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Posted by KaraS on August 15, 2004, at 16:50:53
In reply to Re: what I'm taking » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on August 15, 2004, at 13:48:42
> > > > I'm sure Larry would laugh at all of our wise-cracks. (His girlfriend might not find it as funny.)
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> > > 'Twas she who brought them to my attention. :-)
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> > For reals? Does she read and post here too?
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> Maybe. :-p
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> She loves that *I* do, and loves me more for doing it.
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> Lar
>Hmmmm, now I'm thinking who else hasn't been posting for a couple of weeks.... I'm such a busybody!
-K
Posted by gabbix2 on August 15, 2004, at 20:10:40
In reply to Re: what I'm taking, posted by KaraS on August 15, 2004, at 16:49:19
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> How do you know? Were you there in the Swiss Alps too?No, I wasn't in the Alps ; )
Posted by KaraS on August 15, 2004, at 21:54:04
In reply to Re: what I'm taking, posted by gabbix2 on August 15, 2004, at 20:10:40
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> > How do you know? Were you there in the Swiss Alps too?
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> No, I wasn't in the Alps ; )
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>Hmmmm... could you be "the girlfriend"?
Posted by gabbix2 on August 16, 2004, at 14:04:59
In reply to Re: what I'm taking, posted by KaraS on August 15, 2004, at 21:54:04
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> Hmmmm... could you be "the girlfriend"?Oh Poor Lar, he doesn't even really have a girlfriend, I really shouldn't be saying this but truth be told he spent his "vacation" in his mothers basement watching Star Trek re-runs. (He even has a Trekkie Hat)
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Posted by Larry Hoover on August 16, 2004, at 14:20:56
In reply to Re: what I'm taking » KaraS, posted by gabbix2 on August 16, 2004, at 14:04:59
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> > Hmmmm... could you be "the girlfriend"?
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> Oh Poor Lar, he doesn't even really have a girlfriend, I really shouldn't be saying this but truth be told he spent his "vacation" in his mothers basement watching Star Trek re-runs. (He even has a Trekkie Hat)
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> >ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!
Oh, geez....
Posted by Simus on August 16, 2004, at 17:04:11
In reply to Re: what I'm taking » KaraS, posted by gabbix2 on August 16, 2004, at 14:04:59
> > Hmmmm... could you be "the girlfriend"?
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> Oh Poor Lar, he doesn't even really have a girlfriend, I really shouldn't be saying this but truth be told he spent his "vacation" in his mothers basement watching Star Trek re-runs. (He even has a Trekkie Hat)
NO!!! SAY IT AIN'T SO, LARRY!Simus
P.S. You and Kara are too funny!
Posted by KaraS on August 16, 2004, at 23:46:16
In reply to Re: what I'm taking » KaraS, posted by gabbix2 on August 16, 2004, at 14:04:59
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> > Hmmmm... could you be "the girlfriend"?
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> Oh Poor Lar, he doesn't even really have a girlfriend, I really shouldn't be saying this but truth be told he spent his "vacation" in his mothers basement watching Star Trek re-runs. (He even has a Trekkie Hat)
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>I take it that's a "yes"?
Posted by KaraS on August 16, 2004, at 23:52:18
In reply to Re: what I'm taking » gabbix2, posted by Larry Hoover on August 16, 2004, at 14:20:56
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> > > Hmmmm... could you be "the girlfriend"?
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> > Oh Poor Lar, he doesn't even really have a girlfriend, I really shouldn't be saying this but truth be told he spent his "vacation" in his mothers basement watching Star Trek re-runs. (He even has a Trekkie Hat)
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> ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!
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> Oh, geez....
I still don't know what ROTFL stands for let alone ROTFLMAO!!!!!P.S. I have some Spock ears I could sell him for a really good price.
Posted by Larry Hoover on August 17, 2004, at 7:55:37
In reply to Re: what I'm taking, posted by KaraS on August 16, 2004, at 23:52:18
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> > > > Hmmmm... could you be "the girlfriend"?
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> > > Oh Poor Lar, he doesn't even really have a girlfriend, I really shouldn't be saying this but truth be told he spent his "vacation" in his mothers basement watching Star Trek re-runs. (He even has a Trekkie Hat)
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> > ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!
