on July 14, 2004, at 22:24:36
In reply to RE::: Hey everyone, posted by JenStar on July 14, 2004, at 2:42:21
Hey Ya'll
Just wanted to let you know that I am moving for the next few days so I may not be posting for a few days. Fear not I will be back, if I survive the heat...it was 101 today with 80% humidity... gotta love the deep south, at least my air conditionar works really well. Talk to everyone soon. Love yall!
Lexy
Posted by Simus on July 14, 2004, at 22:57:43
In reply to Hey Ya'll, posted by sexylexy on July 14, 2004, at 22:24:36
> it was 101 today with 80% humidity... gotta love the deep south
It's 63 degrees here right now and 54% humidity... Ahhhh... Michigan has it's moments... =)
Posted by mystic on July 15, 2004, at 17:04:04
In reply to Redirected Lexaproers, posted by jlynne on March 13, 2004, at 1:31:16
Hey everyone...Just got back from the drs and they want me to try out the Wellbutrin now really nervous about that..I hate new meds and I hate going off one even though the lex didnt work for me...have been feeling pretty good the last couple of days though it fugures...but have lost my pocket book twice and (someone returned it both times to the store)and lost my ATM card yesterday so this not working my memory is just shot...So I will wean off and see my regular dr next friday...SO any help on the wellbutrin information would be greatly appreciated and the weaning off the lex..
So that is my story...how is everyone else doing...seems to be pretty quiet on the posts lately maybe sad because everyone has gone away or everyone is feeling better and that is a good thing but i miss you all so much dont know what i would do without you alll....Simus...Mrs C and Lexy you know how I feel about you...and just everyone...Thanks so much..Your friend Mystic...oh no I didnt forget about you Anankin and trucker...and whoever else I forgot because of the lex..hahahha
Posted by Anakin on July 15, 2004, at 22:01:37
In reply to RE:: Hey everyone, posted by mystic on July 15, 2004, at 17:04:04
Mystic, you could look at it in the way that you HAVE actually lost those things, unlike me who just THINKS she loses things all of the time...I dont know which is worse!
I started back to school on wednesday. BLAH.
Posted by mystic on July 15, 2004, at 22:06:47
In reply to RE:: Hey everyone, posted by Anakin on July 15, 2004, at 22:01:37
Anakin you have started school already that is pretty soon isnt it??...are you going to be working in the same school as last year??>.I hope not...have a great day tomorrow..your friend mystic
Posted by Simus on July 15, 2004, at 22:37:37
In reply to RE:: Hey everyone, posted by mystic on July 15, 2004, at 17:04:04
> Hey everyone...Just got back from the drs and they want me to try out the Wellbutrin now really nervous about that..I hate new meds and I hate going off one even though the lex didnt work for me...have been feeling pretty good the last couple of days though it fugures...but have lost my pocket book twice and (someone returned it both times to the store)and lost my ATM card yesterday so this not working my memory is just shot...So I will wean off and see my regular dr next friday...SO any help on the wellbutrin information would be greatly appreciated and the weaning off the lex..
Mystic, ask the Dr if you can overlap the two meds. In otherwords, ask him if you could start the Wellbutrin at a lower dose (150mg) and maybe drop to 10mg of Lex (not sure how much you are on now), and then work your way down on Lex until you are off of it. They are in different families, and I don't think it would be a problem. I am just thinking that it could soften the withdrawal from a SSRI. I don't want you to go through that if you don't have to. I also think the Lex may ease the "antsy" feeling of starting the Wellbutrin. Something to think about... And please consider using at least a little of the Xanax to help you through this if you need it. If you can't do that, you could try Benedryl. It is an allergy med, but it's active ingredient is used as a non-addictive sleep aid. Even just one would calm the "rough edges" during high-anxiety times.
Keep us informed.
Simus
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