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Posted by Dena on August 4, 2005, at 19:05:15
In reply to You go girl! And I concur! (nm) » Dena, posted by spriggy on August 4, 2005, at 18:50:01
Thanks, Spriggy!
Once God has zapped you, there's no shutting up!
Not even if you get kicked out of church over it! 'Nother story...!
I'm sorry to have hijacked your thread about your wonderful God-leading-you story! I copied your story and sent it to my husband, as an encouragement for him...God leads us in circuituous routes... and it sometimes takes awhile before we get the cosmic "Aha!"... we're getting boatloads of them lately, explaining why it took so long for our house to sell (6 months, when the others were selling in a couple of days, or hours!)...
YOUR story was magnificent! I loved how the excitement kept building... getting "weirder and weirder"! I was gasping outloud (& I rarely even giggle at the comics...!).
Thanks so much for sharing, and I'm sorry for the detour ... it just made me all excited, and then CrazyTeresa mentioned sex ed, and well, there I went...!
Shalom, Dena
Posted by crazy teresa on August 4, 2005, at 20:34:17
In reply to Our future plans ( or God's), please pray!, posted by spriggy on August 2, 2005, at 15:44:41
So what denomination will your church be? Just curious.
I printed out your story and will share it with my Bible study girlfriends when we meet next. They will be very excited! And they will pray for you, too. Unless you tell me you're opening a branch of satanic church then they might not... LOL!!!
crazy t
Posted by Dena on August 4, 2005, at 20:38:42
In reply to Re: Our future plans ( or God's), please pray!, posted by crazy teresa on August 4, 2005, at 20:34:17
Posted by crazy teresa on August 4, 2005, at 20:40:26
In reply to Re: Our future plans ( or God's), please pray! » crazy teresa, posted by rayww on August 4, 2005, at 14:56:58
Hi rayww,
Are you male or female? Just curious since I can't tell by your name.
I was referring to what a fantastic gift sex within marriage is. Sorry if I upset you.
crazy t
Posted by Dena on August 4, 2005, at 20:53:08
In reply to Re: Our future plans ( or God's), please pray! » rayww, posted by crazy teresa on August 4, 2005, at 20:40:26
Rayww is my friend, so I'll take the liberty to answer, in case she's not posting tonight, and I don't want your curiosity to go unsatisfied...
Rayww is a woman... her "name" stands for "Ray: Wonderful Woman." Which, I shall attest, is TRUE. She is a wonderful woman.
I add my own personal "w" to her name: Raywww, which stands for "Ray: WILD Wonderful Woman", which is also true, in a good way.
I'll let her now speak for herself about whether or not she felt upset by your comment.
I didn't (duh!). I understood what you meant, and I echoed that, with my post. As a recently enlightened and awakened married woman (re. sexuality), I, too relish how wonderfully lavish our God was when He blessed us with His amazing gift of sex.
(pardon me, while I commence to go "off" a bit, directed at no one in particular...)
Should it be guarded with boundaries? Absolutely!
But it should also be relished with abandon within those boundaries.
The historic Church has repressed sexuality for centuries - and the people in that Church have suffered for it. Marriages have suffered for it. To the point that many people believe that God is anti-sex. Nothing could be further from the truth - He is pro-sex - it's His gift to us.
The Church has been too silent on sex for too long, saying only, "Don't do it", as if it were somehow shameful to mention.
We have to speak out, so that those who believe lies about it can be set free. The truth about how God sees sex needs to be declared, to the Church, as well as anyone else who wonders about it.
The silence is what drives people to pornography, and to harmful sexual relationships.
If people know how good sex can be, done God's way, they wouldn't settle for anything less.
How will they know, if we don't tell them? Starting with our own children!
I want my kids to know WHY we want them to be pure... so that they can relish the pleasure FULLY, after they're One in marriage.
Shalom, Dena
Posted by rayww on August 4, 2005, at 22:25:52
In reply to Re: Our future plans ( or God's), please pray! » rayww, posted by crazy teresa on August 4, 2005, at 20:40:26
Heck no, i wasn't upset. I agree with all said thus far, BUT: I just feel in my own personal case that if I had always been 100% true to my beliefs I wouldn't have had to deal with the powder keg of emotions since. That may or may not be true, but I think it is. I have been tempted and tried as much as is humanly possible to be tempted, and not fall. Catch that? And NOT fall. I have been true to my beliefs since marriage, but it hasn't been easy. I think it would have been easier had I not slipped up a bit before. Anyway, I'm getting in deeper than I had planned, but who plans anything once the typing starts? It's for sure I don't.
