Posted by JLx on November 14, 2004, at 21:23:10
In reply to Re: SAMe , methylation etc » JLx, posted by tealady on November 14, 2004, at 20:02:55
> In your post you linked to http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20031104/msgs/278139.html
> you mention
> On the Alternative Mental Health site, in comments by Dr. Walsh of the Pfeiffer Clinic, http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/articles/walshQZ.htm#Ta, he says for the under-methylated (as I think I am, due to my positive response to SAMe in the past),
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> "Treatment focuses on the use of ANTIFOLATES such as calcium, methionine, SAMe, magnesium, zinc, TMG, omega-3 essential oils, B6, inositol, and A, C and E. The dose of inositol is 500 to 1000mg. Choline is anti-dopaminergic and often makes undermethylated patients worse. Also bad are DMAE, copper and FOLIC ACID"
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> OK..so what was your repsonse to SAMe in the past that made you think you were undermethylated (that sounds like you've run out of the metho:)Just that I *did* respond to SAMe which indicates undermethylation.
> Ane even more importantly what's this about FOLIC ACID and DMAE as well as choline making patients worse..
This was Larry's response to that post. http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20031104/msgs/278173.html Between that and what he said later, I took it to mean that he thought Pfeiffer was wrong, but to experiment oneself with folate to be sure.
> Did you ever get an answer on those? Caus I felt worse on choline and DMAE I suspect (last week)..and folic acid in itself did, at best, NOTHING for me.
> ..and I react strange to B12 too..Well, the subsequent discussion on choline and DMAE was inconclusive. I still haven't determined if lecithin is helpful or not. Just bought some recently to try it again. I took DMAE years ago and felt terrible on it. But that was in my premagnesium days when I also felt awful from tyrosine.
> I'm trying to work out a good combo to order in from the US...with things like
> TMG,
> NAC,
> P5P Now brand with the magnesium,
> Coenzymated B's (just in case for B2, B12)
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> Now what else are MUST HAVES to complete the group for optimal balance?I'm not sure.
> I do have some glucosamine sulfate chondritin sulfate, MSM powder combo bought last week..it does have a load of sugar in it...they all did.
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> if I have to get SAMe..I think it will have to be from the US..over here its about $90AUD for 60 tablets of 200mg (on special).. way dearer than CoQ10.
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> JanI think I'd just try the TMG then. From what Larry's said, it's less potentially harmful in not increasing homocysteine anyway.
JL
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