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Posted by Lamdage22 on December 22, 2011, at 23:52:59
A new crisis,
Candida. Doc said its the strain that needs nizoral as treatment.
I got the stuff everywhere.. on my testicles, my overall skin smells quickly after shower in general, armpits smell quickly..
My skin is itchy everywhere.. so itchy, id like to scream sometimes. ontop of that i have another viral infection that i probably caught from a woman. This one is considered "harmless" and it will subside, but its very annoying.
There is cheesy smelling stuff even in and on the back of my ears.I took an assessment test from a decent book about candida and my score was sufficient for 3 people to be suspected to have candida overgrowth. 3 and a half.
Like i suspected at an earlier point, my red ears DO come from candida/yeast.
I do the test right now by applying an antifungal to it. I was always ashamed of that so there is a connection between guilt/shame and candida growth in me and candida is again strongly linked to depression/anxiety. immune problems.. allergys... ALL my issues basically.Antidotes as of now: Vitamin C, Multi Vit by thorne naturals, multi min by thorne. Olive Leaf. oregano oil. Occasionally vinegar. DIM, Zinc citrate.. Vitamin A.
No dairy, no gluten no sugar, few carbs.. Coconut Milk. Try to eat greens as much as possible.This seems to have been going on for a long time and may be the origin for most of my problems actually. Allergies, Food Allergies.. Depression, Anxiety (i already found out theres a link between red ears and my mental state). Yeah.. the list goes on and on. When i look back.. i can see how this little fungus bothered me almost all the time.
I conclude that my depression is guilt/shame based.. parents divorced at age 5. And i was exposed to all sorts of inappropriate sexual stuff from early on.. this, too originates in a time that is as long ago as i can remember or even longer ago.
There again is a link to sexual disturbance.. there is a reason why i hit the brothels all the time.That is set on full stop now as you can probably imagine. I just hope theres not even more going on in me. Had testings done.. turned out fine so far for the most frequent STDs. Next week i will get new results.
i guess its a good thing that this finally surfaced and came to my awareness because now i can work toward healing an underlying cause.
Support greatly appreciated!
Lamdage
The time i started having social anxiety at school coincides with acne.. and a bit later on allergies. Depression really kicked in somewhere around there and my self, as i knew it from primary school was gone.I honestly did not really believe that i might be one of the "depressed because of candida" candidates. I hope this encourages people who read this to look into it and get checked out.
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 23, 2011, at 0:07:35
In reply to Accute Candida, times 3, posted by Lamdage22 on December 22, 2011, at 23:52:59
It makes PERFECT sense, im actually exited. And i have been missing my epiphany from a year ago. Now i got the psychobiological version of it:)
Posted by bleauberry on December 28, 2011, at 17:16:54
In reply to Accute Candida, times 3, posted by Lamdage22 on December 22, 2011, at 23:52:59
Probably the most effective substances I've encountered are garlic and berberine. With garlic, the medicine is in the odor, so avoid any de-odorized brands of tabs or capsules. Except the ones that have an enteric coating but are smelly inside. Those are potent.
In terms of meds, diflucan would knock all the stuff out in about 3 days. I've been on and off it several times at varying doses of as low as 25mg and as high as 200mg.
The herbs you are taking now are good and as long as they are helping you then I would keep them, but I would also definitely add in some more firepower along with them. Even a single dose of diflucan would do that. Even if just one clove of fresh uncooked garlic every other day or so would be very supportive in the battle. Berberine also.
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 28, 2011, at 23:30:15
In reply to Re: Accute Candida, times 3, posted by bleauberry on December 28, 2011, at 17:16:54
Hi bleauberry,
thanks for your post. Wow.. this is turning into a battlefield here. The stuff is manifesting on my skin.. my tongue after the first days on the diet turned BLACK. (Donna Gates "Body Ecology Diet") My tongue has white stuff on it every couple hours again after i have cleaned it.. i try to add some clove oil to my toothpaste and brush it. Plus i got shower gel and nosespray with grape seed extract. And a tongue cleaner from the health food store. So as to not reinfect my own tummy.
Any methods against skin manifestations of candida that have proven effective?