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> > Oh, geez....
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> I still don't know what ROTFL stands for let alone ROTFLMAO!!!!!Rolling On The Floor Laughing (My A@# Off)
> P.S. I have some Spock ears I could sell him for a really good price.
>Don't be appealling so to my Scot's heritage, 'kay? I may not need them for anything, but that "really good price" got my attention.
Lar
Posted by KaraS on August 17, 2004, at 16:23:34
In reply to Re: what I'm taking » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on August 17, 2004, at 7:55:37
>I still don't know what ROTFL stands for let alone ROTFLMAO!!!!!
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> Rolling On The Floor Laughing (My A@# Off)
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Makes a lot more sense than "Rounding out the Top Five List with Monoamine Oxidase" (Yet another sign I'm spending too much time on Psycho-Babble!)
Posted by Simus on August 17, 2004, at 22:06:33
In reply to Re: ROTFLMAO!!! » Larry Hoover, posted by KaraS on August 17, 2004, at 16:23:34
> >I still don't know what ROTFL stands for let alone ROTFLMAO!!!!!
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> > Rolling On The Floor Laughing (My A@# Off)
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> Makes a lot more sense than "Rounding out the Top Five List with Monoamine Oxidase" (Yet another sign I'm spending too much time on Psycho-Babble!)
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HA!!! Kara, you are something else! ;)Simus
Posted by Simus on August 17, 2004, at 22:17:48
In reply to Re: what I'm taking » Simus, posted by Larry Hoover on August 14, 2004, at 12:15:08
> One simple test of adrenal stress is to try some licorice. Do not use DGL, though. That is De-Glycyrrhizinated Licorice. Glycyrrhizin is the compound that blocks the enzyme that activates cortisol. I'll snip from an unreferenced source...."Glycyrrhetinic acid, a metabolite of glycyrrhizin, inhibits the renal conversion of cortisol to cortisone by inhibiting the enzyme 11 beta-hydroxysteroiddehydrogenase in the kidney." Cortisol is "potential cortisone", in the sense that circulating cortisol levels tell the hypothalamus that the adrenal glands are functioning up to par. By inhibiting conversion to cortisone, you not only reduce stress response, you also trick the hypothalamus into giving the adrenals a little holiday, by inhibiting the CRH cascade. Don't take licorice for more than four weeks. It can lead to other disturbances.
Larry,
If I took licorice, what would I be looking for as proof that I do indeed have adrenal stress? Just more energy or feeling better overall? Or is there something more specific?
Thanks,
Simus
Posted by Simus on August 17, 2004, at 22:21:37
In reply to Re: what I'm planning on trying » Simus, posted by Larry Hoover on August 14, 2004, at 12:55:59
> By way of anecdote, my trial last spring of Enada NADH (along with additional niacinamide) not only provided me with unprecedented energy and resiliency, but my allergies were virtually absent. I typically require double-doses of allergy meds, along with inhaled steroids, just to remain functional. But not during that trial.
What is Enada NADH???
Simus
Posted by KaraS on August 17, 2004, at 22:29:20
In reply to Re: ROTFLMAO!!! » KaraS, posted by Simus on August 17, 2004, at 22:06:33
Simus,
So good to see you posting again. I honestly thought that my list had scared you away.
What day is your doctor's appointment?
Kara
Posted by KaraS on August 17, 2004, at 22:33:48
In reply to Re: what I'm planning on trying, posted by Simus on August 17, 2004, at 22:21:37
> > By way of anecdote, my trial last spring of Enada NADH (along with additional niacinamide) not only provided me with unprecedented energy and resiliency, but my allergies were virtually absent. I typically require double-doses of allergy meds, along with inhaled steroids, just to remain functional. But not during that trial.
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> What is Enada NADH???
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> Simus
>
Until Larry can add more, you might want to check out this link. (It's short.)
Posted by Simus on August 17, 2004, at 23:37:59
In reply to Re: ROTFLMAO!!! » Simus, posted by KaraS on August 17, 2004, at 22:29:20
> Simus,
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> So good to see you posting again. I honestly thought that my list had scared you away.
