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Posted by Quintal on August 24, 2007, at 6:20:34
She's back on the drugs again and attacked her bf, quite savagely it must be said, during this recent binge. They're talking about having her sectioned by the end of the week. Some of the photos are pretty disturbing.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,4-2007390406,00.html
That's BPD for ya.
Q
Posted by ClearSkies on August 24, 2007, at 8:10:12
In reply to Amy Winehouse *Major Triggers*, posted by Quintal on August 24, 2007, at 6:20:34
How very, very sad. So do you force help on someone who doesn't want it in order to save them, or do you stand back and take the photos? Or contact the newspaper if you were the taxi driver that whisked her away, as the bottom of the article asks? It's grotesque. Life under a bell jar, indeed.
cs
Posted by Jamal Spelling on August 24, 2007, at 8:45:39
In reply to Re: Amy Winehouse *Major Triggers*, posted by ClearSkies on August 24, 2007, at 8:10:12
Those scratch marks look scary. Someone once told me that a human bite has a greater chance of resulting in infection and tetanus than a dog bite.
Tragic. Imagine being her parents. And yet, when the golden limousine begins to skid, we all watch in anticipation of a memorable crash.
Jamal
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on August 24, 2007, at 9:16:18
In reply to Amy Winehouse *Major Triggers*, posted by Quintal on August 24, 2007, at 6:20:34
Ey up Q.
I thought she was bipolar rather then BPD?
And......Q.......The Sun??? Its hardly the most reputable newspaper in the world. They are well known for publishing things which just aren't true.
And that mascara thingy -- that is soooo photo-shopped on! I could do a better job of that. And those sratches on Blake's face look a touch more real, and why does he have that t-shirt wrapped round like that, but I still reckon its all made up.
As for her bandages on her arms...most probably SI.
Now, if I'd read it in The Guardian.........hehehehe.
Meri
Posted by SometimesBlue on August 24, 2007, at 10:12:46
In reply to Re: Amy Winehouse *Major Triggers*, posted by Meri-Tuuli on August 24, 2007, at 9:16:18
That is so tragic...I really love her music, and seeing her so troubled breaks my heart.
But honestly, if i were her parents, I would try everything in my power to get her away from her husband, those two are toxic to one another. I couldn't watch my child waste away without puttin up a fight...I know as a parent, it's gotta kill seeint your kid hurt themselves.
I cried when my son was sick and had to have an IV put in his arm, or when they get their vaccinations or blood drawn, just to see them scared or in pain kills me inside...i can't imagine her parents pain.
Posted by Phil on August 24, 2007, at 11:44:51
In reply to Re: Amy Winehouse *Major Triggers*, posted by Meri-Tuuli on August 24, 2007, at 9:16:18
http://music.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2155622,00.html
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Posted by Quintal on August 24, 2007, at 13:02:12
In reply to Re: Amy Winehouse *Major Triggers*, posted by Meri-Tuuli on August 24, 2007, at 9:16:18
I think there's a great deal of overlap between bipolar and BPD, and we don't have access to her notes either, so who knows? I mean why would you admit to BPD if you were a celebrity? At least bipolar has a bit of glamour to it, tortured genius and all that. Looking at her arms, her husband's face, and those tattoos I think she's well into the danger zone of BPD.
>and why does he have that t-shirt wrapped round like that, but I still reckon its all made up.
I wondered if she'd tried to go for his jugular with whatever instrument she was using - a knife? Glass? Maybe he was trying to protect her from being sectioned by covering up the extent and seriousness of his injuries?
>As for her bandages on her arms...most probably SI.
Yeah, I was writing a post on (my) SI for the psychology board when I read this article in the paper, but now it seems a little opportunistic. But I once went out with my forearms in the same state as her husband's face. My dad wanted to call an ambulance, he went bezerk, obviously. I thought he was over-reacting at the time, but looking from the outside I can see how scary it must be to see your child so out of control.
Both her parents seem fairly respectable middle-class types though don't they? Well you never know what goes on behind closed doors, but I know people don't behave like that without a reason. I don't think it started with her boyfriend.