I will try to go the natural route. i mean nature provides with potent stuff, as you mentioned also. What i eat now is raw coconut-kefir, raw sauerkraut, kimchi.. (yes on nardil :S), raw cabbage and cale.. coconut oil. Alkaline grain like seeds (or was it the other way around?).
Seaweed, seasalt.. vegan protein. olive oild. LOTs of Minerals.. probiotic. Natural antifungals.. and so forthSo this should be a cautionary tale to everyone who starts overeating on antidepressants. This just might be what "drug poop-out" really is in cases.
Although im plagued (really) by the severity it has hit me with.. im fighting a battle and i regained brand new hope:)
Think about it guys.. maybe you "got fungus", too and get way too caught up in the whole meds world. My Psychiatrist admitted that he had several guys going away from meds to raw organic food.
And he said this guy he is in contact with is "doin GREAT". He sounded real enthusiastic about it:)I have gone off everything except nardil and low dose ambien(new) now.
My Pdoc and me felt its time to give my brain a break from antipsychotics. Furthermore i got a handfull of xanax just as something in the back of my head if i feel all too crappy during detox.. (or life:S ). Not looking at taking that regularly at all.@Bleauberry: Do you think the skin manifestations should be reason to go slow with antifungals, so as to not overwhelm the body with toxins?
Im not so sure if this should be considered a die-off reaction. I mean its living fungus stemming out of the intestine. Maybe the fungus is trying to go down that route, so as to survive in my body. (now that it has become uncomfortable for the fungus in my intestine)
What do you think?Ps.: Yes i, too am worried about raw sauerkraut and nardil. I eat it slowly, not on empty stomach and got the nifedipine around :s
Just a side note for those cruising the web and not knowing about it: If youre sensitive to tyramine reaction with MAOI, you may die from doing this. Extreme caution advised. Think of it the same way as if you would handle battery acid. (Sauerkraut on nardil is no good idea without knowing what your doing and having an antidote for high BP). at all.
I dont advise everyone to go off their meds.. and i wont go off my nardil either in any near future. But i urgently suggest to try this diet/get candida checked out. And NO binge eating.. change your diet, if that doesnt help change your meds. I came very close to doing that before the candida insight "hit me". Candida makes you crave sugar and carbs!
What i also found really interesting is a link between traumatization and candida growth. Repressed emotions were also mentioned in several places. Very interesting stuff and im getting all caught up in that whole topic lol.
I got a severe case though and a "mutated" strain or what not. Its a more serious one according to my dr. Just forgot the name. Candida .. not albicans sth else.Anyway.. there is sth going on again with me. And i try to embrace it.
Peace Ld
> Probably the most effective substances I've encountered are garlic and berberine. With garlic, the medicine is in the odor, so avoid any de-odorized brands of tabs or capsules. Except the ones that have an enteric coating but are smelly inside. Those are potent.
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> In terms of meds, diflucan would knock all the stuff out in about 3 days. I've been on and off it several times at varying doses of as low as 25mg and as high as 200mg.
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> The herbs you are taking now are good and as long as they are helping you then I would keep them, but I would also definitely add in some more firepower along with them. Even a single dose of diflucan would do that. Even if just one clove of fresh uncooked garlic every other day or so would be very supportive in the battle. Berberine also.
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 29, 2011, at 0:15:28
In reply to Think about it.. (Re:bleauberry), posted by Lamdage22 on December 28, 2011, at 23:30:15
Ps.: Im pretty positive you cant just "kill" candida. Its about turning candida back into the organism it is naturally in the body.
For sure you cant just "kill" the more serious candida with multiple food intolerances, allergys and chem sensitivities + skin manifestations. Its alot like psychotherapy in the way it should be approached.Trying to heal from candida too fast has brought people into emergency care. There can be loads of toxins released into the body at once and then you just may be allergic against almost everything.. including antifungals (...)
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 29, 2011, at 2:18:40
In reply to Re: Think about it.. (Re:bleauberry), posted by Lamdage22 on December 29, 2011, at 0:15:28
Anyone know what to put on my hands and other candida infected skin areas??
