Posted by Lou Pilder on July 28, 2009, at 18:10:13
In reply to Lou's reply to Mr. Hsiung-antisemitism-nvragn, posted by Lou Pilder on July 28, 2009, at 15:50:22
> > > > > > > > > > > > C. If you could identify members here in your catagory in question, could you make a list of those in that catagory?
> > > > > > > > > > > > D. If so, could you email me that list or email it to someone that could email it to me?
> > > > > > > > > > > > E. Do you think that any people on a list like that, they saw their name on the list,could be led to feel put down?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > Here is the corrected link that contains the link notated Matt 27
> > > Lou Pilder
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080404/msgs/832720.html
> > > > > > > > > > > Please be sensitive to the feelings of others. For example, please don't suggest that anyone do anything that might lead others to feel put down.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > But please don't take this personally, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > More information about posting policies is in the FAQ:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Bob
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > > > > > > You wrote,[...don't suggest that anyone do anything that might lead others to feel put down...]
> > > > > > > > > > I do not see anything in my request that you cited that suggests that the poster in question could feel put down untill you could respond by posting answers to the following. If you could, then I could then have a better underdstanding of what you wrote to me and respond accordingly.
> > > > > > > > > > In regards to your TOS here that this board is for to ask for your rationales, have dialog concerning the actions that you take and the policy and rules here ect;
> > > > > > > > > > A. What is the criteria that you used to determine that my request could lead , I guess, the poster, to feel put down?
> > > > > > > > > > B. If it is someone other than the poster that you write that they could be led to feel put down, I guess, by them reading my request to another member, what could be your rationale for such?
> > > > > > > > > > C. Is asking that another email to anyone here the same as asking the member to post what they are requesting for them to email, if what is requested exists? . If so, could you post here your rationale for such?
> > > > > > > > > > D. In your TOS that you do what in your thinking will be good for the communitty as a whole, and that you would like others to try to trust you in that regard, could you post here what your rationale is that could make it good for the commnunity as whole for others to be restricted here to request from another member something about what they posted and why members are to try to trust you in that regard? If your reply contains aspects with my requests in A, B and C here included in any reply from you to me here, I think that that could go a long way for members to have a better understnding of the actions that you take here and then they could also have the opportunity IMO to post what IMO could be good for the community as a whole if they like. If you could, then I could post here all the outstanding requests from me to you, all of the outsdtanding notification from me to you, and them others could have the opportunity IMO to make their own determination about my concerns without emailing me.
> > > > > > > > > > E. If the same request could be posted here by modifying the request, what would be needed to put in that request, if there exists something to make it acceptable to be posted here?
> > > > > > > > > > F. Could a member request to another member that they apologize and if so, what could be in your thinking the differentiating criteria that could make that an acceptable request and requesting to email me would not?
> > > > > > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > > > > > If you are considering posting a reply here to my requests to you in this thrread, could you look at the posts in the threads that the following links bring up? If you could, I would like for you to consider what could be seen in those threads in any reply to me here that you may post.
> > > > > > > > > And to member interested in considering posting here in this thread, I would like for you also to look at the posts in the links and consider what can be seen there.
> > > > > > > > > If you are are further interested and would like to email me for additional infomation concerning the aspects here involved, I could email you links that could give further infomation regarding:
> > > > > > > > > A. What other psychiatrists/psychologists write regarding some aspects of the situation that can be seen here that IMO could offer you more understanding so as to post with more infomation
> > > > > > > > > B. The historical parallels to what can be seen here.
> > > > > > > > > C. Posts from here that might IMO could be very interesting in reagrds to what can be seen here as to if you are considering posting here in this thread or parallel threads.
> > > > > > > > > Here are some links that I would appreciate if interested members could take some time to explore.
> > > > > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > > > > > > lpilder_1188@fuse.net
> > > > > > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090702/msgs/907121.html
> > > > > > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090707/msgs/907122.html
> > > > > > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090707/msgs/906568.html
> > > > > > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090302/msgs/897756.html
> > > > > > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080709/mshs/841329.html
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > corrected link
> > > > > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080709/msgs/841329.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > > > You wrote to me,[...please be sensitive to the feelings of others...suggest to...]
> > > > > > > You have directed an accusation toward me and I do not appreciate it. Blamimg me for another's feelings because they wrote something here and I would like for them to clarify such by emailing me what they are wanting to mean is causing me distress that I did not expect from a psychiatrist that invites his guests to be part of a supportive and safe environment.
> > > > > > > Why are you blaming me here for another's feelings? What about my feelings? Do you have an idea of what it feels like as a Jew here to be characterized in the manner that you say you will allow to be posted without your notation in the thread where it appears to be not conducive to civic harmony and welfare of the community because it is in a link when you have also posted here that members are not to post links to sites that have anti-Semitic content? Do you know what it feels like as a Jew to be characterized as evil in a mental health community and you allow it? Do you know how it feels as a Jew when a rule is made to prevent me from posting more than 3 consecutive posts which could allow me to uncover anti-Semitic statements and others are not told to be civil when they use more than 3 consecutive posts? You want to claim negligence? You want to claim you don't have the time? You want to claim that it is impossible? Impossible? If so, what causes it too be impossible? Is that an exaggeration?
