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Posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 14:44:02
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 14:42:55
So there will be records kept of who is in the hospital.
So there will be records kept of who is in the OR.Not by us.
Thank God.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 14:44:59
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 14:44:02
And this is just concentration camp island where you throw the people who nobody cares about.
That movie 'Labrynth'... What was it... An obliette? Something like that.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 14:54:17
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 14:44:59
Didn't you know that the point of life is to command as much money as possible? And the way you do that is to be head of a business or government department...
The ideal appears to be a government department. Then you can set up a private business to award yourself a government contract. Because private CE's get many orders of magnitude more money than government CE's. so you use your public position to set up a little private advantage for yourself... Or maybe a few friends... And you take turns on who gets what bid / contract. That seems to be the most recent thing the... UN?? Is telling us is not an acceptable business practice. I suppose because it's so rife in government.
And what it is that you are CE of is actually irrelevant. Because it's about getting as much money out for yourself (and maybe a few cronies). Even if at the expense of the overall.
IN fact, nobody seems to care about the overall. It's just a stepping stone on the way to a bigger business with a bigger budget.
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The government says that x million is to be spent on health or whatever. IN the budget.
So...
Where does the money go, then.
Like... How much money actually went where, exactly?
Yeah... The money was spent on... Building depreciation.
That's where the money went.
Building depreciation eats the health budget.
What are you going to do about it?
Well, at the very least, identify them as the psychopaths they are. Then psychopaths can come and they can have fun trying to mutually destroy each other.
It's only a very small group of psychopaths ruining things for everyone else. It's important to remember that.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 15:02:07
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 14:44:59
and of course after he kills her, they kill him. i mean, why wouldn't you if you thought you could get away with it. the coroner is independent is he? independent from the medical profession? independent from medical misadvanture? when people die in the prisons that's murder? how do people kill themselves in state care, honestly... how much money does that cost per day, again?
cameras no work-y
Posted by sigismund on April 18, 2021, at 20:04:00
In reply to we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 13:53:53
of our values.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 3:53:24
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by sigismund on April 18, 2021, at 20:04:00
We value cruelty?
I got so sick of Otago...
The... Under-developed... Ethics, there.
Only a sort of a rudimentary sort of an ethics is allowed there.
When it comes to euthanasia. When it comes to animal research. When it comes to... Any of the things, at all...
They treat people as badly as they treat the animals, there.
It's all about 'We are the top of the hierarchy of beings of the world and it is our birth right to do whatever we want whenever we want because we want...'
You listen to the 'best case' they can make as to why their animal research is necessary for scientific development or progress...
And it's jut not a very good case, at all.
Of course they don't treat animals that very much better.
The Australians threw a f*ck*ng tantrum of a hissy fit of a wilful misunderstanding of Peter Singer... Saying he was advocating that intellectually handicapped people should be euthanised like meat cows or similar... But Singer's point was that not even animals should be treated like that. Not people. Certainly. And not animals either.
The 'best case' sort of research they can come up with are the implanting electrodes in the brain because one day we want to implant electrodes in the brain of Parkinson's Patients. By way of our x-boxes in Sydney. That's the dream. To have a remote control person. I mean wouldn't it be fun to implant electrodes into the brain and have a remote control person? Important cutting edge scientific research, that... Mmm hmm...
Because... We don't have any values?
Posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 3:59:13
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 3:53:24
Often they only seem to fund research that involves torturing animals / gratuitous use of animals.
Often the value of the experimental research seems dubious at best.
Often they don't do the most basic of things they could do to make things more humane.
Often the research... Just seems like some dim excuse to allow them to torture and abuse.
And the 'best of them' (in some sense) get picked to do Medicine. To do their experiments (or their observational studies of how doing nothing or doing something results in pain and suffering and death) of people. The animal at the top of the food chain.
I mean...
You might want a rat lab... But if you are really really good you will get to torture and abuse chimpanzees -- right?
