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Posted by Angielala on February 1, 2005, at 22:22:48
In reply to Re: Wow. I am not going there again! » Angielala, posted by jujube on February 1, 2005, at 21:46:19
I have a feeling Dr. John is not a doctor. I mean I could just start calling myself Doctor too...
At least I know now...
> Angielala,
>
> I can understand why. I guess you have already seen this. Geez. It's pretty unprofessional not to mention unfeeling for someone to insinuate that a poster has an ulterior motive for posting a question.
>
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> http://forums.psychcentral.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=bipolar&Number=108237&Forum=,All_Forums,&Words=&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Main=108068&Search=true&where=&Name=&daterange=1&newerval=1&newertype=d&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post108237
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> I don't understand the point of that kind of post.
>
Posted by Angielala on February 1, 2005, at 22:24:29
In reply to Re: Wow. I am not going there again!, posted by Gabbix2 on February 1, 2005, at 22:16:49
It's easier to link to posts that slam PB than try to explain how to find it... especially when Dr. John likes to fool around with posts so that
he can take back what he said.He's messed with the wrong girl.
> I really didn't think the original response was that unfeeling, but I was sickened by Dr. Grohol chiming in, what was that all about?
>
> I know it's a technicality, that anyone could go over to Grohol's board and read the posts, but somehow I think I'd feel invaded links to my posts from Babble were posted over there for people to mull over.
Posted by jujube on February 1, 2005, at 22:32:08
In reply to Re: Wow. I am not going there again!, posted by Gabbix2 on February 1, 2005, at 22:16:49
I agree. It's very high school in a way. If he had a concern about a poster's motives, he could have sent a private mail message to the person instead of trying to hang the person out to dry.
I have visited the board to see if it is a place where I would feel comfortable posting. I don't see anything wrong with that. I mean, it took me a couple of months before I overcame my fear of posting here (and, I thought the people seemed nice even when I was still lurking). I went back again tonight and saw another offensive not to mention accusatory post.
I don't like games like that. Makes me uncomfortable and puts me on edge.
> I really didn't think the original response was that unfeeling, but I was sickened by Dr. Grohol chiming in, what was that all about?
>
> I know it's a technicality, that anyone could go over to Grohol's board and read the posts, but somehow I think I'd feel invaded links to my posts from Babble were posted over there for people to mull over.
Posted by Gabbix2 on February 1, 2005, at 22:45:04
In reply to Re: Wow. I am not going there again!, posted by Angielala on February 1, 2005, at 22:24:29
> It's easier to link to posts that slam PB than try to explain how to find it... especially when Dr. John likes to fool around with posts so that
> he can take back what he said.Yes but it's different when it's something he's said, he's fair game. He's messed with you but they haven't. I do feel it's unfair to the posters themselves though, they have a right to discuss what they want, and not have it brought over here, sometimes things are said in the heat of the moment too. What if they change their minds and talk about that, can they be sure that post is going to be found and linked over here as well? Of course not.
I don't want them to feel unwelcome because of something they posted over there. Sure we could read it, but what are the chances of that many of us finding those particular posts? By linking to them they have a larger audience than they ever expected.
>
> He's messed with the wrong girl.
>
> > I really didn't think the original response was that unfeeling, but I was sickened by Dr. Grohol chiming in, what was that all about?
> >
> > I know it's a technicality, that anyone could go over to Grohol's board and read the posts, but somehow I think I'd feel invaded links to my posts from Babble were posted over there for people to mull over.
>
>
Posted by Gabbix2 on February 1, 2005, at 22:51:57
In reply to Re: Wow. I am not going there again! » Gabbix2, posted by jujube on February 1, 2005, at 22:32:08
> I agree. It's very high school in a way. If he had a concern about a poster's motives, he could have sent a private mail message to the person instead of trying to hang the person out to dry.
>
> I don't like games like that. Makes me uncomfortable and puts me on edge.
