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Posted by KaraS on August 23, 2004, at 0:58:43
I know you're in "Daddy mode" now but before I forget I wanted to post some info for you. First of all, I misspoke about Dr. Pall and Alzheimer's research. The article was by Dr. David Perlmutter and Dr. Pall was mentioned in terms of Dr. Perlmutter borrowing from or building on Dr. Pall's research. It's an interesting article with dosing schedule and all - probably nothing you don't already know but it might be worth a look-see:
http://www.pcrm.org/health/prevmed/alzheimers.html
The other thing I wanted to post to you was about the phosphatydlserine issue. Here's the info from Dr. Sahelian's web site in case you're interested. (He plugs his own Irwin Naturals products in there too so beware.)
Posted by Larry Hoover on August 28, 2004, at 9:29:26
In reply to Supplements and Research - Larry, posted by KaraS on August 23, 2004, at 0:58:43
> I know you're in "Daddy mode" now but before I forget I wanted to post some info for you. First of all, I misspoke about Dr. Pall and Alzheimer's research. The article was by Dr. David Perlmutter and Dr. Pall was mentioned in terms of Dr. Perlmutter borrowing from or building on Dr. Pall's research. It's an interesting article with dosing schedule and all - probably nothing you don't already know but it might be worth a look-see:
>
> http://www.pcrm.org/health/prevmed/alzheimers.htmlExcellent article! I could kiss you! Oh, dear. Gabbi might not like that much.
My relational database brain really liked the way it tied different threads together. I will read this one over and over again, methinks, and springboard from it to other avenues of research. Yes!
> The other thing I wanted to post to you was about the phosphatydlserine issue. Here's the info from Dr. Sahelian's web site in case you're interested. (He plugs his own Irwin Naturals products in there too so beware.)
>
> http://www.raysahelian.com/phosphatidylserine.htmlI note that he does not provide an alternative source for the soya-based phosphatidylserine. Moreover, hidden way down near the bottom of the page, is the following:
" Michael Schmidt is Professor of Applied Biochemistry and Clinical Nutrition at Northwestern College of Health Sciences. He tells me, 'The DHA found in BC-Phosphatidylserine could have important effects. However, it’s possible when soy Phosphatidylserine is ingested that the body will take its own DHA and attach it to the phosphoserine head group, thus replacing the smaller chained fatty acids. Synthesizing phospholipids requires energy and effort. If Phosphatidylserine provides the phosphoserine head, then it will give brain cells a break from having to create it de novo.' "
So, the key to activating the soya PS is fish oil. The phospholipids in cell membranes have a high turnover, and they are routinely dissassembled and reassembled (to eliminate fatty acids damaged by oxidative stress, for example). If your body has DHA available, it will certainly incorporate it during turnover.
Lar
Posted by KaraS on August 28, 2004, at 16:45:09
In reply to Re: Supplements and Research - Larry » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on August 28, 2004, at 9:29:26
> > I know you're in "Daddy mode" now but before I forget I wanted to post some info for you. First of all, I misspoke about Dr. Pall and Alzheimer's research. The article was by Dr. David Perlmutter and Dr. Pall was mentioned in terms of Dr. Perlmutter borrowing from or building on Dr. Pall's research. It's an interesting article with dosing schedule and all - probably nothing you don't already know but it might be worth a look-see:
> >
> > http://www.pcrm.org/health/prevmed/alzheimers.html
>
> Excellent article! I could kiss you! Oh, dear. Gabbi might not like that much.
I don't think Gabbi would be threatened. I'm much too old for that. I just turned 49 - but I can still wear hip hop clothes for another year, eh? (OMG, you're turning me into a Canadian!)
> My relational database brain really liked the way it tied different threads together. I will read this one over and over again, methinks, and springboard from it to other avenues of research. Yes!
And to think I debated whether or not to send it to you! I'm so glad it gave you good information. Dr. Perlmutter has a book out called "Brainrecovery.com". He also has another one just out that I think repackages that one in a more commercial way for the masses. I just ordered it from the library. (They didn't have the "Brainrecovery" one.)I recently posted another article on the main board that King Vultan (Todd) thought might finally explain his problem with depression. Considering that I understand about 75% (at most and on a good day) of what either of you two usually have to say, I think I've done quite good for myself lately.
> > The other thing I wanted to post to you was about the phosphatydlserine issue. Here's the info from Dr. Sahelian's web site in case you're interested. (He plugs his own Irwin Naturals products in there too so beware.)
> >
> > http://www.raysahelian.com/phosphatidylserine.html
>
> I note that he does not provide an alternative source for the soya-based phosphatidylserine. Moreover, hidden way down near the bottom of the page, is the following:
>
> " Michael Schmidt is Professor of Applied Biochemistry and Clinical Nutrition at Northwestern College of Health Sciences. He tells me, 'The DHA found in BC-Phosphatidylserine could have important effects. However, it’s possible when soy Phosphatidylserine is ingested that the body will take its own DHA and attach it to the phosphoserine head group, thus replacing the smaller chained fatty acids. Synthesizing phospholipids requires energy and effort. If Phosphatidylserine provides the phosphoserine head, then it will give brain cells a break from having to create it de novo.' "
>
> So, the key to activating the soya PS is fish oil. The phospholipids in cell membranes have a high turnover, and they are routinely dissassembled and reassembled (to eliminate fatty acids damaged by oxidative stress, for example). If your body has DHA available, it will certainly incorporate it during turnover.