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> What day is your doctor's appointment?
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> KaraSorry. I had house guests for a while. I tried to make an appointment today but I had an old phone number that is no longer in use. I will try again tomorrow armed with the right number.
Simus
P.S. I read all the posts. Thanks for the laughs! (HA!!! Who else but you would come up with such a bizarre meaning for ROTFLMAO???)
Posted by Simus on August 17, 2004, at 23:41:33
In reply to Re: NADH » Simus, posted by KaraS on August 17, 2004, at 22:33:48
> > > By way of anecdote, my trial last spring of Enada NADH (along with additional niacinamide) not only provided me with unprecedented energy and resiliency, but my allergies were virtually absent. I typically require double-doses of allergy meds, along with inhaled steroids, just to remain functional. But not during that trial.
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> > What is Enada NADH???
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> > Simus
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> Until Larry can add more, you might want to check out this link. (It's short.)
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> http://healthinfo.healthgate.com/GetContent.aspx?token=e0498803-7f62-4563-8d47-5fe33da65dd4&chunkiid=21810
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Wow. Almost sounds too good to be true. Sorry to sound ignorant, but would this be in the same family as co-Q10?Simus
Posted by KaraS on August 17, 2004, at 23:53:33
In reply to Re: what I'm taking » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on August 17, 2004, at 7:55:37
This long, long post has come full circle now (back to the original topic) and is still going strong. I wonder if it's one of the longest ever on Psycho-Babble. I think there should be prizes for such an accomplishment. (How about it, Dr. Bob?)
Please, Don Pardo, tell us what we've won!
But seriously now, I am struggling here to get the motivation and the focus to work on a spreadsheet for my temp job. I'm embarrassed that it's taking so long but I'm having the hardest time doing it.
I need to get more functional and fast!! I need to start treating the brain fog and the adrenal fatigue quickly. (There are some questions coming, I promise.) I've been reading that book on adrenal fatigue, the article Larry recommended on it, lots of posts etc. on treatment of depression, a Dr. Pall article on supplements for mental conditions and I've come up with a list of supplements and meds. The adrenal fatigue sources advise lots of supplements. I'm overwhelmed by the list and I can't afford to take all of them anyway. I need to select some and devise a program for myself.
Larry, if you were in my situation and you had limited funds, which of the following would you choose to take for motivation, focus and adrenal fatigue?
Ginkgo
SJW (Jarrow formula - no more Perika)
selegiline
DLPA
tyrosine
TMG and B12
Enada NADH
green tea extract
picamilon
Coenzyme Q10
ALA
NAC
DMAE
ALC
phosphatydlserine
piracetam or pramiracetam
hydergine
centrophenoxine
digestive enzymes
quercetin/bromelain (I know it overlaps but I
already have some of this at home.)
licorice and/or other adaptogen
green drink (with tons of antioxidants)
probiotics (Enzymatic Therapy pearls)I'm going to add exercise and and some cognitive therapy (jouraling).
It's not my thyroid. I'm on the right amount of hormone for that.
I've probably forgotten a bunch of things. Keep in mind that I already have at home now quite a bit of DMAE, selegiline, Jarrow SJW, NAC, tyrosine, B12, quercetin/bromelain, Enzymatic Therapy Pearls, maca and a little bit of ALC, ALA and picamilon.
I know that it's impossible to give me a quick answer that's going to take away all of my depression and functionality problems - but I want one nonetheless. Seriously, what seems like a reasonable approach to begin making me functional again?
- Desperate in LA
Posted by KaraS on August 18, 2004, at 0:24:52
In reply to Re: ROTFLMAO!!! » KaraS, posted by Simus on August 17, 2004, at 23:37:59
> > Simus,
> >
> > So good to see you posting again. I honestly thought that my list had scared you away.
> >
> > What day is your doctor's appointment?
> >
> > Kara
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> Sorry. I had house guests for a while. I tried to make an appointment today but I had an old phone number that is no longer in use. I will try again tomorrow armed with the right number.