So you can 'clean' your data and lie about your findings.
THen you can move on to human infants. Or human adults.
See how many of those you can torture and poison and...
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I thought it was a set-up so there was a record of the people who participated in such things so that there was a blacklist of things they were locked out of.
I mean, why would you want people who do those things anywhere near you... If you had a choice..
I mean I guess in NZ it's supposed to scare people back to working the plantations for no pay...
But no, there's more to it. An actual group in Australasia... India, too. There are journals that will publish people's confessions of the criminal things they've done. Whether they ever get prosecuted for them or not.
People can read their research and decide for themselves if they think it was justified.
Most of it is gratuoutious. Waste of time and energy and resources. Thinly veiled excuses for the fact that certain people like to torture and harm. Just beacause they can. Because they are getting away with it.
Yay them.
Well done.
Ruining things for us all.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 4:01:53
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 3:59:13
It's the ethical test you must fail to be selected to Medicine.
Because the point of Medicine in Australiasia is to get to torture and abuse people.
Best I can figure.
That's the point of it.
They pick people to fit in with the things that are currently going on, in those respects. People who won't complain. People who are similarly motivated.
A bunch of abusers and torturers and murderers and rapists.
Best I can figure.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 4:13:11
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 4:01:53
I'm sure it goes on other places as well.
One of the hospitals in RI is being investigated for corruption.
Apparently they were hemorrhaging money...
They were refusing to comply with federal regualtion. So they stopped recieving federal funds.
But still they weren't willing to comply with federal regulation. So they were going to keep hemorrhaging money...
What was it about? It's a bit unclear...
I think it's about the involutary detention of a bunch of people. You call them 'intellectually handicapped' or 'psychiatrically disturbed' and then you get to... Keep them. I guess. Your people prisoners. Do to experiments on, or whatever.
Apparently there aren't federal inpatient detention facilities in the name of intellectual handicap / psychiatric disturbance anymore.
So they are required to arrange for people to be transferred to community settings. Or something.
I see a lot of houses burning down...
I don't know why so many house fires.
Our Government literally refuses to prosecute corruption. Apparently... Apparently they don't have to. It is discretionary, or something.
It is entirely optional for the attorney general and solicitor general to do their job (in New Zealand).
Presently they refuse to prosecute the corruption that is the Universities of NZ refusing to enrol domestic adults in programmes they have applied to (because of their preference to select children to abuse and foster into psychopaths) and their refusal to allow students to work to international standards of academic scholarship. Their refusal to allow external examiners to sign off that international standards of academic scholarship have in fact been reached.
Their refusal to accept that when international examiners are willing to sign the students off... Refusing to get the work back to the examieners for sign off in order to demand re-enrolment and additional paymet of fees is...
Keeping slaves.
Corruptoin.
Demand for bribe to be paid.
Letter of extortion (pay us more money or you will never get your degree).
Demand for exit payment (pay us more money or you will never get your degree).These are the public universities of New Zealand.
'universities'
engaged in all these animal torture experiments. people torture experiments too.
just living their pathology...
Posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 4:20:05
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 4:13:11
they can try and call it 'basic science research' but it isn't basic science research at all.
it is base.
that is what it is.
and it is stuff that overseas places were doing...
yawn.
20 years ago?
40 years ago?
something like that.
still looking for the simple gene associations...
and so on...
even the Parkinsons stuff and so on...
it's just a thinly veiled thing because they like to harvest the brains of people when they go. preserve the brains in brain banks. i think we sell them, too, to Harvard and the like, or whatever.
the idea is to try and find the pathology on autopsy.
and there are people... i guess some of them are wealthy donors to the university. wanting to participate in the research...
for the conditions that are (often) inflicted by the old generation antipsychotics that we are (still) massively overprescribing doing the whole chemical straightjacket thing that we learned about...
yawn...
back in in the 1960's.