"She was hospitalised earlier this month after a reported overdose of heroin, ecstasy, cocaine, ketamine and alcohol."
I feel outdone. How does one top such a feat?! I don't even the sex pistols came close to this at the height of their infamy.
Q
Posted by tofuemmy on August 24, 2007, at 19:39:12
In reply to Re: Amy Winehouse *Major Triggers*, posted by Meri-Tuuli on August 24, 2007, at 9:16:18
I know nothing about this woman....but:
1) a person can SI and not have BPD
2) a person can have bipolar disorder AND have BPD too. Sorta a double whammy.
Yeah, his cheek looks like it has razor blade cuts to me. And razor blades are plenty handy if one is majorly into drugs. It's so sad and I worry about the young people who may think this is all cool.
em
Posted by Quintal on August 24, 2007, at 20:15:23
In reply to Re: Amy Winehouse *SI Triggers* » Meri-Tuuli, posted by tofuemmy on August 24, 2007, at 19:39:12
I thought I sensed more anger than concern when I read your post em. I think there's another option here; it's possible that young people with similar problems and similar backgrounds may empathize with this woman, rather than seeing her behavior as cool and seeking to copy it. For these people she would be more 'comrade' than 'role model' - a fellow sufferer, someone that eases the burden of fear and isolation, rather than an example to aspire to. I think I've heard similar charges laid at the feet celebrities that 'outed' their homosexuality in less tolerant times.
Of course some otherwise healthy young people may well seek to imitate her behavior in the hope that this would make them 'cool', and yes, that would be tragic.
Q
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on August 25, 2007, at 0:11:23
In reply to Re: Amy Winehouse *Major Triggers* » Meri-Tuuli, posted by Quintal on August 24, 2007, at 13:02:12
Well...my sincerest apologies for not believing in The Sun! I'll be eating some humble pie then...
Still. Poor Amy!
Nah, even through her parents are middle class types, these things still happen. I mean, like you say, it just gets hidden. Anyhow, when I was at uni, it was the Upper Classes (and I suppose Uppper Middle Classes) that were the worst. Minor aristos really liked to indulge in way too much alcohol, cocaine, and whatever else, and weren't the most motivated of students either. And it happens at boarding school too....
Anyway so my apologies to The Sun.
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on August 25, 2007, at 0:18:39
In reply to Re: Amy Winehouse *Major Triggers* » Meri-Tuuli, posted by Quintal on August 24, 2007, at 13:02:12
Could they be his SI scars? Is that what you're saying?? Hmmm.
Yeah she was probably always like this to a degree. She pierced her own nose when she was 13 or something like that.
How do the parents help? There's nothing much they can do except offer love and support and acceptance.
Posted by Quintal on August 25, 2007, at 1:14:15
In reply to Re: Amy Winehouse *Major Triggers*, posted by Meri-Tuuli on August 25, 2007, at 0:18:39
>Could they be his SI scars? Is that what you're saying?? Hmmm.
No, I said I thought she had tried to go for his jugular - to slit his throat open and kill him. Those scratches look too fine and sharp to be done by her fingernails - so maybe it was a razor blade or a shard of glass? Maybe he wanted to protect her from being sectioned? So that could be one reason why he put a T-shirt round his neck - to keep the worst of his injuries hidden from the cameras.
Q
Posted by tofuemmy on August 25, 2007, at 9:17:19
In reply to Re: Amy Winehouse *SI Triggers* » tofuemmy, posted by Quintal on August 24, 2007, at 20:15:23
Your "sense" of my feelings was inaccurate. It was concern for the kids, and empathy for anyone apparently as crazy as I have been at times.
em
Posted by Quintal on August 25, 2007, at 11:10:32
In reply to Re: Amy Winehouse *SI Triggers* » Quintal, posted by tofuemmy on August 25, 2007, at 9:17:19
Posted by ClearSkies on August 29, 2007, at 16:09:21
In reply to Amy Winehouse *Major Triggers*, posted by Quintal on August 24, 2007, at 6:20:34
I read a transcript on the BBC website of an interview on BBC5 (I had no idea there were even 5 Beebs around) suggesting that her recording company should come clean and stop with all the "exhaustion" pleas.