>
> Simus
>
> P.S. I read all the posts. Thanks for the laughs! (HA!!! Who else but you would come up with such a bizarre meaning for ROTFLMAO???)
Glad I could provide you with more ROTFLMAO!
Posted by KaraS on August 18, 2004, at 0:33:42
In reply to Re: NADH » KaraS, posted by Simus on August 17, 2004, at 23:41:33
> > > > By way of anecdote, my trial last spring of Enada NADH (along with additional niacinamide) not only provided me with unprecedented energy and resiliency, but my allergies were virtually absent. I typically require double-doses of allergy meds, along with inhaled steroids, just to remain functional. But not during that trial.
> > >
> > > What is Enada NADH???
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> > > Simus
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> > Until Larry can add more, you might want to check out this link. (It's short.)
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> > http://healthinfo.healthgate.com/GetContent.aspx?token=e0498803-7f62-4563-8d47-5fe33da65dd4&chunkiid=21810
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> >
> Wow. Almost sounds too good to be true. Sorry to sound ignorant, but would this be in the same family as co-Q10?
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> Simus
I don't think they're related though the same people would be drawn to them. Enada NADH is very expensive. I've also read that it doesn't take long to build a tolerance to it so it's not something you can use everyday (as opposed to co-Q10). I'm not sure that Larry had that experience with it. I can't remember why he isn't still taking it.Here's another link from Dr. Ray Sahelian. He mentions some case studies of people using it.
http://www.raysahelian.com/nadh.html
I have tried 5 mg. sublingually but didn't have much effect. I think I needed to try more of it and over a period of time. (Then again I'm beginning to think that nothing short of an atomic bomb could get my system moving again.)
-K
Posted by Simus on August 18, 2004, at 1:09:51
In reply to Re: Supplements for brain fog » Larry Hoover, posted by KaraS on August 17, 2004, at 23:53:33
Kara,
I'm sorry you are still having such a rough time.
I know I am no Larry, but could I ask if you get at least 2000mg of vitamin C and 1000mg pantothenic acid (B5) a day for the adrenal fatigue?
May things turn around for you very soon. You deserve a better life than this.
Simus
Posted by KaraS on August 18, 2004, at 1:48:06
In reply to Re: Supplements for brain fog » KaraS, posted by Simus on August 18, 2004, at 1:09:51
> Kara,
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> I'm sorry you are still having such a rough time.
>
> I know I am no Larry, but could I ask if you get at least 2000mg of vitamin C and 1000mg pantothenic acid (B5) a day for the adrenal fatigue?
>
> May things turn around for you very soon. You deserve a better life than this.
>
> Simus
I take about 1,000 mg. vit C a day and 125 mg. of B5 now. I'll increase to 2,000 C and put B5 on the list to order. (I also take between 400-800 mg. magnesium a day.)THANKS!
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 18, 2004, at 19:03:16
In reply to Re: Supplements for brain fog » Larry Hoover, posted by KaraS on August 17, 2004, at 23:53:33
> This long, long post has come full circle now (back to the original topic) and is still going strong. I wonder if it's one of the longest ever on Psycho-Babble...
I just replied over at PBA:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20040717/msgs/379227.html
Bob
Posted by Larry Hoover on August 19, 2004, at 10:00:29
In reply to Re: Supplements for brain fog » Larry Hoover, posted by KaraS on August 17, 2004, at 23:53:33
Dear Desperate in LA,
> This long, long post has come full circle now (back to the original topic) and is still going strong. I wonder if it's one of the longest ever on Psycho-Babble. I think there should be prizes for such an accomplishment. (How about it, Dr. Bob?)
Not even close, Kara.
> Please, Don Pardo, tell us what we've won!
Free advice! May be worht what you pay for it!
> But seriously now, I am struggling here to get the motivation and the focus to work on a spreadsheet for my temp job. I'm embarrassed that it's taking so long but I'm having the hardest time doing it.
Too busy on the Internet?
> I need to get more functional and fast!! I need to start treating the brain fog and the adrenal fatigue quickly. (There are some questions coming, I promise.) I've been reading that book on adrenal fatigue, the article Larry recommended on it, lots of posts etc. on treatment of depression, a Dr. Pall article on supplements for mental conditions and I've come up with a list of supplements and meds. The adrenal fatigue sources advise lots of supplements. I'm overwhelmed by the list and I can't afford to take all of them anyway. I need to select some and devise a program for myself.
