Posted by alexandra_k on January 6, 2006, at 23:15:47
In reply to Re: Declan » alexandra_k, posted by zeugma on January 6, 2006, at 22:31:37
hmm.
i'm going on a dictionary hunt...
1 : to treat or operate with the hands or by mechanical means especially in a skillful manner
thats where Linehan emphasises that 'manipulation' is a SKILLFUL thing to do (and people learn skills of successfully manipulating their environment in skills training)
2 a : to manage or utilize skillfully
ditto
b : to control or play upon by artful, unfair, or insidious means especially to one's own advantage
hmm. malevolent intent...
3 : to change by artful or unfair means so as to serve one's purpose
hmm. malevolent intent again...
> it's a matter of judgement. whether what larry said was true. it seemed to me (and for this i will get blocked, but no matter) that they were trying to manipulate each other.in the skillful sense or in the malevolent sense?
i don't think you have bad intentions. bad desires. or that you would treat someone else unfairly in order to further your own ends :-(
and i think... it is judgemental to say that someone is doing this... and that... sometimes we can be our own worst enemy with attributing malevolent intent to ourself :-(
> i think sometimes the only manipulations i engage in are those for my personal gain.
:-(
that doesn't sound like the z i know...> and i don't like to manipulate others. and i understand why manipulating another can maake the other physically sick. that is my reaction to being manipulated. and to manipulating others. that's why i don't do it, unless it benefits me and isn't too much trouble. for this my conscience keeps me up too late.
is it...
about objectification?
its okay to manipulate the environment or inanimate objects...
but dehumanising to manipulate another person?
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