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Posted by Lou Pilder on March 6, 2008, at 7:28:27
Mr Hsiung,
In reading your opening page for the faith forum and your rules and such for it, there now brings to me more concerns that I would like to have discussion here with you about in regards to your rules and such.
In regards to that you say that it is fine to ask you for your rationale for something here, it is your rationale for writing here that you will expell me from the forum if I was to post,[...that I XXX (the foundation of Judaism)...] that I would like to have discussion with you about. There are now new posts by you that could IMO have new light to be given to your rationale since your original posting of your rationale which I am unsure of as to what you are wanting to mean. This involves what could be your definition, or criteria used, that determine as to if what is written could or could not lead a Jew, as myself, to feel put down or not.
In any reply that you may post here to me, could you include that you do, or do not, have an understanding that the Jews commandments to them, given by Moses from their God to them that they worship, was to them as believers, as they already were believers since they experianced the supernatural deliverance from bondage and the parting of the sea, and the death of all the first-born unless the blood of a lamb was put over their door, and other supernatural happenings by their God and believed in that God that did such?
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 14, 2008, at 9:41:48
In reply to Lou's request to Robert Hsiung-, posted by Lou Pilder on March 6, 2008, at 7:28:27
> Mr Hsiung,
> In reading your opening page for the faith forum and your rules and such for it, there now brings to me more concerns that I would like to have discussion here with you about in regards to your rules and such.
> In regards to that you say that it is fine to ask you for your rationale for something here, it is your rationale for writing here that you will expell me from the forum if I was to post,[...that I XXX (the foundation of Judaism)...] that I would like to have discussion with you about. There are now new posts by you that could IMO have new light to be given to your rationale since your original posting of your rationale which I am unsure of as to what you are wanting to mean. This involves what could be your definition, or criteria used, that determine as to if what is written could or could not lead a Jew, as myself, to feel put down or not.
> In any reply that you may post here to me, could you include that you do, or do not, have an understanding that the Jews commandments to them, given by Moses from their God to them that they worship, was to them as believers, as they already were believers since they experianced the supernatural deliverance from bondage and the parting of the sea, and the death of all the first-born unless the blood of a lamb was put over their door, and other supernatural happenings by their God and believed in that God that did such?
> Lou PilderMr. Hsiung,
This is my reminder that I would like to hace discussion with you about my concerns in the above.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 30, 2008, at 16:44:44
In reply to Lou's request to Robert Hsiung-shvnough, posted by Lou Pilder on March 14, 2008, at 9:41:48
> > Mr Hsiung,
> > In reading your opening page for the faith forum and your rules and such for it, there now brings to me more concerns that I would like to have discussion here with you about in regards to your rules and such.
> > In regards to that you say that it is fine to ask you for your rationale for something here, it is your rationale for writing here that you will expell me from the forum if I was to post,[...that I XXX (the foundation of Judaism)...] that I would like to have discussion with you about. There are now new posts by you that could IMO have new light to be given to your rationale since your original posting of your rationale which I am unsure of as to what you are wanting to mean. This involves what could be your definition, or criteria used, that determine as to if what is written could or could not lead a Jew, as myself, to feel put down or not.
> > In any reply that you may post here to me, could you include that you do, or do not, have an understanding that the Jews commandments to them, given by Moses from their God to them that they worship, was to them as believers, as they already were believers since they experianced the supernatural deliverance from bondage and the parting of the sea, and the death of all the first-born unless the blood of a lamb was put over their door, and other supernatural happenings by their God and believed in that God that did such?
> > Lou Pilder
>
> Mr. Hsiung,
> This is my reminder that I would like to hace discussion with you about my concerns in the above.
> Lou PilderMr. Hsiung,
In accordance with you reminder procedure to keep reminding you, I am requesting that we have discussion concerning the above in relation to that it is fine to ask for your rationale, and discuss policy and rules and actions taken by the administration here.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Sigismund on April 15, 2008, at 15:16:44
In reply to Lou's request to Robert Hsiung-March 6, posted by Lou Pilder on March 30, 2008, at 16:44:44
Well, what's the problem with this?
Lou, does your idea (of the foundations of?) Judaism in some way preclude the idea that other faiths have validity and a place in the world?
Is that the problem?
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 15, 2008, at 17:19:27
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Robert Hsiung-March 6 » Lou Pilder, posted by Sigismund on April 15, 2008, at 15:16:44
> Well, what's the problem with this?