> > > > > > > You want others to trust you in what you do here. Can they also blame me for their feelings if I request from them to clarify what they wrote by emailing me? Could they not decline my request? How can I find out from them if they do not tell me? Use the notification so you can ask them? But there are outstanding notifications from me so what kind of expectation do I have that you would do so if that was a way? You write that in your TOS that you wil reply or post in the thread to a notification. Do YOu know how it feels when that is not done over and over when it is in your TOS that members have an expectation of?
> > > > > > > Perhaps someone greater than me will come by someday here that will find a way that will cause you to notate all the statements here that could to have the potential arrouse antisemitic feelings, or lead a Jew to feel put down, that you are allowing to stand. They may see it as humiliation toward Jews. You say it is in the past? I can see them in thhe present. You say that a match can start a forest fire? Well, I see an unquenched flame waiting for somone to pick it up and could carry it to other places. You say that the foundation of my faith(Judaism) if posted will put down others? Do you know how it feels for a Jew to hear that from a psychiatrist when he allows antisemitic statements to stand? You say that others can post what could lead a Jew IMO to feel put down because they believe it? And you say that it is good that they believe it? And I believe the commmandment to me from my God and you threaten to expell me here if I was to post what I believe? Do you know how it feels as a Jew to be held to different standards? And you want to blame me for another's feelings. Why is that good for the community as a whole? Do you want me to feel shame for requesting another to email me at their option? Do you want others to see me in a light such as that? If so, why? Do you know what it feels like as a Jew to feel that hostility has the potential to be arroused toward them?
> > > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > > If you are going to reply to me here, I would like for you to read the following and follow all of it's content and consider what can be seen in any reply to me here.. For members interested in an in-depth commentary , they could email me if they like.
> > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656322.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > I consider that an adminstrator of a mental health site is obligated to do all he can to make sure that antisemitic statements are notated as being uncivil here as other statements, in that could lead Jews to feel accused or put down.
> > > > > In the link to the post in question here, the last link in the post has statements that could lead a Jew to feel accused/put down that are left to stand. I would like for you to post here your rationale for allowing those statements about Jews to stand while you accuse me and blame me for the feelings of another because I request clarification or identification to be emailed to me concerning what they posted.
> > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > >
> > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > Could you also look into what is in the link offerd in the following post marked Matt 27 and read the whole chapter? If you could, could you then post here your rationale for allowing it to stand?
> > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080404/msgs/832720.html
> > >
> > >
> > Mr. Hsiung,
> > Here is a post that shows your attitude toward Jews and me as a Jew here. You are unwilling to sanction the following that could lead a Jew to feel put down or accused. The member posts a list titled;
> > [...The top 10 worst reasons for organized religion...]
> > Then in number 5 the member lists;
> > [...to foster any agenda that is not centered in Christ...]
> > You allow that antisemitic statement to stand. The Jew's agenda is not centered in the Christ that that member puts forth here in his/her posts. And the Jews do not consider that the agenda of their religion is to be put into a catagory of being a {worst} religion. And I as Jew am deeply humiliated by your attitude and action here, for as a Jew here I am asked to accept that you are doing what will be good for the community as a whole by allowing the antisemitic statement to remain without it being notated as uncivl by you. And you ask members to trust you in what you do here. This leads me to feel accused and put down by you. It also arrouses the fear that I could be a victim of antisemitic violence either physically or emotionally or psychologically by what is posted to me from you or your deputies or members.
> > Here is the link to the post and the statement in question is #5 in the second list.
> > Lou Pilder
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20040729/msgs/378930.html
>
> Mr. Hsiung,
> You are unwilling to post that antisemitic statements are uncivil in the following link. The statements are defamatory to Jews and thearfore IMO defamatory to humanity itself. You allow them to remain here without being notated as being uncivil. You think there is a difference between what is in a link and what is posted without a link. And you have posted that links with antisemitic content are not to be posted, period. Yet today, the statements stand out from a psychiatrist that has a rule to not post what could lead one to feel put down here.
> We Jews have a mission, it is called,{never again}. Never again will we allow the promotion of antisemitism for any reason, even if it is in a link. You say it is different. A chestnut horse is different froma palomino horse but they are both horses. They are just different colors.
> Look at what you allow here to remain unnotated as being uncivil
> http:www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/429282.html
> Then click on one of the links that brings up the defmation to the Jews of the worst kind. It is the kind that the Nazis used to arrouse hatred toward the Jews and promote the myth of the master race, used by Goebbles who killed his 6 children befor killing himself and Stricker who was hung as a war criminal.
> You go ahead and promote yourself and while you address audiances about thhe best of 2 worlds, you could look into the audiance and may see a third world, and see if you can see the 1 1/2 million Jewish children that were murdered by the Nazis who called the Jews the same things that are in the link that you are unwilling to notate as uncivil here. And see if you can see my face. You won't, for I would never go to see you. But you may see one in my place, riding a White Horse, and He will say to you, "If you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you have done it to me."
> Lou Pilder
>
There are two corrections in the post above. One id to the link's URL and the other is to a sentance that lost a word.
The statement should read that [...the statements stand out from a mental health site owned and operated by apsychiatrist that has a rule to not post what could lead one to feel put down...]
The corretced link is;
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/2004109/msgs/429282.html
poster:Lou Pilder
thread:908249
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090707/msgs/909038.html