It was a very moving interview. I'm sure it's hitting all sorts of nerves with me because of our current situation with my step daughter; but I agree that calling a spade a spade is pretty important. Passing off drug dependency as exhaustion is just about an accessory to the crime in my eyes.Also the verbage in the interview about "abuse of trust" got me upset as well. It's the same story but with different faces. So tragic.
CS
Posted by Quintal on August 29, 2007, at 16:35:01
In reply to Follow up interview with family, posted by ClearSkies on August 29, 2007, at 16:09:21
Thanks CS, do you have a link? They were on the front of The Sun today, apparently on holiday at some exclusive island, and family and friends feared they would do eachother in by the time they got home. They said her dad was threatening to ask fans to boycott her record sales in the hope of provoking reform, but I don't hold out much hope.
Q
Posted by ClearSkies on August 29, 2007, at 17:18:09
In reply to Re: Follow up interview with family » ClearSkies, posted by Quintal on August 29, 2007, at 16:35:01
> Thanks CS, do you have a link? They were on the front of The Sun today, apparently on holiday at some exclusive island, and family and friends feared they would do eachother in by the time they got home. They said her dad was threatening to ask fans to boycott her record sales in the hope of provoking reform, but I don't hold out much hope.
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> Q
Of course - I'm awfully lazy about providing links. I do think that a boycott would be in order, though perhaps not of much use.... She's already said that she didn't want to go to rehab.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6966944.stm
In any case, I do think it's important for a family's voice to be heard, particularly when they are in favour of getting someone help (and not bashing them). And like I said, I'm all triggered beyond belief with this story because of my step daughter's problems - "abuse of trust" keeps flashing into my head. We got her into a women's shelter this past weekend and she got herself right out of it. You just can't force someone to accept help if they aren't ready to do so. I read the morning paper's police blotter with trepidation each day. We know that with each escalation there is no corresponding step down :-(
CS
Posted by Quintal on August 29, 2007, at 17:49:51
In reply to Re: Follow up interview with family » Quintal, posted by ClearSkies on August 29, 2007, at 17:18:09
I think the problem is that the parents started off by trying to manipulate them into getting help instead of being open with them, so maybe they feel their trust has been abused too? It's a tough call. I'm sorry to hear you're having so much trouble with your step-daughter, I hope things work out for the better soon.
Q
Posted by ClearSkies on August 29, 2007, at 19:46:53
In reply to Re: Follow up interview with family » ClearSkies, posted by Quintal on August 29, 2007, at 17:49:51
> I think the problem is that the parents started off by trying to manipulate them into getting help instead of being open with them, so maybe they feel their trust has been abused too? It's a tough call. I'm sorry to hear you're having so much trouble with your step-daughter, I hope things work out for the better soon.
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> QYeah, well, I've been up front about the step daughter's problems all along, whereas others in the family may not have been. Her welfare is our primary concern at the moment, but often it comes across as "you should have done this" or "why didn't you do that" and degenerates from there, leaving me, glumly, to pick up the pieces, or not, as it happens. At the moment there are some kind of chinese whispers going on as she says one thing to one person and that gets extrapolated to someone else because she's not telling the whole story. So for the moment, I'm just sitting and waiting to hear it all from her own mouth, and discounting all others as "might be's". It's a dangerous game to play with one's own life.
Last I heard was that my step daughter wasn't planning to go to the therapy appointment tomorrow because her car isn't reliable transportation (that she got from us as a gift, yes) - yet she called US to make the report, and not the therapist. Her appointment is not with us, but with the other party - yet we are responsible. We throw our hands up in desperation. C'est incroyable!!! She can call us but not her own therapist? I have to walk away from such irresponisble behaviour and call it as I see it.
My message to her is steady and worrisome - that I'm afraid for her life and that the people that she chooses to be with will endanger her life. I've been persistent and consistent with this message to her for several weeks now, which would account for some of the silence. Who wants to hear that your step mother thinks that you're out to be killed, given your present path of behaviour? Well, yes, I am a wack-a-doodle, but my heart is in the right place.
cs
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