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totally cutting edge.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 4:25:07
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 4:20:05
i guess we go back to the ventillators...
how people are not so much having long-term harmful effects from Covid (best I can figure) as they are having long-term harmful effects from...
Overly agressive medical 'treatment'.
Being put in ventillators that force the lungs to move around irritating and damaging the delicate respiratory membrane.
Because... There wasn't enough oxygen?
Because... Why wouldn't you immobilise someone and ventillate them -- if you thought you could get away with it. Why wouldn't you?
And so on...
Posted by sigismund on April 19, 2021, at 20:19:43
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 3:53:24
>We value cruelty?
I wouldn't put it quite like that, but since you ask, yes.
Posted by sigismund on April 19, 2021, at 20:23:04
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 3:59:13
Posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 21:06:08
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by sigismund on April 19, 2021, at 20:23:04
new zealand doesn't see a problem with animal teseting because...
that is how we treat most of our people, too.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 21:15:00
In reply to yes, posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 21:06:08
Looks like NZ is on it's way out of the 5 eyes alliance.
I think we are going to have our place replaced by China.
New Zealand only did business with China, in the first place, because it thought that China was more morally bankrupt / corrupt than New Zealand. So it got to feel morally superior.
Then it didn't track things properly. Didn't track development properly.
And now, here we are.
Other nations express concern about the Uryguar camps...
And New Zealand can't say anything...
Because the 'retraining facilities'. Well... Would you like to come and study in New Zealand? We can house you in a concentration camp, ahem, student residential hall. You can work the plantations over the summer?
China said something about... Being careful about having your eyes poked out.
There's something about how when you point the finger -- there's... I don't remember how many pointed back at you.
I guess it would be 3.
Anyway...
NZ is going to... Cozy up to Germany, now?
Germany has progressed rather a lot since WWII. Unlike NZ...
India?
We like that. Blaming corruption on Indian migrants is the thing to do all over the media, at the moment.
I'm sure because we carefully hand-pick selected many of them for precisely that. Then they needed slaves so... People to be exploited...
But it's hard to do business with INdia right now when planeloads are Covid positive because they cheated on / beat the testing on their way out..
Posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 21:58:06
In reply to 5 eyes, posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 21:15:00
the ad ran when i was a kid.
i guess before the development of science, in nz. back when we took the moral high ground / road because the low road wasn't an option.
i remember when we were opposed to SUV's because... we couldn't afford them. we were opposed to them for all the right reasons. the reasons we not cite as to why we don't like them anymore. but between our not liking them for the right reasons once upon a time and our not liking them for the right reasons now there was a brief period of time when ownership of them in these parts really took off. what happened during that brief period of time? we could afford them. they were here and so people brought them.
we were opposed to the animal testing... on cosmetics and the like when i was a kid...
the univeristy of Otago had this massive restructure under Hayes. a lot of people lost their jobs. academic dead weight, sure, but they were hired because they were likely to be academic dead weight, they were kept because they were academic dead weight, and now they are gone... they weren't treated very humanely. but i suppose they condones inhumane treatment of their studnets. not signing off on their studnets. signing off on the students who didn't have capacity for further productivity... you get the idea...
anyhoo... the inhumane restructure where lots of people lost their jobs... to save money for a... very very expensive animal testing building.
so they can do vivisections on animals to practice for...
dun dun dun dun the star performance! the peak of the show!
some inbred white elite kid of an official getting to practice surgery on some brown kid. or maybe some impoverished white kid. to their mind... as far up the evolutionary ladder of the hierarchy of being as they are allowed to go...
that's the thinking of there.
of course nobody with any moral sense would teach them anything. it would be irresponsible to do that. they aren't amendable to teaching, anyway. it's more about doing whatever you want whenever you want because you want from their pov... their perspective on the goal or meaning of life.
and now they are getting started on building a hospital. apparently. or something.
new zealand is one of teh few places you can do stem cell research.
