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Posted by Trotter on February 24, 2009, at 4:40:38
Threelac is a probiotic used to treat yeast infections. It is claimed that yeast infections can cause depression, anxiety, irritability and lack of energy, and 101 other ailments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFI7JBLjJ6E
How common yeast infections are and how they affect people's health is somewhat controversial, but I believe I have had a yeast infection for 30 years or so, which I have partly controlled through diet. I have suffered from depression for 10 years, so it has always been in the back of my mind that the yeast infection may be a factor.
Anyway, I have started taking one sachet a day of Threelac. I will probably have to gradually increase to 3, or even 5 sachets to completely rid myself of the yeast infection, and this may take up to 6 months. Benefits will hopefully be felt long before this.
This is only my second day and I am experiencing quite significant die-off symptoms, mainly a heavy brain fog. Hopefully this won't last too long.
Has anyone else used Threelac as a strategy for treating a yeast infection as the underlying cause of their depression or anxiety?
Trotter
Posted by Sigismund on February 24, 2009, at 13:50:09
In reply to Anyone taken Threelac for depression or anxiety?, posted by Trotter on February 24, 2009, at 4:40:38
>Has anyone else used Threelac as a strategy for treating a yeast infection as the underlying cause of their depression or anxiety?
For a year or so I used a probiotic and Nyastatin, along with a new diet (no wine or beer either).
Did it help? Yes, it helped my general health.
Did it help my depression and anxiety? Maybe. If so, not much.
Posted by Jimmyboy on February 24, 2009, at 22:02:56
In reply to Re: Anyone taken Threelac for depression or anxiety?, posted by Sigismund on February 24, 2009, at 13:50:09
Adding some anti-inflammatory supp's or meds may help considerably with the brain fog you are experiencing.
Posted by SLS on February 25, 2009, at 7:48:26
In reply to Re: Anyone taken Threelac for depression or anxiety?, posted by Jimmyboy on February 24, 2009, at 22:02:56
> Adding some anti-inflammatory supp's or meds may help considerably with the brain fog you are experiencing.
Hi.
Would you be able to mention a few supplements or drugs that are anti-inflammatory in the brain?
Thanks.
- Scott
Posted by Jimmyboy on February 25, 2009, at 15:55:13
In reply to Re: Anyone taken Threelac for depression or anxiety? » Jimmyboy, posted by SLS on February 25, 2009, at 7:48:26
Well, first of all I must admit .. I don't know if actual "inflammation of the brain itself" is what causes brain fog, it may be low grade inflammtions somewhere else in the CNS or other parts of the body and the inflmmatory cytokines cross the BBB and effect the brain in that way.. but I guess it doesn;t matter much.
Here is a list of things that have helped me and others I have read about ( I am sure I may leave some out)
Supps
1. Omega 3's
2. Bosweillia
3. Sesamin
4. Borage Oil ( GLA)
5. CurcuminPrescription Meds
1. Celecoxib ( celebrex)
2. low dose hydrocortisone ( careful with this - see a doctor before and get cortisol levels tested) - but probably the strongest of the bunch to fight inflammation - too much is a very bad thing though.
3. Wellbutrin as well as other AD's have some anti-inflammatory effects ( a possible explaination why they sometimes actually work IMO)
Posted by bleauberry on February 25, 2009, at 18:38:47
In reply to Re: Anyone taken Threelac for depression or anxiety?, posted by Jimmyboy on February 25, 2009, at 15:55:13
> Here is a list of things that have helped me and others I have read about ( I am sure I may leave some out)
>
> Supps
> 1. Omega 3's
> 2. Bosweillia
> 3. Sesamin
> 4. Borage Oil ( GLA)
> 5. CurcuminFish oil omega 3 is actually strongly pro-inflammatory to me. That is, it causes profoud inflammation. I don't know much about the others mentioned above.
>
> Prescription Meds
> 1. Celecoxib ( celebrex)
> 2. low dose hydrocortisone ( careful with this - see a doctor before and get cortisol levels tested) - but probably the strongest of the bunch to fight inflammation - too much is a very bad thing though.
