Posted by Larry Hoover on April 27, 2005, at 7:38:00
In reply to Testing and Store Bought Supplements, posted by coach on April 26, 2005, at 15:44:11
> Larry, In response to the statement:
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> > I appreciate the tests were being used as >feedback, but you don't say if you were taking >the correct stuff (storebought nutrients) >before using the Neuroscience products. Also, >all you speak of is urine testing. How did you >feel?
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> I would say this, The reason for the testing is to know exactly what is needed. Tests results as well as how you feel are taken into account. Its not just strictly test results but they do know what ideal levels are and what the theraputic levels and ratios should be. I most likely was not giving the perfectly correct supplements before and giving them in the most efficient ratios. You can overload the system. By going to the NS supplements I most likely was giving a more efficient supplement. I read on one website but I cant remember which one, that they saw problems with a person takeing a multivitamin because it was messing with their nutritional regimine they were trying to treat the person with.I thing the issues in debate are not the same on both sides of this conversation. I am not meaning to sound in the least bit dismissive, or sceptical. I'm unconvinced.
Your earlier posts were that taking the NS supplements affected urinary parameters. I asked about mood response, as it wasn't really clear, in that regard. You acknowledge mood response.
I'm a scientist, and I always want to know what's going on. But, at the same time, I'm always cautious in what I'll acknowledge that we can learn from a particular set of observations.
The NS supplements are correlated with changes in urinary components.
The NS supplements are correlated with improved mood? (you didn't really say).Correlations have four possible explanations.
1. Random chance sampling.
2. Variable A affects Variable B.
3. Variable B affects Variable A.
4. Both A and B are affected by a third variable, C.You state that NS supps lead to changes in urinary neurotransmitter content. I have no reason to doubt that, and the second type of correlation is most likely.
You state that NS supps lead to changes in mood. Again, the second explanation seems valid.
However, the hypothesis that changes in urine affect mood is not supported by the evidence, and we already know that the fourth type of correlation is in operation. Two variables, each separately correlated with a third variable, will also be correlated to each other. In other words, the urine output and mood changes are a chance correlation, simply because they have a common cause.
So, at the end of the day, I find no evidence that urinary components have any bearing whatsoever on the mood effectiveness of the NS supplements. My earlier hypothesis that the supplements will affect mood, as their primary effect, is not invalidated by anything NS or anyone else has ever published.
It is my sincere belief that they sell you the urinalysis for two reasons: to make even more money from you; and to give you a reason to believe in what they are doing. Faith in your caregiver is a good thing. Faith alone can improve response. But, in the end, all and everything taken into account, it comes down to eating supps and feeling better.
As a scientist, this is how I apply my training. And, as a person, this is how I judge it.
Lar
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