>
> Lou, does your idea (of the foundations of?) Judaism in some way preclude the idea that other faiths have validity and a place in the world?
>
> Is that the problem?Sigismund,
You wrote,[...what is the problem with {this}?...] and, [...does your idea (of the foundation of Jewdaism in some way {preclude} the idea that other faiths have validity...?]my answer is {no}, but could you explain what is is concerning this thread that could cause you to write such? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
I would like to reply to the above , however the grammatical structure of your statement has for me a want for clarification as to what you are wanting to mean by {this}, as in your statement, [...what is the {problem} with this...]. Could you post here what the {this} is?
Lou
Posted by Sigismund on April 15, 2008, at 18:57:18
In reply to Lou's request to Robert Hsiung-, posted by Lou Pilder on March 6, 2008, at 7:28:27
I was thinking about this, Lou......
>In regards to that you say that it is fine to ask you for your rationale for something here, it is your rationale for writing here that you will expell me from the forum if I was to post,[...that I XXX (the foundation of Judaism)...]
For some reason it has been determined that for you to post about the foundations of Judaism would be uncivil?
(I can't see see why that should be.)
But is that it?
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 15, 2008, at 19:54:20
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Robert Hsiung- » Lou Pilder, posted by Sigismund on April 15, 2008, at 18:57:18
> I was thinking about this, Lou......
>
> >In regards to that you say that it is fine to ask you for your rationale for something here, it is your rationale for writing here that you will expell me from the forum if I was to post,[...that I XXX (the foundation of Judaism)...]
>
>
> For some reason it has been determined that for you to post about the foundations of Judaism would be uncivil?
> (I can't see see why that should be.)
> But is that it?Sigismund,
You wrote,[...the foundation of Judaism would be...?]
I have requested from Mr.Hsiung in regards to his TOS here in that it is fine to discuss {actions he has taken} in regards to the action that he has taken that he writes that it is good for a member here to believe that,[...For the law came by Moses, {but} grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. (a foundation of Christiandom).
Let us look at the thread involved here.(citation hpcr9)
In the thread, if there are issues involved that are concerning actions that Mr. Hsiung has taken, rules, policy and outstanding requests and requests for rationales, if you see something that you would like some clarification for, please just ask.
Lou
citation hpcr9
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20060614/msgs/735373.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 15, 2008, at 20:12:01
In reply to Lou's reply to Sigismund-hpcr9 » Sigismund, posted by Lou Pilder on April 15, 2008, at 19:54:20
> > I was thinking about this, Lou......
> >
> > >In regards to that you say that it is fine to ask you for your rationale for something here, it is your rationale for writing here that you will expell me from the forum if I was to post,[...that I XXX (the foundation of Judaism)...]
> >
> >
> > For some reason it has been determined that for you to post about the foundations of Judaism would be uncivil?
> > (I can't see see why that should be.)
> > But is that it?
>
> Sigismund,
> You wrote,[...the foundation of Judaism would be...?]
> I have requested from Mr.Hsiung in regards to his TOS here in that it is fine to discuss {actions he has taken} in regards to the action that he has taken that he writes that it is good for a member here to believe that,[...For the law came by Moses, {but} grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. (a foundation of Christiandom).
> Let us look at the thread involved here.(citation hpcr9)
> In the thread, if there are issues involved that are concerning actions that Mr. Hsiung has taken, rules, policy and outstanding requests and requests for rationales, if you see something that you would like some clarification for, please just ask.
> Lou
> citation hpcr9
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20060614/msgs/735373.html
>Sigismund,
Here is another thread that continues some from the first thread.(citation hpcr16)
There are connective posts and if there need any clarification, please just ask.
Lou
citation hpcr16
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080313/msgs/821364.html
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 21, 2008, at 17:19:25
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Robert Hsiung-March 6 » Lou Pilder, posted by Sigismund on April 15, 2008, at 15:16:44
> Lou, does your idea (of the foundations of?) Judaism in some way preclude the idea that other faiths have validity and a place in the world?
>
> Is that the problem?I think that could in fact be a problem with posting the foundations of some faiths, or at least some ways of posting them, see:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020918/msgs/7889.html
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 25, 2008, at 6:51:25
In reply to Re: Lou's request, posted by Dr. Bob on April 21, 2008, at 17:19:25
> > Lou, does your idea (of the foundations of?) Judaism in some way preclude the idea that other faiths have validity and a place in the world?
> >
> > Is that the problem?