>
Absolutely, that was appalling, I'm still disturbed by it. I would think he'd try to be a mature calming influence not egg things on by making baseless accusations, these aren't two sports teams. I can't find words, I just can't.
And the way he said "One of our posters" that's certainly not discouraging division..
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 2, 2005, at 1:19:37
In reply to Re: Wow. I am not going there again! » Angielala, posted by jujube on February 1, 2005, at 21:46:19
> Psych Central's Dr John has a rather patronizing welcome for Babblers joining his site.
>
> partlycloudy> Wow, that is so .. soo.... help me find a word, I know there is a good one, a better one than ICKY.. Unnecessary, Unproffessional, Patronizing, I'll stop now.
>
> Gabbix2> It's pretty unprofessional not to mention unfeeling
>
> jujubeSorry, but please respect the views of others and be sensitive to their feelings. Some people do like it there.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Angel Girl on February 2, 2005, at 2:34:33
In reply to Re: Wow. I am not going there again!, posted by Angielala on February 1, 2005, at 22:21:04
I don't remember what the rules are on this site but I have been to a number of other sites as well as DocJohn's. It is a usual rule not to bring posts or quote posts from another site to the one that you are on. That violates people's privacy and with a psych support site it creates the feeling to the poster that they are no longer in a safe haven. I'm sure that we would be just as upset should they come over here and do the same to us, at least I know I personally would.
Also, for you to make a blanket statement to say that all the posts at DocJohn's site are edited is simply false. I'm sure that he has better things to do with his time than to go around editing everybody's posts and as a poster on that site, I can assure you that none of my posts have been deleted or edited by DocJohn unless I have personally asked him to. I know that your post was deleted but to my understanding, you violated the rules in that thread and that's why it was removed. He has never claimed that it didn't existed. So that again is a false statement.
If you don't like the site, nobody is denying you that priviledge or forcing you to go there, but I would ask you to please honour the privacy and safety of the posters there, just as I would hope that you would do here. Everybody is going to have their favourites as to whatever sites they like and there are a variety to choose from. I post on both sites. Please, let's not put down where someone else who is having problems finds to be a safe haven for them. If you have a problem with DocJohn himself, then limit your discussion to him without involving those who post there in what they perceive to be private. I know I would be upset should a post of mine be dragged over here and if it is then the matter will certainly be addressed. I don't have any secrets that I've said over there but it is a matter of principle and privacy and I want to feel that when I post on a psych forum that I am safe. I'm sure we all want the same.
I'm sorry that this may upset some, it's not my intention but somebody has to speak out for the safety and privacy of the innocent posters, to which I am one.
That's my 2 cents FWIW!!!
AG
> It makes sense now- he doesn't allow free addresses to sign up because he offends so many and then kicks them off that he wants to make sure that they don't just make another email account and come back to him. Sad that he has to do that, huh?
>
> He edits all the posts- and if people don't like what he said, he takes the posts down and says that they were never there.
>
>
>
> > Never saw that particular welcome, the only one I find now is quite bland and watered-down. Spooky if all posts can be edited - how on earth can one figure out what's *real*? That would be Headache-Central, for me.
> >
> > Psych Central put me off right away anyway, because I only have a free email account (Yahoo) and they won't permit me to join! Well - excuuuuuuse me!! The heck with ya' then!
> >
> > I've fallen madly in love with Babble - for better or for worse - so there!
>
>
Posted by Angel Girl on February 2, 2005, at 2:40:07
In reply to Re: Wow. I am not going there again! » Gabbix2, posted by jujube on February 1, 2005, at 22:32:08
If I recall properly, the rules over there state that certain types of things within posts are not allowed. Should you violate that rule, then your post will be deleted. It is my knowledge that a rule had been broken so therefore; DocJohn followed through with what his rules state would be done and deleted the thread.
If I have been misinformed, then please correct me.