I have some serious regrets that I wouldn't have if I had not made mistakes. I know many people who have not made those mistakes, (my kids) and their lives seem different than mine. I want to be 100% pure, from the inside out. And through complete repentance and the atonement of Christ, it is possible, and probable. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke%206:46-49&version=9
Dena, hold back just a little could you??? The compliments I mean:)
Posted by crazy teresa on August 5, 2005, at 16:21:54
In reply to (Thinking that your Bible study would be a HOOT!;) (nm) » crazy teresa, posted by Dena on August 4, 2005, at 20:38:42
How could it not be with me as the entertainment commitee?!!! ROFL!!!
Posted by crazy teresa on August 5, 2005, at 16:35:17
In reply to Re: Our future plans ( or God's), please pray! » crazy teresa, posted by rayww on August 4, 2005, at 22:25:52
I know what you mean rayww. But in my case, I think I learned from my HORRIBLE teenage years why it is so important to be faithful to my husband. I can reflect back on how miserable I felt then when I'm seriously tempted now (and not just by sex.) I ALWAYS have to learn the hard way...
Someday the big hand in the sky may just come right down and give me a big flick with His pointer finger, come on--how could He not want to? ;~}
I think this is why I was so drawn to the high school youth. They really want the truth, whether it's what they want to hear or not. Plus they're soooo much fun!
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 6, 2005, at 2:44:51
In reply to Re: Our future plans ( or God's), please pray! » crazy teresa, posted by rayww on August 4, 2005, at 14:56:58
> Those who indulge in sexual activity outside the bonds of marriage do irreparable damage to themselves and rob the one with whom they are involved of that which can never be restored.
Keeping in mind that the idea here is not to put down the beliefs of others, could you please rephrase that? Thanks,
Bob
Posted by rayww on August 6, 2005, at 14:07:35
In reply to Re: please rephrase that » rayww, posted by Dr. Bob on August 6, 2005, at 2:44:51
People of my faith believe, and I have learned from my own experience: (gosh I thought I already said that) those who indulge in sexual activity outside the bonds of marriage do irreparable damage to themselves and rob the one with whom they are involved of that which can never be restored.
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> Keeping in mind that the idea here is not to put down the beliefs of others, could you please rephrase that? Thanks,
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> BobBut, how else are they going to know unless they are taught??? And, pardon me, but I can't see any way to rephrase something as basic and plain as that statement. Hello. It's true. Maybe it was put too plainly? Could someone please help me out here? I will accept suggestions.
Rather than rephrase it, I will just leave it out. OK, consider it left out. Eliminated.
Posted by sleepygirl on August 6, 2005, at 23:28:57
In reply to Re: please rephrase that, posted by rayww on August 6, 2005, at 14:07:35
Yes I think that may be best. That sounded quite harsh and judgmental to me. "Truth" is quite subjective..... Oh crap I've wandered into the faith board. Just my two cents, couldn't help myself. I'm done now. Thanks.
Posted by gardenergirl on August 7, 2005, at 0:44:06
In reply to Re: please rephrase that, posted by rayww on August 6, 2005, at 14:07:35
> People of my faith believe, and I have learned from my own experience: (gosh I thought I already said that) those who indulge in sexual activity outside the bonds of marriage do irreparable damage to themselves and rob the one with whom they are involved of that which can never be restored.
I respect that this is centered in your faith. But I just need to tell you that my husband and I had premarital sex for several years before we got married. It's part of the overall intimacy we shared that allowed us to know for sure that we belong together and were committed to being together.
I just can't see any harm that came to either one of us from that.
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> But, how else are they going to know unless they are taught??? And, pardon me, but I can't see any way to rephrase something as basic and plain as that statement. Hello. It's true.Again, I respect that it is your truth, but my own truth is very different. And I felt a bit of a sting when I read that maybe I just need to be "taught" that my truth is wrong. I'm not sure if that is what you are saying here, but that's how I read it.
>>Maybe it was put too plainly? Could someone please help me out here? I will accept suggestions.
I think it's okay for you to say what you believe, but perhaps there needs to be explicit acknowledgement that others may believe differently? I don't know. It's part of why I don't post much on this board.
Take care,
gg
Posted by rayww on August 7, 2005, at 9:56:16
In reply to Harsh??? » rayww, posted by sleepygirl on August 6, 2005, at 23:28:57
crap it wasn't meant to be judgemental at all. I don't judge anyone, honest, but I'm not opposed to stating beliefs that I consider truth. I mean no matter how you look at it, sex can = babies, unless of course you are gay and then it might = disease. God wants ALL people to live for their alloted time, and be happy and healthy, or loved and cared for. And that's another truth.