Antifungal, probiotic on the skin or both? Do you guys know a good recipe?
Please someone help.. new years eve comes up and right now i cant even shake hands with somebody.. not to mention reinfecting myself. Im allergic to Latex and now Vinyl also, so no gloves
Posted by bleauberry on December 29, 2011, at 8:04:56
In reply to Accute Candida, times 3, posted by Lamdage22 on December 22, 2011, at 23:52:59
In my view the best way to determine dosage sizes and titration schedules is by feel, starting at tiny doses and increasing in small steps as tolerated. If you get too toxic, you will know it for sure and that is the cue to stop the doses for a day or two or at least reduce the dose to a level where the toxicity isn't so bad. And then, just time.
Keeo in mind also that with any kind of rampant infection like this, involving an organism which is usually well under control by a normal immune system, the infection is evidence that the immune system is dysfunctional. So in addition to the herbs you take to actually kill stuff, you need to think in terms of supporting and rebalancing the immune system. There are a number of herbs and roots that into that category, my favorites including japanese knotweed and rhodiola rosea. They are not for immediate knock down of candida but they do provide a solid platform which will improve everything else you do.
For the immediate moment, there is nothing more effective in my opinion than diflucan. If you could get some, just a single 50mg....then wait 3 days to see what happens....if nothing has changed and no herxing then do 100mg and wait another 3 days. Keep at it until you find what dose and schedule causes stuff to happen. I found nystatin useless. All the antifungal herbs were good and certainly each put a dent in the enemy, but they were slow and not as potent compared to the effectiveness of diflucan. The most potent immediate natural substance I have encountered is uncooked garlic, 1 to 5 cloves per day. Another one I forgot to mention was Pau D'ARco tea. Kind of a weird flavor, but it is a really potent antimicrobial, wiith massive herxes hitting me about 3 days after drinking a single cup.
Diflucan. Garlic. Those will get this under control fast. I wouldn't worry too much about getting too toxic as long as you begin very gently, allow at least 3 to 4 days between any dose changes, and be flexible in adjusting to changing conditions.
With the exception of garlic, diflucan, and berberine, I am not confident the other herbs will be very effective at the skin level.
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 29, 2011, at 16:23:12
In reply to Re: Accute Candida, times 3, posted by bleauberry on December 29, 2011, at 8:04:56
Hi bleauberry,
thanks for your response. I have put some couple hundred billion probiotics into kefir and then on my hands. This provided some relief from the burning and itching.
Im off to the doctor now. Will keep diflucan in mind.
It really needs to be something systhemic, not just in the gut i guess.. I just cheated on my diet :/
Not much fun. I wanna be able to be social again asap.
So garlic enters the bloodstream, too?Thanks, Ld
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 29, 2011, at 16:26:33
In reply to Re: Accute Candida, times 3, posted by Lamdage22 on December 29, 2011, at 16:23:12
Im thinking i may need more pro than anti.. but i have no clue.
Cuz this developed from washing and cleaning all the time.
Hope the Dr. will help.Personal Hygiene.. greeat :/
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 29, 2011, at 21:17:30
In reply to Re: Accute Candida, times 3, posted by bleauberry on December 29, 2011, at 8:04:56
Ok ive been at the Docs place.. he said its not contagious exept through having sex.
The main agents now are Nizoral 200mg, Coconut-Oil, about 10 teaspoons a day and 2 cloves of garlic, swalled as a whole. Cultured raw vegetables, candida digesting enzymes and a strong probiotic.
The rest should be left out for now according to the dr. Also i have an "exotic" strain that is resistent to many anti-fungal drugs with a few exceptions including Nizoral. I will then after a while cycle the natural antifungals in order to not become allergic or resistant to anything.For my hands he gave me hypo-allergenic gloves.. so i can put a thick layer of antifungal or probiotic mess in it over night.
Im relieved somewhat through this visit.
Posted by Christ_empowered on January 1, 2012, at 22:46:06
In reply to Re: Accute Candida, times 3, posted by Lamdage22 on December 23, 2011, at 0:07:35
I read somewhere that massive doses of niacinamide (b3---one of the "no flush" forms of niacin) can disrupt candida and improve symptoms. I forget how exactly it works though. If nothing else, niacinamide is good for skin, depression, and anxiety.
