Posted by JonW on June 25, 2002, at 12:54:02
In reply to hiding suicide... » JonW, posted by krazy kat on June 25, 2002, at 11:00:54
> Dr. Bob had mentioned the news thing when he said he didn't want anything in static type about her death awhile ago.
I didn't know, after all, I'm somewhat of a newcomer and I didn't know Sar...
> Have you, or you Dr. Bob ;), ever tried to commit suicide? If so, was hearing about it what "drove you to it"?
I hope not! Without Dr. Bob, psycho-babble would be a such an "uncivil" place! ;-) We might accidentally say what we mean using our own words!
I personally have never attempted suicide -- I've been hospitalized twice, though. I think some people *attempt* suicide as a cry for help and some people use suicide as a "cure" to end their suffering. Personally, I've considered both. When it comes to using suicide as a cry for help, I didn't have the balls. When it comes to ending one's lifelong suffering -- I've come pretty damn close. Good think I didn't, though!
> A person who is suicide-prone is not going to go over the edge because of a news story about suicide or comments re: suicide on an internet site they just visited. One gets so self-involved when one is nearing suicide, so turned inward, that the outside world does not exist. A trigger
This is an excellent description of what it is like, or at least it matches how I was feeling. I was obsessed with suicide. It was a dark pleasure -- like a drug I'd do in private. It's all I would talk about with myself and all I would talk about with my loved ones. I'd think about what method would cause me and my family the least amount of pain. I'd think of how to do it to make an intelligent ironic statement -- one was hanging myself from a bridge above train tracks. Drowning seemed like a dark but warm embrace as my body would shut down. I would definitely do it at night in warm water. Anyway, it's hard to explain but there is a difference between feeling suicidal and being suicidal. The thoughts, the emotions, the sense is just so much darker. I'm sure you understand this, and as you've gone all the way I may not even understand as well as you do.
>And I've read Kay's book (I am prejudiced here - I don't like her much). She is a spotlight-
Oh you're breaking my heart! :) Kay Redfield Jamison is wonderful, not just anyone receives the MacArthur Fellows grant...
> Sar died. She died of either suicide or an overdose. She is gone. We, as people who have committed ourselves to this site for Dr. Bob's research, and to each other, deserve (and I mean DESERVE) a place to memorialize Sar.
I agree.
> I rarely get this flared up, but the concept of hiding something from someone just because it might "make" them do a certain act - it goes against every concept in this country (and Canada :), and where are you mist?).
I feel like such a hypocrite even suggesting the possibility of something that could be described as "hiding", but I thought the issue should be raised and I'm glad people are talking about it. I think we should do whatever's best for the community, whatever that is. For the record, I'm a freethinker and a humanist... so I'm all for our country's wonderful constitution!
Jon
p.s. Look at me, causing more controversy :)
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