When I read that other quote the first time it pinched me too, but it was a good pinch. I mean there's nothing like repentance. God is so kind. He accepts us just the way we are and helps us turn around. My life is a testament to that. I don't know - maybe I'm getting myself in deeper here - but I think it is a faith topic worthy of discussion. Thank-you for discussing, and hey, there's nothing wrong with visiting the faith board :)
These beliefs are unpopular, but they have been since the beginning of time. Can you see why? I'm guessing Sex is one of the main reasons people turned their backs on God. Fron my own experience, when I have had an attraction, I could not pray. I would kneel down and start, but by the time I got finished my mind would be on the person, like I was praying to him instead of God, also like he had taken God's place as my personal savior. I'm glad that part of my life is over. 10 years, 20, who knows, but once I got into it, it just kept getting worse, like an addiction. If I had acted on any of it, think of the families I might have affected, my own first. I considered it a huge problem of the mind. I have turned it around, but not without scars. I have no idea why I am *confessing* this all over this forum, other than if my experience can help someone else, then it's worth it. Why else do we experience what we do if not to help others avoid our mistakes?
Posted by rayww on August 7, 2005, at 9:59:54
In reply to Re: please rephrase that » rayww, posted by gardenergirl on August 7, 2005, at 0:44:06
gg, thanks for explaining. I care about you, and would never judge.
Posted by gardenergirl on August 7, 2005, at 14:21:08
In reply to Re: please rephrase that, posted by rayww on August 7, 2005, at 9:59:54
(((rayww)))
Take care,
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on August 7, 2005, at 14:23:31
In reply to Re: Harsh??? » sleepygirl, posted by rayww on August 7, 2005, at 9:56:16
> ...I mean no matter how you look at it, sex can = babies, unless of course you are gay and then it might = disease.
Just to clarify, and I'm sure you didn't mean to single out any group. But sex can spread disease regardless of sexual orientation.
gg
Posted by Declan on August 7, 2005, at 15:23:06
In reply to Just to clarify a point, posted by gardenergirl on August 7, 2005, at 14:23:31
I know this is silly, but why do we worry about sex so much?
Declan
Posted by Tamar on August 7, 2005, at 15:52:30
In reply to Re: please rephrase that » rayww, posted by gardenergirl on August 7, 2005, at 0:44:06
> > But, how else are they going to know unless they are taught??? And, pardon me, but I can't see any way to rephrase something as basic and plain as that statement. Hello. It's true.
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> Again, I respect that it is your truth, but my own truth is very different. And I felt a bit of a sting when I read that maybe I just need to be "taught" that my truth is wrong. I'm not sure if that is what you are saying here, but that's how I read it.Thanks for what you posted, GG.
Posted by gardenergirl on August 7, 2005, at 19:46:24
In reply to Re: Just to clarify a point, posted by Declan on August 7, 2005, at 15:23:06
Hi Declan,
I'm not sure what you mean by worrying about sex?gg
Posted by gardenergirl on August 7, 2005, at 19:50:04
In reply to Re: please rephrase that » gardenergirl, posted by Tamar on August 7, 2005, at 15:52:30
But your subject line gave me pause...
;)
gg
Posted by Declan on August 8, 2005, at 0:48:16
In reply to Re: Just to clarify a point » Declan, posted by gardenergirl on August 7, 2005, at 19:46:24
Well I mean that millions of people are starving right now (eg Niger), and thousands are being killed daily (eg Iraq) as a result of political decisions and stuff, and we (well not me) worry about licentiousness and body parts that are just a relatively innocuous part of the human condition.
Declan
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 8, 2005, at 4:12:47
In reply to Re: please rephrase that, posted by rayww on August 6, 2005, at 14:07:35
Posted by Tamar on August 8, 2005, at 5:02:12
In reply to You're welcome » Tamar, posted by gardenergirl on August 7, 2005, at 19:50:04
> But your subject line gave me pause...
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> ;)
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> ggOops! Sorry; I hardly ever think to change the subject line. I'll start paying more attention...
Tamar
Posted by gardenergirl on August 8, 2005, at 10:19:10
In reply to Re: Just to clarify a point » gardenergirl, posted by Declan on August 8, 2005, at 0:48:16
> Well I mean that millions of people are starving right now (eg Niger), and thousands are being killed daily (eg Iraq) as a result of political decisions and stuff, and we (well not me) worry about licentiousness and body parts that are just a relatively innocuous part of the human condition.
I see. Thanks for 'splaining. Off now to meditate on whirled peas.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on August 8, 2005, at 10:19:57
In reply to Re: You're welcome » gardenergirl, posted by Tamar on August 8, 2005, at 5:02:12
No worries. Just had a start. Probably good for me. ;-)
gg
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