AG
> I agree. It's very high school in a way. If he had a concern about a poster's motives, he could have sent a private mail message to the person instead of trying to hang the person out to dry.
>
> I have visited the board to see if it is a place where I would feel comfortable posting. I don't see anything wrong with that. I mean, it took me a couple of months before I overcame my fear of posting here (and, I thought the people seemed nice even when I was still lurking). I went back again tonight and saw another offensive not to mention accusatory post.
>
> I don't like games like that. Makes me uncomfortable and puts me on edge.
>
>
> > I really didn't think the original response was that unfeeling, but I was sickened by Dr. Grohol chiming in, what was that all about?
> >
> > I know it's a technicality, that anyone could go over to Grohol's board and read the posts, but somehow I think I'd feel invaded links to my posts from Babble were posted over there for people to mull over.
>
>
Posted by Angel Girl on February 2, 2005, at 3:02:15
In reply to Re: Wow. I am not going there again!, posted by Angielala on February 1, 2005, at 22:22:48
What do you mean by 'at least I know now'? <confused as usual>
AG
> I have a feeling Dr. John is not a doctor. I mean I could just start calling myself Doctor too...
>
> At least I know now...
>
> > Angielala,
> >
> > I can understand why. I guess you have already seen this. Geez. It's pretty unprofessional not to mention unfeeling for someone to insinuate that a poster has an ulterior motive for posting a question.
> >
> > ---------------
> > http://forums.psychcentral.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=bipolar&Number=108237&Forum=,All_Forums,&Words=&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Main=108068&Search=true&where=&Name=&daterange=1&newerval=1&newertype=d&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post108237
> >
> > I don't understand the point of that kind of post.
> >
>
>
Posted by Angel Girl on February 2, 2005, at 3:06:19
In reply to Re: Wow. I am not going there again!, posted by Angielala on February 1, 2005, at 22:24:29
Maybe I'm missing something here, why does anyone here care what posters over there say about here, unless it is solely directed at you? I know you had a problem there but how does that involve other posters from older threads?
AG
> It's easier to link to posts that slam PB than try to explain how to find it... especially when Dr. John likes to fool around with posts so that
> he can take back what he said.
>
> He's messed with the wrong girl.
>
> > I really didn't think the original response was that unfeeling, but I was sickened by Dr. Grohol chiming in, what was that all about?
> >
> > I know it's a technicality, that anyone could go over to Grohol's board and read the posts, but somehow I think I'd feel invaded links to my posts from Babble were posted over there for people to mull over.
>
>
Posted by partlycloudy on February 2, 2005, at 4:47:23
In reply to Re: Wow. I am not going there again! » Angielala, posted by Angel Girl on February 2, 2005, at 3:06:19
Angel Girl, the thread in question at PC which has now been deleted was titled "Welcome Babblers" - so it was directed squarely at a particular Bunch of Folks (to quote our dear Prez here) and it was for that reason that I took offense. It's a moot point now since the dang thing has been Un-posted. Very "1984" if you ask me.
Posted by nikkit2 on February 2, 2005, at 8:48:37
In reply to Re: Wow. I am not going there again! » Angel Girl, posted by partlycloudy on February 2, 2005, at 4:47:23
The fact that Dr John is so upset about having posts over here that might not show him in the best light..
yet I have read some *very* rude things about Dr Bob and this site over there..
I dislike double standards very very much..
nikki x
Posted by Angel Girl on February 2, 2005, at 9:53:04
In reply to You know what makes me laugh, posted by nikkit2 on February 2, 2005, at 8:48:37
> The fact that Dr John is so upset about having posts over here that might not show him in the best light..
>
> yet I have read some *very* rude things about Dr Bob and this site over there..
>
> I dislike double standards very very much..
