Posted by so on May 23, 2005, at 19:18:45
In reply to Re: or...., posted by gardenergirl on May 23, 2005, at 18:15:04
> > > Um, why would the rules for this board apply anywhere else? They are by definition Dr. Bob's unique rules.
Aka "terms". Civility is a common term that means many things to many people. In the way it is used here, the local definition does not differentiate itself from a generally accepted definition, unless one carefully examines print on other pages. In fact, one well-educated person has argued in this thread that civility as used here is in fact cohesive with not only a broad concept of civility, but also of adulthood. The phrase "Terms of service" as is routinely affixed to tens of thousands of network services conjugates to mean explicitly particular terms of particular services in particular contexts.
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> > And hence, terms of service for this site. "terms of service" is the standard reference to behavioral expectations published in support of networked forums. Civility is seldom, if ever, used to describe expectations of terms of service at other forums.
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> But it is part of the guidelines for posting here.Are you disagreeing that "terms of service" is a more specific description of the expectations at this site than "Civility" which is routinely misunderstood by some members to suggest a universal standard of civility?
>And if one is posting here, one must follow the guidelines here, just as when posting at a different site, one must follow the rules specified by that site. I'm not sure what the issue is. Dr. Bob's site, Dr. Bob's rules. Oma tupa, oma lupa; not mi casa, su casa.
> >If one posts here, they are asked to "be civil". If they post elsewhere, they are asked to comply with terms of service. The other matters you cite, such as thinking his house is my house, don't find a basis in my assertions.
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> > > Hmmm, I haven't read every word on this site, but I have never encountered any claim of ownership of the concept of "civility". Would you please provide a link or a quote?
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> > "Please be civil". What more evidence do we need than the statement itself? Either civility is what Robert Hsiung says it is, or it is a broader concept owned by society at large, which in this case does not always or even often align with expecations of his implicit terms of service.
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> I disagree. I can hold both concepts at the same time...being civil according to Babble and being civil according to society are different uses of the word and have different requirements.Do you have any concern for those who don't hold those same concepts at the same time? Is your capacity to hold those concepts evidence of everyones capacity to hold a view similar to yours?
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> > >The former is a request for a type of behavior and the latter is a characterization.
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> > And the request for a type of behavior, striclty, compliance with terms of service, characterizes non-compliance as less than civil, hence uncivilized. Does not the statement "Please wash your hands" imply that hands are unwashed and unclean?
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> Nope. It is simply (or merely) a request for a behavior to occur. Said behavior may be occuring on a regular basis prior to the request; it may have never occured; it may be occuring at the exact same time of the request; and any other iteration of repetitions or ommissions.Is the statement "please be civil" ever addressed to a particular individual here except in the context of instances where he asserts the behavior has not occured?
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> > > And this is really about making sure Dr. Bob gets enough sleep? awwwww
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> > Perhaps the administration could write a determination ....
> Perhaps he could. Are you requesting that he do so?You offered a definative citation. It says "perhaps."
>How do you define "critical service"?
One example of critical service would be a service described as occuring in potentially clinical milieu in which people occassionally present with the complaint that "I might die in the next few hours if I don't get help."
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