> 3. Wellbutrin as well as other AD's have some anti-inflammatory effects ( a possible explaination why they sometimes actually work IMO)Not sure about the antidepressants. Some of them have been strongly inflammatory to me. Lexapro I believe was a potent anti-inflammatory, where Prozac was a potent pro-inflammatory. For me.
Actually the best cheapest quickest route and would probably be the first line for most MDs is good ole Ibuprofen. Note, not acetaminophen.
Brain fog is most likely the toxins secreted by the dying pathogens, as well as the decaying parts of their bodies, all of which are swirling around in the body in quantities too great to be excreted quickly. One can reduce the dose, or approach the dose in pulsing strategies, to minimize the Herx reaction. Whenever I had fierce brain fog and fatigue during a Herx reaction on an antibiotic, Ibuprofen helped more than anything, as a pro-energy, anti-brainfog, and antidepressant. Yeah, a mood lift on Ibuprofen. Weird, eh? Inflammation is a hidden disease I believe.
Another helpful supplement is to take activated charcoal and/or bentonite clay at bedtime (at least two hours after food and other supplements). These will absorb all the junk and dead stuff in the intestine and bowels so they do not get reabsorbed.
Hydrocortisone is definitely effective. Was for me anyway. And all I took was 1.25mg for a week and then 2.5mg for another week. Usually physiological replacement doses for someone with low cortisol (but not Addisons disease) has a max dose of 20mg. This is right about at boundary where it could enter the danger zone of beginning to slow down or shut down the adrenal glands. 5mg to 15mg is very safe. These are tiny fractions of the doses used for other conditions, which by the way give hydrocortisone its hazardous reputation. Hypoadrenalism is commonly treated with 5mg to 20mg with negligible risk.
There is actually a prescription med specifically to soak up the toxins in the blood during a Herx reaction and darn I can't recall its name. I'll repost if I can find it.
One more thing. Bromelain in high doses. At regular doses it is a digestive enzyme. At high doses some of it gets through the intestines into the blood, where it actually devours garbage floating around. That lessens inflammation and brain fog.
In the book Amalgam Illness the author says the best anti-brainfog med he used during detox was Hydergine 10mg. That's kind of a high dose for most people, and I've never tried it.
I have always wondered if Threelac actually works. Since you are having a significant identifiable Herx reaction, I guess it is killing some stuff.
Whether candida/yeast is the core cause of your symptoms or a contributing complication to them, getting it under control can do nothing but help improve symptoms of all kinds, strengthen your body to fight other things, spend energy where it is needed rather than in a battle, and make other treatments more likely to succeed.
Posted by Trotter on February 25, 2009, at 21:19:08
In reply to Re: Anyone taken Threelac for depression or anxiety?, posted by bleauberry on February 25, 2009, at 18:38:47
The die-off symptoms are tolerable so I think I will just ride them out. I may try some Ibuprofen though.
Just as a matter of interest, my tongue is looking much healthier. I guess that persistent white coating was Candida after all!
I'm not sure how much my depression will be helped by this experiment, but if it improves my overall health that can't be a bad thing.
Trotter
Posted by Jimmyboy on February 25, 2009, at 21:29:41
In reply to Re: Anyone taken Threelac for depression or anxiety?, posted by bleauberry on February 25, 2009, at 18:38:47
Yeah hydrocortisone is the bomb for inflammation - and agreed at those levels ( 1-20 mgs) its not going to be a problem and they definitely elevate mood.
Bipolars be careful though prednisone ( 4x stronger version of hydrocortisone) has been known to cause mania.
Posted by Sigismund on March 2, 2009, at 1:46:47
In reply to Re: Anyone taken Threelac for depression or anxiety?, posted by bleauberry on February 25, 2009, at 18:38:47
>Fish oil omega 3 is actually strongly pro-inflammatory to me. That is, it causes profound inflammation.
BB, what does it do to you?
How do you know this?
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