You can't just start taking handfuls of stuff, blindly. Even Pall had a dosing schedule, that added stuff over time. I gotta find those private emails....
> Larry, if you were in my situation and you had limited funds, which of the following would you choose to take for motivation, focus and adrenal fatigue?
>
> Ginkgo (yes)
> SJW (Jarrow formula - no more Perika) (if depressed too)
> selegiline (don't know. probbly. metabolizes to amphetamine)
> DLPA (yes)
> tyrosine (probbly)
> TMG and B12 (yes, to both)
> Enada NADH (if other stuff didn't work first)
> green tea extract (dunno)
> picamilon (dunno....probbly sedating)
> Coenzyme Q10 (yes)
> ALA (alphalipoic acid? definitely)
> NAC (not sure...forget)
> DMAE (dunno)
> ALC (if it's cheap)
> phosphatydlserine (probbly sedating, might help with tension)
> piracetam or pramiracetam (dunno)
> hydergine (dunno)
> centrophenoxine (really dunno)
> digestive enzymes (yes)
> quercetin/bromelain (I know it overlaps but I
> already have some of this at home.) (for sure, then)
> licorice and/or other adaptogen (Licorice isn't an adaptogen. It rests the adrenals, but is only for short-term use. Adaptogens are the ginsengs, for example)
> green drink (with tons of antioxidants) (sure, why not)
> probiotics (Enzymatic Therapy pearls) (if you got 'em)
>
> I'm going to add exercise and and some cognitive therapy (jouraling).Good ideas.
> It's not my thyroid. I'm on the right amount of hormone for that.
Some people don't do well with synthetic thyroid hormones, despite blood work saying they should be fine. That's why some people swear by Armour.
> I've probably forgotten a bunch of things. Keep in mind that I already have at home now quite a bit of DMAE, selegiline, Jarrow SJW, NAC, tyrosine, B12, quercetin/bromelain, Enzymatic Therapy Pearls, maca and a little bit of ALC, ALA and picamilon.Well, you already invested in those, eh?
> I know that it's impossible to give me a quick answer that's going to take away all of my depression and functionality problems - but I want one nonetheless.I think I done OK.
> Seriously, what seems like a reasonable approach to begin making me functional again?
>
> - Desperate in LAPatience. You didn't get sick in one day.....
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on August 19, 2004, at 10:09:33
In reply to Re: NADH » Simus, posted by KaraS on August 18, 2004, at 0:33:42
> > Wow. Almost sounds too good to be true. Sorry to sound ignorant, but would this be in the same family as co-Q10?
> >
> > SimusIgnorance is the normal human condition. Those with initiative rise above it.
Co-Q10 is also known as ubiquinone. It's one of two key chemicals required for your mitochondria to produce ATP, the universal energy source for all the rest of the stuff your body does. The other key chemical is NADH.
Alphalipoic acid helps protect ubiquinone and NADH, too.
> I don't think they're related though the same people would be drawn to them. Enada NADH is very expensive.
It can be expensive, I suppose, but no more than a Starbucks coffee is an expensive thing. CoQ10 and NADH are related, and both are promising for the same group.
> I've also read that it doesn't take long to build a tolerance to it so it's not something you can use everyday (as opposed to co-Q10).
True and true.
> I'm not sure that Larry had that experience with it. I can't remember why he isn't still taking it.
Neither can I. Actually, I did it too frequently (became irritable), and it did make my insomnia worse (diminishing returns).
> Here's another link from Dr. Ray Sahelian. He mentions some case studies of people using it.
>
> http://www.raysahelian.com/nadh.htmlGood link. Covers the bases well.
> I have tried 5 mg. sublingually but didn't have much effect. I think I needed to try more of it and over a period of time. (Then again I'm beginning to think that nothing short of an atomic bomb could get my system moving again.)
>
> -KTake six grams of TMG and see if you still feel that way. ;-)
Lar
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