Posted by Quintal on December 11, 2006, at 23:02:33
In reply to Re: Kratom, posted by verne on December 11, 2006, at 18:07:18
>I tried kratom a few times and noticed a slight opiate effect. I can't remember the doses but I far exceeded the usual both in tea (using the simmer a quart of water with the leaves down to a couple ounces of bitter extract) by chewing, and even trying to smoke it in a waterpipe. But any *high* was really weak and short-lived, followed by a long headache - one lasted 3 days. (and I rarely get headaches)
What is your usual opiate tolerance? I can feel the effect of 16mg codeine myself which is supposedly quite low. It's more a relief of chronic depression and nervous tension than a 'high' for me. The headache is strange - didn't have than problem myself, I had a lovely warm afterglow the next day! Did you try an alcoholic extract? I think I've read somewhere that mitragynine is lypophillic and can be hard to dissolve in water - you mostly get other alkaloids and pigments that way. The best way of getting the maximum dose of mitragynine is to soak the leaves in alcohol for a few days. This method seems to works best for me in any case.
>I got it from www.iamshaman.com They seem to get better marks for quality than most ethnobotanical suppliers.
How many have you tried? I read a dubious story on their wormwood page that made me very wary and suspicious:http://www.iamshaman.com/eshop/10Browse.asp?Search=Wormwood
That story about Tatha, "Goddess of Scotland", sounds like cr*p to me. I live near the Scottish border and have never heard anything like it. It seems designed to seduce a naive "New Age" American audience to my ears.
>For me it's not worth the headache or price to continue experimenting. I'm burned out on most of the "enthno"'s. Blue Lotus petals (not the Lily) from Nepal was the only thing that was truly worth smoking and it doesn't come close to pot. I mixed it with daminana or something neutral for burnability. Daminana powder by itself isn't bad in a waterpipe. Nice light sedation with a little body tingle thrown in.
There is a blend of herbs called 'Spice' available here in the UK that is generally considered equal to or better than skunk by most who try it. Here is a copy of the product description:
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Ingredients:
Baybean, Blue Lotus, Lion's Tail, Lousewort, Indian Warrior, Dwarf Scullcap, Maconha Brava, Pink Lotus, Marshmallow, Red Clover, Rose, Siberian Motherwort, Vanilla and HoneyUse Responsibly:
Not permitted for sale to persons under the age of 18Not permitted to be sold to the following territories due to sales restrictions:
USA, Australia, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Holland, Austria, Japan
--------------------------------------------------I've never tried Blue Lotus on its own. I've read it's good soaked in a bottle of red wine - adds a mellow, psychedelic edge to it?
I like to idea of using a portable electronic vaporizer to get a clean dose of active ingredient: http://www.everyonedoesit.co.uk/online_headshop/productCategory.cfm?sC=Vapir_Vaporizers&iProductCategoryID=16&iLastCatID=12
I wonder what regular doses of Kratom resin vapor would feel like?
Q
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