>
> nikki x
I for one would love to see all this bashing stop. I do not see the point of continuing with this conversation, if it can even be called that. Can we PLEASE let it go. I don't like to see bashing anywhere by anybody to anybody.AG (who's had enough)
Posted by partlycloudy on February 2, 2005, at 10:00:22
In reply to Re: You know what makes me angry » nikkit2, posted by Angel Girl on February 2, 2005, at 9:53:04
Where can we talk? We have a choice as to what threads we read. We have many choices as to what we talk about. If I am reading something that makes me uncomfortable, it's within my power to walk away from the computer, or stop reading new posts. I learned this the hard way, Angel. I'm offering you this advice as something that has helped me.
Posted by nikkit2 on February 2, 2005, at 10:20:42
In reply to Re: You know what makes me angry » nikkit2, posted by Angel Girl on February 2, 2005, at 9:53:04
Sorry Angel Girl,
I promise to keep MY feelings to MYSELF in the future and not worry you with my problems, emotions or experiences.
Nikki
Posted by Angielala on February 2, 2005, at 10:41:15
In reply to THIS IS VERY UNNERVING!!! » Angielala, posted by Angel Girl on February 2, 2005, at 2:34:33
If the posts were about PB and it's posters, it is our business.
> I don't remember what the rules are on this site but I have been to a number of other sites as well as DocJohn's. It is a usual rule not to bring posts or quote posts from another site to the one that you are on. That violates people's privacy and with a psych support site it creates the feeling to the poster that they are no longer in a safe haven. I'm sure that we would be just as upset should they come over here and do the same to us, at least I know I personally would.
>
> Also, for you to make a blanket statement to say that all the posts at DocJohn's site are edited is simply false. I'm sure that he has better things to do with his time than to go around editing everybody's posts and as a poster on that site, I can assure you that none of my posts have been deleted or edited by DocJohn unless I have personally asked him to. I know that your post was deleted but to my understanding, you violated the rules in that thread and that's why it was removed. He has never claimed that it didn't existed. So that again is a false statement.
>
> If you don't like the site, nobody is denying you that priviledge or forcing you to go there, but I would ask you to please honour the privacy and safety of the posters there, just as I would hope that you would do here. Everybody is going to have their favourites as to whatever sites they like and there are a variety to choose from. I post on both sites. Please, let's not put down where someone else who is having problems finds to be a safe haven for them. If you have a problem with DocJohn himself, then limit your discussion to him without involving those who post there in what they perceive to be private. I know I would be upset should a post of mine be dragged over here and if it is then the matter will certainly be addressed. I don't have any secrets that I've said over there but it is a matter of principle and privacy and I want to feel that when I post on a psych forum that I am safe. I'm sure we all want the same.
>
> I'm sorry that this may upset some, it's not my intention but somebody has to speak out for the safety and privacy of the innocent posters, to which I am one.
>
> That's my 2 cents FWIW!!!
>
> AG
>
>
> > It makes sense now- he doesn't allow free addresses to sign up because he offends so many and then kicks them off that he wants to make sure that they don't just make another email account and come back to him. Sad that he has to do that, huh?
> >
> > He edits all the posts- and if people don't like what he said, he takes the posts down and says that they were never there.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Never saw that particular welcome, the only one I find now is quite bland and watered-down. Spooky if all posts can be edited - how on earth can one figure out what's *real*? That would be Headache-Central, for me.
> > >
> > > Psych Central put me off right away anyway, because I only have a free email account (Yahoo) and they won't permit me to join! Well - excuuuuuuse me!! The heck with ya' then!
> > >
> > > I've fallen madly in love with Babble - for better or for worse - so there!
> >
> >
>
>
Posted by Angel Girl on February 2, 2005, at 10:48:11
In reply to If we can't talk here, » Angel Girl, posted by partlycloudy on February 2, 2005, at 10:00:22
> Where can we talk? We have a choice as to what threads we read. We have many choices as to what we talk about. If I am reading something that makes me uncomfortable, it's within my power to walk away from the computer, or stop reading new posts. I learned this the hard way, Angel. I'm offering you this advice as something that has helped me.