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 2, 2012, at 23:08:23
In reply to Re: Accute Candida, times 3, posted by Christ_empowered on January 1, 2012, at 22:46:06
> I read somewhere that massive doses of niacinamide (b3---one of the "no flush" forms of niacin) can disrupt candida and improve symptoms. I forget how exactly it works though. If nothing else, niacinamide is good for skin, depression, and anxiety.
Hey.. thanks for the hint. I take around 200mg of the substance you mentioned in my vitamin B supplement.
I wonder if and when i should go easy on my Meds.. i take Nardil 90mg, Ambien 6.25 and as needed xanax.
Looking at the severity of my candida infection i may want to look at some form of liver support and long term a reduction or change in meds. Something thats easy on the liver...
I am confident that this Candida is THE biological cause of my depression. And of course i dont want to blow my liver
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 4, 2012, at 19:03:36
In reply to Re: Accute Candida, times 3, posted by Lamdage22 on January 2, 2012, at 23:08:23
Hey Guys..
it seems that nizoral severely delays the way Ambien works. Onset of Ambien action is delayed AND it gets metabolized wayy slower so i end up sleeping way too long.
I take 100mg Nizoral in the AM and 6.25 Ambien in the PM.
Do you think taking 50mg Nizoral will still have some effect? I am very worried about my liver and all.
All the toxins that are released into my body. Obviously my liver gets hit strong...
Any input appreciated. ThanksA greeting,
Lamdage
Posted by bleauberry on January 5, 2012, at 11:10:38
In reply to Dr Visit., posted by Lamdage22 on December 29, 2011, at 21:17:30
Glad the visit went ok for you.
So it looks like you've got a good arsenal of weapons to begin bringing down the population of pathogens, but nonoe of them really do a whole lot to modulate or support the immune system, which is where the problem really is. What is happening here is we are using some deadly herbs to try to kill things that our immune system should have had no problem with. The immune system is the problem, not the candida.
Lyme and heavy metals are notorious for causing both immune system dysfunction as well as candida overgrowth. So you would be wise to take a real close look into both of those areas, even if you think they don't apply to you, they very well could.
I didn't see any mention of diflucan. I gotta tell ya, my own experience and reading many other posts on the net, I can't understand why you were not given this drug. Even a single dose could move you forward in a single day more than 2 weeks of all the herbs.
Without question the herbs are by far the superior long term plan. But for immediate acute action, diflucan is good at that. I killed more candida in 2 days with that drug than in a month on herbs. The herbs are far better, but diflucan has the immediate results the herbs don't have.
To rebalance, modulate and support the immune system, I would look at two herbs. The first is called Resveratrol, but it is actually the Japanese Knotweed the resveratrol was extracted from that we want. You get all that from a product called Resveratrol by Source Naturals. It is Japanese knotweed. Other brands are made from grapes and would be useless to you. If you order some, get the version that is 40mg tabs or caps and be sure it is from japanese knotweed not grapes. The other herb is rhodiola rosea.
I guess what I am saying is, you can kill kill kill all you want forever, but without doing something to revive and support the immune system, progress is going to be slow and/or partial. It looks like candida is the problem but it really isn't.....the immune system is the problem. What got it so weak? How was it defeated so profoundly? What opened the door for immune weakness? In my experience the causes are either stealth unsuspected infections or stealth unsuspected accumulation of lead/mercury....some people just have poor genes at removing toxins and so they tend to accumulate toxic levels over time from seemingly miniscule exposure.
So anyway, I am completely behind you in what you are doing and I am happy to see your list of supps. I just think you need to take it to the next step....begin immune system repair in addition to the ongoing pathogen killing.
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 7, 2012, at 1:36:08
In reply to Re: Dr Visit. » Lamdage22, posted by bleauberry on January 5, 2012, at 11:10:38
Hi bleauberry,
well i do quite alot for the immune system. That is Echinacea, Black Elderberry and this product called "counter attack" http://www.rainbowlight.com/Categories.aspx?Category=627c3de8-0e1b-4e76-84da-db4310a07f51
And not to forget the probiotics/probiotic foods.I also have molluscum contagiosum, so you have a very good point with the immune system. Right now i band-aid all the bumps, so they dont spread anymore. They do go away with my "treatment", but new ones come up, too. That one is a bummer, the molluscum!
