Posted by rayww on October 23, 2004, at 0:50:12
In reply to Re: an argument for the existance of superbanana, posted by alexandra_k on October 22, 2004, at 18:11:37
I don't mind your philosophy ravings one bit, as long as you don't mind me coming back with one more argument for existance.
If you haven't seen something does it mean it does not exist? If you haven't seen, but I have, will you believe me when I tell you about it, or will you still argue that it does not exist?
This is the root of the problem. Many have seen God, and have described Him, but some of those who have not seen Him don't believe it. It takes faith to believe in something you have not seen for yourself.
A person may have faith to believe that Eskimos live at the north pole, along with Santa Claus, and that once they cross the 49th parallell heading North they hitch up a dog sled, but are there actual witnesses? Does the weather suddenly turn nasty as soon as you enter Canada? Has anyone seen Santa's workshop?
In spite of the fact that there are plenty of actual and real witnesses of the divine sonship of Jesus Christ, and of the reality of God the Father, people still believe what they want. One's reality is whatever one conjures up inside their own head. But that does not make it necessarily true.
I for one don't believe that Santa lives at the North Pole, and since I live in Canada, know for an absolute fact that our weather is somewhat mild. (gosh, I hope I don't get banned for saying that)
If we exist, God exists, simple as that, for it would be absolutely impossible for us to exist on our own merit without God, who creates and sustains us each moment of our lives.
Joseph Smith saw God the Father and also Jesus Christ, in person, face to face. Anti Mormons say Joseph Smith actually saw Satan, so we all admit he saw someone. No one has ever tried to dispute that fact. However, if it was Satan, that would mean there is also God, because why would there be only evil?
I have faith to believe that Joseph Smith saw God the Father, and also His Son Jesus Christ, that they were two separate beings, each with a glorified body of flesh and bone, in the likeness of man. The Bible states that man was created in the likeness of God, so why is it we can't all believe that?
While the arguments are flying against what I believe, basing their dispute on one or two beliefs: 1. God does not reveal himself to man 2. There can be no modern prophets, I continue to read more and more of their words, receiving revelation and indisputable confirmation that what I read is true. There is no end to revealed truth. It is all around us. The Holy Ghost bears witness to our soul of its truthfulness, and so it goes. One side growing in truth, while the other side argues it is not possible to believe such crock. If I didn't know it, and hadn't experienced what I have I may find it hard to believe too, but that is not the case. Of course there will be a lot of hard questions. Here is a sample of them.
http://www.mormon.org/question/faq/category/questions/0,8789,895-1-16,00.htmlIt is interesting that at Lions International convention it is politically correct to state that we are all of the same family of God, but it is not so correct to stand up for that in America. Pretty sad.
Who's on the Lord's side? (260)
http://www.lds.org/cm/catalogalphamp3/1,18331,4768-1,00.html?reportStart=71&reportEnd=76&searchPhrase=W#nullLinkI argue that the very essence of existance is on the Lord's side.
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