>
> LarSooooo why didn't Dr. Sahelian just come out and say that instead of going through all of that mental masturbation about whether PS is useful at all now that it's made from soy????? Sheesh! It's so frustrating sometimes but leave it to you to read the fine print!
Thanks again.
Kara
Posted by Larry Hoover on August 28, 2004, at 17:13:22
In reply to Re: Supplements and Research - Larry, posted by KaraS on August 28, 2004, at 16:45:09
> > > I know you're in "Daddy mode" now but before I forget I wanted to post some info for you. First of all, I misspoke about Dr. Pall and Alzheimer's research. The article was by Dr. David Perlmutter and Dr. Pall was mentioned in terms of Dr. Perlmutter borrowing from or building on Dr. Pall's research. It's an interesting article with dosing schedule and all - probably nothing you don't already know but it might be worth a look-see:
> > >
> > > http://www.pcrm.org/health/prevmed/alzheimers.html
> >
> > Excellent article! I could kiss you! Oh, dear. Gabbi might not like that much.
>
>
> I don't think Gabbi would be threatened. I'm much too old for that. I just turned 49 - but I can still wear hip hop clothes for another year, eh? (OMG, you're turning me into a Canadian!)I'm 47, by the by.
> > My relational database brain really liked the way it tied different threads together. I will read this one over and over again, methinks, and springboard from it to other avenues of research. Yes!
>
>
> And to think I debated whether or not to send it to you!Not sending would ensure I might never see it, non?
> I'm so glad it gave you good information. Dr. Perlmutter has a book out called "Brainrecovery.com". He also has another one just out that I think repackages that one in a more commercial way for the masses. I just ordered it from the library. (They didn't have the "Brainrecovery" one.)
>
> I recently posted another article on the main board that King Vultan (Todd) thought might finally explain his problem with depression. Considering that I understand about 75% (at most and on a good day) of what either of you two usually have to say, I think I've done quite good for myself lately.OK, modest girl, have you a link to that particular post?
> Sooooo why didn't Dr. Sahelian just come out and say that instead of going through all of that mental masturbation about whether PS is useful at all now that it's made from soy?????
Well, it isn't useful if you're the typical omega-3 deficient North American.
> Sheesh! It's so frustrating sometimes but leave it to you to read the fine print!
>
> Thanks again.
> KaraFine print is my specialty, Kara. You ought to see me with statute law.
Lar
Posted by KaraS on August 28, 2004, at 18:28:22
In reply to Re: Supplements and Research - Larry » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on August 28, 2004, at 17:13:22
Ok, this is my last post and then I'm going to leave my bat cave and go outside to get some fresh air and sunshine!
> > > I know you're in "Daddy mode" now but before I forget I wanted to post some info for you. First of all, I misspoke about Dr. Pall and Alzheimer's research. The article was by Dr. David Perlmutter and Dr. Pall was mentioned in terms of Dr. Perlmutter borrowing from or building on Dr. Pall's research. It's an interesting article with dosing schedule and all - probably nothing you don't already know but it might be worth a look-see:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.pcrm.org/health/prevmed/alzheimers.html
> > >
> > > Excellent article! I could kiss you! Oh, dear. Gabbi might not like that much.
> >
> >
> > I don't think Gabbi would be threatened. I'm much too old for that. I just turned 49 - but I can still wear hip hop clothes for another year, eh? (OMG, you're turning me into a Canadian!)
>
> I'm 47, by the by.
Unfortunately, it's different for men.
> > > My relational database brain really liked the way it tied different threads together. I will read this one over and over again, methinks, and springboard from it to other avenues of research. Yes!
> >
> >
> > And to think I debated whether or not to send it to you!
>
> Not sending would ensure I might never see it, non?
I didn't know whether it would just be repetitive for you and you were so busy and I had already bombarded you with so much of my nonsense...
> > I'm so glad it gave you good information. Dr. Perlmutter has a book out called "Brainrecovery.com". He also has another one just out that I think repackages that one in a more commercial way for the masses. I just ordered it from the library. (They didn't have the "Brainrecovery" one.)
> >
> > I recently posted another article on the main board that King Vultan (Todd) thought might finally explain his problem with depression. Considering that I understand about 75% (at most and on a good day) of what either of you two usually have to say, I think I've done quite good for myself lately.
>
> OK, modest girl, have you a link to that particular post?Not modest. Just honest. But despite my disadvantage in terms of knowledge and background in these things, I am quite determined to understand my issues and to fix them. Along the way I may get to help others which is a nice bonus.
Anyway, I think I posted that article hear as well. It was the Jay Goldstein, MD article about malfunctioning dopamine autoreceptors in CFS patients. I don't think he has CFS but it got him to thinking that the dopamine autorecptor problem could be his problem as well. Here's his response to the article and you can get the actual article from there:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20040825/msgs/382987.html
> > Sooooo why didn't Dr. Sahelian just come out and say that instead of going through all of that mental masturbation about whether PS is useful at all now that it's made from soy?????
>
> Well, it isn't useful if you're the typical omega-3 deficient North American.No, but all he had to say was that for the new PS formulation to be as good as the old bovine one, you need to make sure that you have enough omega-3 fatty acids. Instead he goes on and on about how it's probably no longer a useful supplement and don't waste your money on it. (or am I not interpreting the situation correctly?)
> > Sheesh! It's so frustrating sometimes but leave it to you to read the fine print!
> >
> > Thanks again.
> > Kara
>
> Fine print is my specialty, Kara. You ought to see me with statute law.
>
> LarI shudder to think!
-K
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