> Lyme and heavy metals are notorious for causing both immune system dysfunction as well as candida overgrowth. So you would be wise to take a real close look into both of those areas, even if you think they don't apply to you, they very well could.
I had a heavy metal test, but i think it wasnt performed too properly.. will look at taking it again.
Lyme disease? Hmm i assume there is a blood test for it?
What i also definitely have, is the Eppstein-Barr-Virus. Idk what can be done to keep that one low. It affects my immune system definitely though.
Another thing is my nose.. it has some weaknesses, lymph swollen and sth is too big and so on. I wanna see though if that didnt come from candida.
> I didn't see any mention of diflucan.
But for immediate acute action, diflucan is good at that. I killed more candida in 2 days with that drug than in a month on herbs. The herbs are far better, but diflucan has the immediate results the herbs don't have.Ill take a look at it. I take nizoral though which is ketoconazole. Isnt that even stronger?
I am getting to know a potential partner and.. at some point we may like take things physical, so i shouldnt have the contagious state of candida anymore by then. The molluscum contagiosum (contagious skin virus) is a real bummer with that. Well well..
I think were gonna do an allround STD panel anyway (shes cautious, too).Should i ask her to take a candida blood test as well, do you think?
> You get all that from a product called Resveratrol by Source Naturals. It is Japanese knotweed. Other brands are made from grapes and would be useless to you. If you order some, get the version that is 40mg tabs or caps and be sure it is from japanese knotweed not grapes. The other herb is rhodiola rosea.
Will do both of these! Thanks
> I guess what I am saying is, you can kill kill kill all you want forever, but without doing something to revive and support the immune system, progress is going to be slow and/or partial. It looks like candida is the problem but it really isn't.....the immune system is the problem. What got it so weak? How was it defeated so profoundly? What opened the door for immune weakness? In my experience the causes are either stealth unsuspected infections or stealth unsuspected accumulation of lead/mercury....some people just have poor genes at removing toxins and so they tend to accumulate toxic levels over time from seemingly miniscule exposure.
Yes, i am sensitive to lots of stuff.. As soon as i can, i will remove molds, electricity-radiation allergenes and everything from my place. As soon as i have a permanent place. Also ill have an aircleaner running etc. We live in a toxic world so at least the living/sleeping place should be a healthy place.
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> So anyway, I am completely behind you in what you are doing and I am happy to see your list of supps. I just think you need to take it to the next step....begin immune system repair in addition to the ongoing pathogen killing.Thanks for your post!
Posted by Lamdage22 on November 24, 2012, at 8:01:55
In reply to Re: Dr Visit. » Lamdage22, posted by bleauberry on January 5, 2012, at 11:10:38
Bleauberry and others:
I am in a Thai-Detox center right now.. a pretty hardcore program with lots of detox and elimination therapies and twice a day colon hydrotherapy. In the morning with apple cider and coffee and in the afternoon with garlic in the water.
At the end of the program, there will be probiotics in the so called "colemas" (basically self administered colon-hydrotherapy)I have just been to a local thai pharmacy and bought myself some Diflucan and some Nizoral. (What an awesome place!)
Here in the Detox Center is a lot of support and its a great place.
I do take nardil, currently 60mg. Now i wonder if, in the middle of the detox, i should do some 3 days Diflucan and pause Nardil for 3 days? My biggest concern is the liver.
Regards,
hope youre all doing well.
Julian
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"I didn't see any mention of diflucan. I gotta tell ya, my own experience and reading many other posts on the net, I can't understand why you were not given this drug. Even a single dose could move you forward in a single day more than 2 weeks of all the herbs.Without question the herbs are by far the superior long term plan. But for immediate acute action, diflucan is good at that. I killed more candida in 2 days with that drug than in a month on herbs. The herbs are far better, but diflucan has the immediate results the herbs don't have."
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