but why would you want to grow a baby in a test tube... when you can remove a baby from the womb and raise it in an incubator? we specialise in the latter...
conceived in alcohol
born into oxygen deprivation
beaten about the head in the name of national sport
sexually and physically and psychologically abused at the hands of employees of government departments / organisations
then carefully chosen and selected to repeat that on the next generation.it's our grand plan for teh whole failure to thrive thing that is the country of new zealand
i guess our major export was...
masses of low capacity workforce to do all the slave labor overseas.
we thought we could produce meat for the world.
there's no shortage of meat in the world. the world doesn't want meat.
there's no... people. humanity.
it's not about the technology any more than it was about the money.
they are epiphenomenon, those developments. epiphenomenon on a lot of other things going right.
but giving us technology... we would only try and produce things cheaper and crappier than India -- and the world doesn't need more of that.
i certainly didn't come back to new zealand to do philosophy. most particularly not moral philosophy.
you argue with a fool for long enough and you wonder...
teh attorney general and the solicitor general have been cc'd in.
what are they going to do?
will new zeland prosecute corruption or not?
does new zealand have a legitimate government or one that is fundamentally corrupt?
they don't appear to have counted the votes.
but then there also don't appear to have been any actual canddiates...
ffs
Posted by sigismund on April 20, 2021, at 0:18:45
In reply to yes, posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 21:06:08
>that is how we treat most of our people, too.
But only the poor, right? And other categories of the defenceless.
Posted by sigismund on April 20, 2021, at 0:23:10
In reply to 5 eyes, posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 21:15:00
>Other nations express concern about the Uryguar camps...
We have a Royal Commission into the origins of COVID too. Scomo is trying to change shape to please Biden.
Many years ago I wanted to visit Kashgar.
If whoever is so concerned about human life, to say nothing of the natural world........maybe look closer to home?
Posted by sigismund on April 20, 2021, at 0:24:25
In reply to 5 eyes, posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 21:15:00
Get out while you can from this anglo scam.
Posted by sigismund on April 20, 2021, at 0:29:38
In reply to Re: 5 eyes, posted by sigismund on April 20, 2021, at 0:24:25
"The charming thing about Americans is that they have absolutely no sense of history." Chou En Lai
And that goes double for here.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 20, 2021, at 2:10:29
In reply to Re: yes, posted by sigismund on April 20, 2021, at 0:18:45
> >that is how we treat most of our people, too.
> But only the poor, right? And other categories of the defenceless.
anyone and everyone who you can get away with it.
i remember the public health people laughing about private medical practices in new zealand. saying people could pay more for fancier premises in richer areas. fresh coats of paint. pretty receptionists. potted plants.
but people aren't in the position to be able to tell whether or not there is quality of care. if the medical resources are legit (or past expiry, or were returned for being not fit for purpose)... if the people doing the procedures are even qualified at all... people aren't in the position to be able to tell.
so... even if you are rich in new zealand... why would you think that you actually have access to medical care?
why wouldn't people carve their name into your kidneys just because they can... why wouldn't they?
in fact... apparently that's what people do.
yes to the getting out. indeed.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 20, 2021, at 2:27:14
In reply to Re: yes, posted by alexandra_k on April 20, 2021, at 2:10:29
i don't know how much it's driven from overseas. australia, particularly, when it comes to new zealand.
did australia treat me better?
the ANU sent me away with no degree... i was bullied out of completing it. i mean, i chose to go there and work towards a PhD and then... after some time of my being there and working on it and for it... i didn't want to do it any more. i decided that i didn't care if they gave me the degree or not. what was the degree good for? they were saying it was only good for employment as a philosopher. they were saying that more studnets wanted to be employed as philosophers than there were jobs available in the profession so if you weren't certain that that was what you wanted to do... then you should let other people do that, yeah.
so i left without the degree.
and now they go 'hahahahhaha they pay me they pay me they pay me (and they don't pay you!)'
