Posted by Amelia_in_StPaul on June 18, 2009, at 15:02:34 [reposted on June 18, 2009, at 16:45:51 | original URL]
In reply to Re: Nadezda, posted by BirdSong on June 18, 2009, at 14:41:56
Birdsong, you have every right to respond to a post I wrote about you.
I don't know how to respond, though, without it seeming further like I am attacking you, so I am going to just let this sit for awhile, and not respond for a few days. This is not to ignore you, or to seem invalidating. I just cannot respond without a "you said, I said" type of email. I can't respond without pointing out this or that about this or that post, and that just would make this go on and on.
Do PLEASE reread my posts. I took great pains to point out that I momentarily felt you were being a smarty pants in your post to ME, not to DENEB.
You're right, of course, that my feedback to garnet may not seem supportive. But I have interacted with garnet more than anyone else except d/r, and I really, really appreciate her. She seemed to be in a lot of pain as a result of this interaction, despite her initial joy; and what I have been reading here, and most of what I have heard elsewhere, has not been positive in regards to pyschodynamic therapy.
To say to someone "run away from this" is a challenge. Challenges *are* a form of support. In DBT, at least in the way that one of the best in my metro area do it, support and challenges go hand and hand.
Okay. Now I am defending myself. I want to break this cycle between us.
So I'm going to end here and take a few days' break.
> Since this is a post about me I have the right to respond. I never mentioned my credentials at all until you mentioned your PhD in English and MA in Counseling Psychology, in the post to Garnet. In fact, no-one knew what I do, although I mentioned I worked with teens in DBT in the previous DBT posts.
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> Additionally, my very first post here was about an issue I was having with my T and my reaction to it. Very much a client reaction. Ironically you responded.
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> My posts to Deneb began because (a) there have been times on public forums where those types of interactions have resulted in police being called by others, which means that social services and FBI (internet) show up at their home after tracking IP addresses to ensure that the person is getting help (this happened to a client and it was a mess for that person) and (b) to point out that , while she claimed that she in not threatening suicide, there is a clear cycle of abandonment/rejection/spiral/punishment which was utilizing suicide which she denied, but her posts show otherwise; and is supported here which promotes it, and (c) to be clear that those behaviors can be helped by alternative therapies. It had NOTHING to do with being a "smarty-pants", but everything to do with the fact that something could be helpful in bringing an ADULT out of the pattern of behavior that would improve her quality of life. As one other member said there is a difference between support and enabling. Sometimes a "wake-up and look at your actions" helps opens ones eyes.
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> Now....where I crossed paths with you:
> My post to Garnet was based on both her earlier posts about her experience in beginning psychodyanmic therapy and personal mail I had with her regarding her type of therapy and what was occurring in her therapy. That is peer support. I am not sure how peer support is telling her to do another therapy mode when she has claimed that her recent therapy has given her more insight in 45 minutes than the other therapists she has seen. I was supporting her attempt to continue to work in the psychodynamic mode, while you were expressing your opinion and telling her to run away from it...(which is fine, but if you relook at my posts, they are supportive of her experience, her type of therapy and also the decision her pdoc made for her)
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> .....you can tell others your opinion, but there are clearly excellent uses of psychodynamic therapy. For example: Columbia University had an entire program dedicated to training T's and pdocs in object relations therapy for BPD and other PDs. The program has graduated some excellent psychodynamic Ts and the hospital was been known for years because of the program. For individuals with DID or fragmented selves, ego-states can be a great method for reaching the selves. Even the newer and "unique" methods for DID discuss the importance of ego-states therapy.
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> The reason so many here are in psychodynamic therapy is because it has some great uses, for the right client and with the right and correctly trained T.
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> The unfortunate thing about this entire issue, is that I think you and I agree that "alternative" therapy methods are extremely valuable.
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