>
> I think that could in fact be a problem with posting the foundations of some faiths, or at least some ways of posting them, see:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020918/msgs/7889.html
>
> BobMr. Hsiung,
Your posted here that your rule states that if the foundation of a faith puts down those of another faith that it is not supportive.
I am unsure as to what the criteria are that you use in your thinking that could determine that a foundation of a faith is or is not one that could lead one of another faith to feel put down or not. If you could list those here, myself and other members could know in advance what those criteria are, (your rationale), so that they can post accordingly and perhaps post here concerning the actions taken by the administration and to the TOS concerning that you do what in your thinking will be good for the community as a whole and your asking members to trust you about that and that you want to have feedback and be fair.
In any reply to me, could you consider that you have posted here that believing that what could lead someone to feel put down does not in your thinking, and in mine also, ligitimize here what the statement could purport.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 27, 2008, at 14:15:57
In reply to Lou's request to Mr.Hsiung for identification-ptdn » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on April 25, 2008, at 6:51:25
> > > Lou, does your idea (of the foundations of?) Judaism in some way preclude the idea that other faiths have validity and a place in the world?
> > >
> > > Is that the problem?
> >
> > I think that could in fact be a problem with posting the foundations of some faiths, or at least some ways of posting them, see:
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020918/msgs/7889.html
> >
> > Bob
>
> Mr. Hsiung,
> Your posted here that your rule states that if the foundation of a faith puts down those of another faith that it is not supportive.
> I am unsure as to what the criteria are that you use in your thinking that could determine that a foundation of a faith is or is not one that could lead one of another faith to feel put down or not. If you could list those here, myself and other members could know in advance what those criteria are, (your rationale), so that they can post accordingly and perhaps post here concerning the actions taken by the administration and to the TOS concerning that you do what in your thinking will be good for the community as a whole and your asking members to trust you about that and that you want to have feedback and be fair.
> In any reply to me, could you consider that you have posted here that believing that what could lead someone to feel put down does not in your thinking, and in mine also, ligitimize here what the statement could purport.
> Lou PilderFriends,
If you are consideing being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you click on this offered link and look through the aspects of the types of arguments presented and how they can be determined to be fallacious arguments or not.
Lou
http://www.changeminds.org/discilines/aregument/fallacies/a_appeal.htm
Posted by Sigismund on May 29, 2008, at 15:22:56
In reply to Re: Lou's request, posted by Dr. Bob on April 21, 2008, at 17:19:25
The foundations of Christianity are a problem for Judaism.
Posted by Sigismund on May 30, 2008, at 15:30:21
In reply to Re: Lou's request, posted by Sigismund on May 29, 2008, at 15:22:56
"For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ" (John 1:17)
Posted by Lou PIlder on May 31, 2008, at 14:01:49
In reply to Lou's reques to members-apealfala, posted by Lou Pilder on April 27, 2008, at 14:15:57
> > > > Lou, does your idea (of the foundations of?) Judaism in some way preclude the idea that other faiths have validity and a place in the world?
> > > >
> > > > Is that the problem?
> > >
> > > I think that could in fact be a problem with posting the foundations of some faiths, or at least some ways of posting them, see:
> > >
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020918/msgs/7889.html
> > >
> > > Bob
> >
> > Mr. Hsiung,
> > Your posted here that your rule states that if the foundation of a faith puts down those of another faith that it is not supportive.
> > I am unsure as to what the criteria are that you use in your thinking that could determine that a foundation of a faith is or is not one that could lead one of another faith to feel put down or not. If you could list those here, myself and other members could know in advance what those criteria are, (your rationale), so that they can post accordingly and perhaps post here concerning the actions taken by the administration and to the TOS concerning that you do what in your thinking will be good for the community as a whole and your asking members to trust you about that and that you want to have feedback and be fair.
> > In any reply to me, could you consider that you have posted here that believing that what could lead someone to feel put down does not in your thinking, and in mine also, ligitimize here what the statement could purport.
> > Lou Pilder
>
> Friends,
> If you are consideing being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you click on this offered link and look through the aspects of the types of arguments presented and how they can be determined to be fallacious arguments or not.
> Lou
> http://www.changeminds.org/discilines/aregument/fallacies/a_appeal.htmMr. Hsiung,
In regards to your reminder procedure to keep reminding you, the above.
Lou PIlderFriends,
If yu are considering being a discussant in this thread, if you could read what is in the offered link (citation nizkor) so that if what is in the link comes up, you could recognize it if you do not already know of these fallacies, I would appreciate it.
