Posted by tecknohed on February 12, 2008, at 16:20:24
In reply to Re: Nardil...Some newbie questions!!/tech, posted by tapmonk on February 12, 2008, at 12:00:48
> > > What happened with the caffeine?
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> > Felt like it desensitized dopamine response for me. Whether through some receptor downregulation or maybe just lowered DA turnover. Not exactly sure. What I AM sure of is that Nardil relies on its DA raising capabilities for its full PUNCH! Not something you want to play around with IMO. GABA, NE, SE & DA - what else could you ask for from a SINGLE med, especially for social anxiety. I just feel that Nardil is such a delicate & temperamental med that toying whith its effects will lead to the inevitable- poopout. Thats when you reach for the DRIs & DA agonists, etc to try & augment. I believe low DA is responsible for most Nardil poopouts.
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> > Nobody is the same. Its just a word of caution.
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> > teck
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> Very interesting; I'm certainly thinking twice about caffeine consumption now. Are there any energizing things that don't contain caffeine that would be OK?Yes there are. Meds - Wellbutrin (my fave), Reboxetine, tricyclic ADs of the NRI type like desipramine (must be done carefully) and Provigil, though I personally wouldn't favour the latter.
Alternatives: There are MANY. Heres a few I KNOW work (for me) - Ginseng (all over fatigue lifter), vinpocetine (for mind sluggishness) & acetyl-L-carnitine (for physical fatigue - my fave). There are lots of others that I haven't tried but you'll need to be carefull & go slow when combining ANYTHING with an MAOI.
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