Posted by JLx on December 12, 2006, at 21:12:09
In reply to Help!! Re: malic acid magnesium questions, posted by Green Willow on December 12, 2006, at 19:42:59
> It's all a bit of a puzzle. I have osteoporosis that is caused by calcium malabsorption. The doctor was treating it with hydrochlorathiazide which helps the kidneys absorb calcium better + actonel. I did fine on that, but recently they did a vitamin D test and found that I am very low on Vit. D, 25-OH,D2 (only 4), so the doctor put me on low dose calcium + D. That made my heart pound, just like Magnesium does. Anyway, I was thinking I should try adding magnesium to the calcium and D, but nothing is working right now. I only tried adding mag. glycinate for 2 days, then tried malic acid for 2 days, without good results. Now I am having roaring tinnitis, bad facial and head sensations, extreme sensitivity to lights, and fullness in the head. Would welcome any ideas. Will doctor for appointment tomorrow. Thanks, GW
It is a puzzle, but that latter stuff sure sounds like magnesium deficiency symptoms.
Something I have observed as well as read of, is that supplementing with Vit D depletes magnesium. I have been experimenting with Vit D and when I take 2-4000 mg a day, I start getting cramps in my feet again and irritable like I do when I'm low on magnesium.
How much Vit D are you taking and how much calcium? I think if I were you I might try something like the magnesium chloride that comes in liquid form -- then you could just put some drops in a quantity of water and sip throughout the day. I just ordered some myself from Amazon so I can do that. Perhaps that would be more helpful than a certain amount all at one time. Perhaps it is the sudden influx that causes the heart pounding. The other thing I might suggest is to take an Epsom Salt bath, which is magnesium sulfate. Absorption through the skin may also be different.
Did your doctor have an explanation for the calcium malabsorption?
Have you ever tried another form of magnesium than mg glycinate? Magnesium malate is another one that can be put into water and then drank over a period of time. It has a slightly tart taste. (And I do believe it's different from malic acid).
You may already be familiar with Joseph Mercola's website. If not, he is a conventionally trained D.O. who has turned to alternative medicine. He has a clinic outside Chicago and has tested many of his patients for Vit D, and has written about it quite often. Here's one page about the tests and values: http://www.mercola.com/2002/feb/23/vitamin_d_deficiency.htm Your test was only *4*??? Why can't your doctor give you a Vit D shot? My understanding is that they can give shots up to 10,000 units or more, and this is a much more effective way of raising Vit D than orally.
It may also be possible that the meds you're taking are interacting with the supplements in some way.
Also don't forget food to increase magnesium. http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=75
I have been helped by magnesium so much after being so ignorant about all the calcium that I was eating and/or supplementing (with a calcium kidney stone to show for it!) that I'm very leery of the advisability of anyone taking calcium without magnesium. Especially as magnesium is depleted by stress, and who isn't stressed?
The heart pounding may be related to something else entirely too that the magnesium glycinate exacerbated or affected, and that may not have been due to the magnesium itself but to the chelation with glycine. The magnesium/amino acid chelates can be effective IF you want the result of the amino acid as well as magnesium. If not, there's magesium citrate, magnesium chloride, mg orotate, mg malate.
I think the key may be to find a way to take a gradual dose, however.
JL
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