Lou
citation nizkor
http://www.nizkor.org/fatures/fallaciea/
Posted by Lou PIlder on May 31, 2008, at 14:06:11
In reply to Lou's reminder to Mr. Hsiung-nizkor, posted by Lou PIlder on May 31, 2008, at 14:01:49
> > > > > Lou, does your idea (of the foundations of?) Judaism in some way preclude the idea that other faiths have validity and a place in the world?
> > > > >
> > > > > Is that the problem?
> > > >
> > > > I think that could in fact be a problem with posting the foundations of some faiths, or at least some ways of posting them, see:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020918/msgs/7889.html
> > > >
> > > > Bob
> > >
> > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > Your posted here that your rule states that if the foundation of a faith puts down those of another faith that it is not supportive.
> > > I am unsure as to what the criteria are that you use in your thinking that could determine that a foundation of a faith is or is not one that could lead one of another faith to feel put down or not. If you could list those here, myself and other members could know in advance what those criteria are, (your rationale), so that they can post accordingly and perhaps post here concerning the actions taken by the administration and to the TOS concerning that you do what in your thinking will be good for the community as a whole and your asking members to trust you about that and that you want to have feedback and be fair.
> > > In any reply to me, could you consider that you have posted here that believing that what could lead someone to feel put down does not in your thinking, and in mine also, ligitimize here what the statement could purport.
> > > Lou Pilder
> >
> > Friends,
> > If you are consideing being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you click on this offered link and look through the aspects of the types of arguments presented and how they can be determined to be fallacious arguments or not.
> > Lou
> > http://www.changeminds.org/discilines/aregument/fallacies/a_appeal.htm
>
> Mr. Hsiung,
> In regards to your reminder procedure to keep reminding you, the above.
> Lou PIlder
>
> Friends,
> If yu are considering being a discussant in this thread, if you could read what is in the offered link (citation nizkor) so that if what is in the link comes up, you could recognize it if you do not already know of these fallacies, I would appreciate it.
> Lou
> citation nizkor
> http://www.nizkor.org/fatures/fallaciea/
>
Friends,
The corrected link is;
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 9, 2008, at 15:19:57
In reply to *correction to link*-Lou's reminder to Mr. Hsiung, posted by Lou PIlder on May 31, 2008, at 14:06:11
> > > > > > Lou, does your idea (of the foundations of?) Judaism in some way preclude the idea that other faiths have validity and a place in the world?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is that the problem?
> > > > >
> > > > > I think that could in fact be a problem with posting the foundations of some faiths, or at least some ways of posting them, see:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020918/msgs/7889.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob
> > > >
> > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > Your posted here that your rule states that if the foundation of a faith puts down those of another faith that it is not supportive.
> > > > I am unsure as to what the criteria are that you use in your thinking that could determine that a foundation of a faith is or is not one that could lead one of another faith to feel put down or not. If you could list those here, myself and other members could know in advance what those criteria are, (your rationale), so that they can post accordingly and perhaps post here concerning the actions taken by the administration and to the TOS concerning that you do what in your thinking will be good for the community as a whole and your asking members to trust you about that and that you want to have feedback and be fair.
> > > > In any reply to me, could you consider that you have posted here that believing that what could lead someone to feel put down does not in your thinking, and in mine also, ligitimize here what the statement could purport.
> > > > Lou Pilder
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > If you are consideing being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you click on this offered link and look through the aspects of the types of arguments presented and how they can be determined to be fallacious arguments or not.
> > > Lou
> > > http://www.changeminds.org/discilines/aregument/fallacies/a_appeal.htm
> >
> > Mr. Hsiung,
> > In regards to your reminder procedure to keep reminding you, the above.
> > Lou PIlder
> >
> > Friends,
> > If yu are considering being a discussant in this thread, if you could read what is in the offered link (citation nizkor) so that if what is in the link comes up, you could recognize it if you do not already know of these fallacies, I would appreciate it.
> > Lou
> > citation nizkor
> > http://www.nizkor.org/fatures/fallaciea/
> >
> Friends,
> The corrected link is;
> http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
> LouMr. Hsiung,
In accordance with your reminder procedure to keep reminding you, the above. In any reply to me here if you use the aspect of {shall}, could you consider that there is a post that uses {only} and it is allowed to stand?
Lou
Friends,
If yu would like to see the post in question, you could email me if you like.
lpilder_1188@fuse.net
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