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Posted by Lou Pilder on April 12, 2005, at 14:08:31
DR. Hsiung,
I am requesting that you write a determination as to if the following is acceptable or not to be posted here in relation to the guidlines of the forum.
The poster writes,[...after all Jesus is ...described as...angry (turning over the money changers tables)...].
Lou Pilder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20050312/msgs/483365.html
Posted by AuntieMel on April 12, 2005, at 14:29:34
In reply to Lou's request to Dr. Hsiung, posted by Lou Pilder on April 12, 2005, at 14:08:31
I know you asked Dr. Bob, but if it matters I think it's probably ok. It says he is *described* as being those things.
It is true, that he *is* described as being those things. Whether we believe them to be true is quite another matter. And if he said that it *was* true then that might also be another matter.
But there is a bigger point he is making with that paragraph - that anxiety and anger are natural human emotions that we all have.
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 12, 2005, at 14:41:17
In reply to Re:my opinion (if it matters) » Lou Pilder, posted by AuntieMel on April 12, 2005, at 14:29:34
It is written here,[...I think it is {probably} OK...].
Then could that then mean that it could be {probably}[not] OK?
Then there is as to if the statement is {necessary}to show what the writer wanted to show. Is not the "anger" that Jesus has in that bible verse anger toward the Jewish leaders in the Temple? And could not then there be the potential for that scene about the money changers to be brought into focus here?
Lou
Posted by AuntieMel on April 12, 2005, at 16:18:26
In reply to Lou's response to AuntieMel's post-, posted by Lou Pilder on April 12, 2005, at 14:41:17
Well - no - if it is *probably* ok, then that just leaves open the idea that it is *possibly* not.
Was it necessary to show what he wanted to show? Not in my opinion. But I don't think it did any harm either. Much like Aesop's fables the statement had a point - that everyone has these emotions.
As for whether it was towards the Jewish leaders in the Temple - the jury is still out on that one. The different gospels taken with the gnostic gospels have muddled it in my mind. Though you are correct that most people *think* it was at the leaders.
However it was such a short statement in a much larger post that I personally think that the only people that would make the connections are those that are already anti-semetic - and it's been my experience that anti-semites are likely to think of it no matter what is written.
Whew! my opinion. I sure hope it's civil. I tried.
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 12, 2005, at 16:41:26
In reply to Re: Lou's response to AuntieMel's post- » Lou Pilder, posted by AuntieMel on April 12, 2005, at 16:18:26
AM,
You wrote,[...those that are already antisemitic...].
Then in your opinion, could the post have the potential, if it is acceptable here, to arrouse antisemitic feelings in those that are already antisemitic?
Lou
Posted by AuntieMel on April 12, 2005, at 16:46:45
In reply to Lou's replyto AuntieMel's post- » AuntieMel, posted by Lou Pilder on April 12, 2005, at 16:41:26
It's time for me to leave, but the quick answer is I think *any* post could do that. I'll say more on it tomorrow.
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 12, 2005, at 16:56:04
In reply to Re: Lou's replyto AuntieMel's post- » Lou Pilder, posted by AuntieMel on April 12, 2005, at 16:46:45
AM,
When you return tomorrow, could you consider the following?
You wrote,[...*any* post could do that...].
Could you clarify what you mean by [*any*] post when you return?
Lou
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 12, 2005, at 18:40:55
In reply to Lou's request to Dr. Hsiung, posted by Lou Pilder on April 12, 2005, at 14:08:31
> I am requesting that you write a determination as to if the following is acceptable or not to be posted here in relation to the guidlines of the forum.
I think it's acceptable.
Bob
Posted by AuntieMel on April 13, 2005, at 12:36:43
In reply to Lou's replyto AuntieMel's post- » AuntieMel, posted by Lou Pilder on April 12, 2005, at 16:56:04
What I mean is that a large number of anti-semites blame all the world's woes on the Jews.
NOTE TO DR. BOB: THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO BE ANY ONE PERSON OR ANY PARTICULAR PERSON - I'M USING EXAMPLES HERE
Dollar drops overseas? Must be the fault of those Jewish international bankers.
Price of oil goes up? There would be peace in the middle east if it wasn't for Israel.
And those darn liberals that are ruining our education.
To a true-blue anti-semite any topic that anyone can come up can bring up anti-semitic feelings. Even talk about the latest movie or tv show.
Luckily very, very few people fit in that category, I haven't seen it on Babble and I'm darn sure Dr. Bob would take care of it if it did. If I didn't believe that I wouldn't be here.
Am I making sense?
<and call me Mel - both my friends do>
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 13, 2005, at 12:59:14
In reply to Re: Lou's replyto AuntieMel's post- » Lou Pilder, posted by AuntieMel on April 13, 2005, at 12:36:43
Mel,
You wrote,[...Am I making sense?...].
What you are giving examples of is mostly about "scapegoating". Scapegoating is one aspect of this, but there are others.
Lou
Posted by AuntieMel on April 13, 2005, at 13:23:10
In reply to Lou's replto Auntie Mel's post- » AuntieMel, posted by Lou Pilder on April 13, 2005, at 12:59:14
I agree that there are many more aspects of this. I just think that if someone is an anti-semite (or not, for that matter) that a post on an internet site isn't likely to make any difference.
Meaning that if you aren't already an anti-semite, that aspect of the posts on babble (if any) is likely to be missed. Much like the 'adult' humor in Popeye cartoons went unnoticed by me when I was a kid.
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 13, 2005, at 13:29:07
In reply to Re: agreed » Lou Pilder, posted by AuntieMel on April 13, 2005, at 13:23:10
Mel,
You wrote,[...a post on an internet site isn't likely to make any difference...].
If great differences can come about by the Nazi's use of the media by Joeseph Goebbles and company, that they had available to them at that time, could not the media as per the internet have a great influance in this time ?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 13, 2005, at 13:37:24
In reply to Re: agreed » Lou Pilder, posted by AuntieMel on April 13, 2005, at 13:23:10
Mel,
You wrote,[...if you ar not already an antisemite,...aspect of a post on babble...is likely to be missed...].
How likely?
Lou
Posted by gardenergirl on April 13, 2005, at 16:08:44
In reply to Re: agreed » Lou Pilder, posted by AuntieMel on April 13, 2005, at 13:23:10
La la la la la la
I'm not listening! I can't hear you!
Eyes wide shut...
gg
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