but that's just me.
what about other people?
i know of a couple who finished. got post-docs (i think that is 1 year of work) and then... one gained intermittent employment for various governmetn things in NZ and... he got some pay-out apparently and now he will never work again. he seems resigned to that. the other one didn't get any further employment insofar as i know. in both those cases the government pays their partners well enough to support the whole family.
what about other people?
another couple new zealanders left without completing. a south african. a girl from ireland.
what about other people?
one new zealander was working on a project but the guy he was working under left for the US and left him behind. then nobody wanted to allow him to complete that project. they were on about how it was crap etc. he... i think he was enrolled for 10 years or something like that and nobody signed him off. there was some joke about how long you were allowed to be enrolled in the university...
they blamed him. that was the idea. like they blamed me, i guess. we were blamed for not doing work. for not being productive.
but i gave a talk that was my 6 month review -- and my supervisor denied that it was my 6 month review. he was on about how it wasn't good enough for that or it wasn't in the correct format or...
and then again with my mid-term.
and at that point i was just like 'if you are going to be an arsehole you can shove it up your *rs*'.
so...
the ANU chose to hire him. chose to put him in charge of students... i'm not sure what went on, exactly, because he had signed studnets off over the years... i'm not sure if he went mad in his old age or what... don't know. don't know if things got worse... don't know if he only got the job because of the kind of influence he would be there.
it wasn't long after that / it was around that time that a bunch of people left from the ANU to the US. and then the ANU did a big restructure and put the faculty with the research schools in this merger thing... because the research schools weren't signing their studnets off OR weren't performing research out put function (maybe those were inversely related) and often the faculty was doing teaching work and was also signing the students who were doing their PhD's off. so the faculty's were outperforming the research schools.
there didn't seem to be any way for me to do medicine in Australia. Because NZ citizens aren't eligible for HECS government loans for study. we were considered domestic for PhD only. i suppose only for the programmes teh Australian students didn't want to do.
Now... The australian students were all signed off, I think. All the ones I know. Maybe 1 or 2 got jobs in the US. The others got jobs in Australia.
Australia treats New Zealanders like 3rd class Australians best I can figure.
I do know one person who was signed off (by someone different from my supervisor). NOt sure how much they forced her project to run over-time. That particular supervisor would sign his students off... Other supervisors would, actually. It was mine who wouldn't. Wouldn't sign off the New Zealanders. And people who got caught with transients who were more interested in US and only really temporarily in Australia / who did not do right by their studnets / who abandoned their students when they left...
I just...
I don't know. PUt things a bit together.
You do the work. The work goes to examiners. The examiners examine the work and write reports. Then what 2/3 examiners says... Goes.
So... I did the work... Then I submitted the work to examiners.
Then the Univesrity of Waikato had a f*ck*ng melt-down that someone submitted their work to go to examiners without their permission.
They bully people out of submitting, you see. You are supposed to spend months and months playing some stupid game of grovelling to them 'ooooooooooooh I'm sooooooooooooooooooo afraid that my work wont' be considered good enough. I'm useless. Do it for me. I can't. Do it for me. You are so smart. I am so stupid.' Etc.
And I can't be fuckign bothered spending my life engaged in those stupid f*ck*ng games.
I did the work. Their job was to get the work to examiners.
I'm not interested in anything they had to say. I know what they have to say. They have to say these sorts of things:
YOu suck. You are supid. Your work isn't good enough.
They open their mouths and garbage sh*t falls out as they try and bully me.
And I've realised that if they don't succeed in bullying me into compliance... Well... I've realised the extent of the corruption. They will violate regulations. To keep their slave.