>
pcAnd that's exactly what I'm going to do because I don't see how anything productive can come from a conversation of bashing other boards. IMHO. YMMV!!!
AG
Posted by Angel Girl on February 2, 2005, at 10:50:43
In reply to Re: THIS IS VERY UNNERVING!!!, posted by Angielala on February 2, 2005, at 10:41:15
> If the posts were about PB and it's posters, it is our business.
And if you found them on another site then THAT's where you should be discussing them with the administrator of THAT site. To bring them over here, violates the rules of their site and probably this one too.
AG
Posted by Angielala on February 2, 2005, at 13:19:33
In reply to Re: THIS IS VERY UNNERVING!!! » Angielala, posted by Angel Girl on February 2, 2005, at 10:50:43
But that's the thing- I did bring it up, and then I was shot down.
But you know what? Who cares? Really- lets kill it, let's let it go and then laugh about it later. We are here right now, let's just live in the now.
> > If the posts were about PB and it's posters, it is our business.
>
> And if you found them on another site then THAT's where you should be discussing them with the administrator of THAT site. To bring them over here, violates the rules of their site and probably this one too.
>
> AG
Posted by Tabitha on February 2, 2005, at 13:42:32
In reply to You know what makes me laugh, posted by nikkit2 on February 2, 2005, at 8:48:37
> The fact that Dr John is so upset about having posts over here that might not show him in the best light..
>
> yet I have read some *very* rude things about Dr Bob and this site over there..
>
> I dislike double standards very very much..
>
> nikki x
Yeah, Nikki, I see the same contradiction. That site has hosted many critical posts about this site & Dr Bob that went beyond what would be considered civil here. Last I looked there was even still stuff in his FAQ or someplace criticizing some nameless administrator about his research non-disclosure (despite that it happened years ago and was corrected). Yet turnabout isn't fair play?
Posted by Tabitha on February 2, 2005, at 14:20:26
In reply to Re: You know what makes me laugh » nikkit2, posted by Tabitha on February 2, 2005, at 13:42:32
I regret adding fuel to the fire on this topic.
Posted by NikkiT2 on February 2, 2005, at 14:44:08
In reply to Re: But..., posted by Tabitha on February 2, 2005, at 14:20:26
Its something I've held in for quite a long time.. years infact.. and sometimes, I need to vent my feelings. And I do have other outlets. But no one would have any idea what I was talking about, or the feelings involved, in those other places.
*shrugs* Is it wrong to feel like this? Not over protective of here, as I do use other mental health boards and non-mental health boards (but I do get alot fo support at the non-mh ones too).. I guess I should babble mail someone..
Nikki
Posted by Angielala on February 2, 2005, at 15:14:15
In reply to Re: But... » Tabitha, posted by NikkiT2 on February 2, 2005, at 14:44:08
Hoe does one babblemail someone?
Posted by gardenergirl on February 2, 2005, at 15:56:19
In reply to Re: You had to be there » partlycloudy, posted by gardenergirl on February 1, 2005, at 17:48:02
Just feeling a tad paranoid, here. Was it something I said? Didn't mean to offend if I did.
:-I
gg
> PC,
> Your reaction to it is perfectly valid. I remember the Bob-bashing, and probably particpated in my own way at the time. And given that, I can certainly see how that post might appear. I don't disagree with you at all. And given that it is gone now, perhaps he thought it over and decided it might be a bit rude, too?
>
> I hope you are not feeling as if your feelings aren't being supported and that's why you are "bowing out"? Unless your bowing out is a self-protective move, and then I understand.
>
> gg
Posted by NikkiT2 on February 2, 2005, at 15:58:39
In reply to Re: But..., posted by Angielala on February 2, 2005, at 15:14:15
At the top of someones post is their posting name.. if its is blue (like a link) click on it, and you should then be able to send an message to their email account.. it comes from PB, so the recipient doesn't see any more details about you than your posting name.
Its really good :)
Nikki x
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