I see.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 20, 2021, at 2:37:04
In reply to Re: yes, posted by alexandra_k on April 20, 2021, at 2:27:14
dis-arming.
apparently that is what you need to be.
that is what this guy would do.
he would approach the supervisor (strategically) all worried and upset and seeking reassurance.
he would approach the supervisor expressing his worry and concern and so on.
and the supervisor would be dis-armed into reassuring him. there there. helping him.
so the start of every talk... he would be all like 'well these are just some things that i've put together and i don't know if the ideas work and i am hoping that you guys will help me with constructive feedback because i don't really know if what i'm doing is on the right track...'
and he would be supplicant on and on and on he would go...
until supervisor would go 'alright, that's enough of that, you can begin the talk now'
and then supervisor would look at the room and beam that he had such a wonderful student.
____________________________
and that's something to do with your time, i guess.
i don't know why they didn't want him for medicine. that guy.
he would have been great. reassuring the patient.
getting the patient to reassure him.
'there there i know you are competent. there there i know you will help lme. there there i have faith in you. there there i want you to be a good helpful competent doctor there there'.
hmm.. maybe not. maybe it didn't work for that.
i guess it didn't work on the medical supervisors, either.
hm.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 20, 2021, at 2:48:38
In reply to Re: yes, posted by alexandra_k on April 20, 2021, at 2:37:04
i totally snapped at this guy in the gym today.
i was doing foam rolling and this guy basically walked up to me and i think he said something... and i stopped what i was doing and moved my mat so he could get past me to set up his mat right next to me.
and he could have walked around the beam (not much out of his way) to get to the place he wanted to go. or he could have picked another place. there were lots of places he could have put himself to do that.
and i was like 'oh please, let me stop what i am doing when i am engaged in an exercise (foam rolling) so that i can move out of your way'.
and i picked up my mat and moved somewhere away from him.
and then i felt like a f*ck*ng bitch.
_____
the gyms a bit on edge, i think, because they are doing filming for les mills international. i'm not going to go to any of the classes that are being filmed if i can help it... i'm a bit of a weird outlier in classes... i don't blend... i nail some things and make a complete hash of others. it's good / helpful for figuring out progressions and things. having the different instructors doing different variants of moves. so people who are injured / recovering can do SOMETHING... but it's not really what you want to see in the audience when you are doing your thing.. someone who looks like they are playing to the beat of a different drummer... when the instructors want to look / feel like superstars driving the show... i don't know... anyway... whatever... i'm camera shy.
i am learning algebra. it is actually fun / interesting / pleasant.
they are merging all the techs.
i don't know that they grade students work at school level properly.
i guess the government will choose what job people have in some centralised way.
the micro-mismanagement way whereby they decide to invest in a terrible future...
the people who saw brave new world and where inspired by it because they believe themselves to be alpha babies and they love this idea of ruling over the rest of them. their birthright.
yeah. it's what white supremacy looks like. for sure.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 20, 2021, at 2:53:39
In reply to i feel bad, posted by alexandra_k on April 20, 2021, at 2:48:38
> i totally snapped at this guy in the gym today.
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> i was doing foam rolling and this guy basically walked up to me and i think he said something... and i stopped what i was doing and moved my mat so he could get past me to set up his mat right next to me.
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> and he could have walked around the beam (not much out of his way) to get to the place he wanted to go. or he could have picked another place. there were lots of places he could have put himself to do that.
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> and i was like 'oh please, let me stop what i am doing when i am engaged in an exercise (foam rolling) so that i can move out of your way'.
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> and i picked up my mat and moved somewhere away from him.
>
> and then i felt like a f*ck*ng bitch.i know (now, after thinking on it) that he was just trying to be interactive.
i just find that a lot of how people try and be interactive with me is like... pulling my hair. sort of an equivalent thing to be doing.
people could be like 'hi' and i'm actually responsive to that.
but people do things like walk really quickly to get in front of me and then slow down (forcing me to slow down) and the turn their heads back and smile..
and i'm supposed to respond what / how?
hahahahaha you are so cute you made me do what you wanted me to do?
but my reaction is actually like 'get out the f*ck*ng way you dick'
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