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Posted by lynn970 on August 30, 2005, at 22:05:09
My endochronologist (misspelled) put me on magnesium several years ago. I eventually quit taking it. I saw several post about magnesium. What is it good for? Maybe I should get back on magnesium.
Posted by willyee on August 30, 2005, at 22:05:10
In reply to Why is magnesium used?, posted by lynn970 on August 29, 2005, at 19:50:07
> My endochronologist (misspelled) put me on magnesium several years ago. I eventually quit taking it. I saw several post about magnesium. What is it good for? Maybe I should get back on magnesium.
This will probuably get redirected to alternative babble,but WOW mangesium has tons of benifits,a long list.Just off the top of my head it can be used as a mild tranquilzer,used to help with sleep and as a mood stablizer.
I remeber reading a article where someone claimed they were cured of a life long,drug treated maniac depression which was quickly stopped upon taking mangesium glycinate.
But again magnesium has pounds of uses,epsom salt is used in baths to qwell aching pains.
Posted by lynn970 on August 30, 2005, at 22:05:11
In reply to Re: Why is magnesium used?, posted by willyee on August 29, 2005, at 20:03:10
Posted by linkadge on August 30, 2005, at 22:05:12
In reply to Re: Why is magnesium used?, posted by willyee on August 29, 2005, at 20:03:10
Yeah, magnesium is extremely important. When you are under a lot of stress, magnesium and vitamin C are among the first to be excreted from the adrenal glands. It has a direct calming effects.
For many magnesium and vitanin C are the cournerstone to the alternative treatment of
bipolar disorder.Even when AD's have long since failed, I can buy time released magnesium and vitamin C, and start to feel better over the course of a day.
Linkadge
Posted by lynn970 on August 30, 2005, at 22:05:12
In reply to Re: Why is magnesium used?, posted by linkadge on August 30, 2005, at 7:10:19
Wow, thanks guys.
Posted by Tom Twilight on September 1, 2005, at 4:41:45
In reply to Re: Why is magnesium used?, posted by lynn970 on August 30, 2005, at 16:02:49
I'm a fan of magnesium
I find it quite calming, and I think a lot of us don't get enough in our diet
Its depleted by salt and coffee for one thingApparently there's a link between low magnesium and benzo deppendence
I currently use a chelated for, which seems OK,I wonder which is the most bioavailble form though, any ideas?
Posted by JLx on September 1, 2005, at 20:48:04
In reply to Why is magnesium used?, posted by lynn970 on August 29, 2005, at 19:50:07
> My endochronologist (misspelled) put me on magnesium several years ago. I eventually quit taking it. I saw several post about magnesium. What is it good for? Maybe I should get back on magnesium.
Since it was your endocrinologist, was s/he concerned about either thyroid or insulin problems? Magnesium is especially useful in both cases.
A couple good books on the subject are "The Magnesium Factor" by Mildred Seelig, M.D. and "The Miracle of Magnesium" by Carolyn Dean, M.D. I've read them both and came away thinking that if everyone did, they'd be taking extra magnesium.
Magnesium supplementation has done wonders for me, from alleviating dry, itchy skin to preventing suicide ideation. It's a de-stressor in general, including to the brain. Too much calcium is an excitotoxin to brain cells, which I think was the problem that manifested in me as suicidal despair. Magnesium is a natural calcium channel blocker.
I was following the typical advise about preventing osteoporosis and took calicium supplements for years (until I had a calcium kidney stone). Not only was I often suicidal feeling, but also extremely irritable, sensitive to sound (I stole 2 of my neighbors wind chimes because they were literally driving me nuts!), frequently teary and had outright crying spells when stressed and often had that "can't cope" feeling -- all alleviated by magnesium.
It infuriates me now that I felt so bad for so many years following conventional wisdom about calcium. And yes, I was taking the kind of calcium/mag recommended in a 2 to 1 ratio. But what I didn't know was that the kind of magnesium, magnesium oxide, in my both my multi and the cal/mag combo was next to useless (absorbed at about 5%).
Better forms of magnesium in terms of absorbability, are magnesium glycinate, taurate, chloride, malate, citrate.
I like magnesium glycinate because of it's calming effect. I also take magnesium taurate and malate. Mg citrate is the most likely to give me diarrhea.
When I first started supplementing with magnesium, in some ways I felt better almost immediately (dry skin, mood) while some others took months, such as straightening out my thyroid function.
It's a great supplement.
JL
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on September 2, 2005, at 5:59:13
In reply to Re: Why is magnesium used? » lynn970, posted by JLx on September 1, 2005, at 20:48:04
I am definately going to start getting some magnesium in my diet! What sort of doseages are we talking about for any effect?
Posted by JLx on September 2, 2005, at 7:48:14
In reply to Re: Why is magnesium used?, posted by Meri-Tuuli on September 2, 2005, at 5:59:13
> I am definately going to start getting some magnesium in my diet! What sort of doseages are we talking about for any effect?
Mildred Seelig recommends 6-8 mg per kg of body weight, but I think that was for "normal" people, and may be too low for people under conditions that deplete magnesium, i.e. stress, diets high in fat, sugar, phosphate, phytates, Vit D, calcium; intense exercise; use of prescription drugs, alcohol.
Here's an excellent page about it, including a quiz to see if you are magnesium deficient:
http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081501.htm
Here's a nutritionist's recommendations. http://www.krispin.com/magnes.html#Recommended%20Dietary
Carolyn Dean recommended 500 mg supplementation for most women.
Here's a good page on magnesium and aging: http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/1999-No3-MagnesiumandAging.cfm
The problem in taking supplements of magnesium can be diarrhea, which you don't want as that just makes a magnesium deficiency worse.
Spacing out supplements, and experimenting with the different types to see which are most tolerable, is necessary. And don't forget food and water. Fiji water is one that has a good ratio of calcium to magnesium as mg is almost equal.
It is possible to take too much mg also in terms of the calcium/magnesium ratio, as I've done it. For me that was very little calcium in my diet along with 800-1000 mg of magnesium.
When I first started taking it, however, I tried to take 1000 mg, and did so for about 2 months before I felt as if I was getting more balanced and had to worry about more calcium. There's also potassium and sodium that mix into the works there, but I can't begin to explain it.
The bottom line is that most of our diets are deficient in even the RDA for magnesium, much less what's probably optimal. Add in stress and other factors, such as how hard it is to obtain from one's diet these days, and I think most people could benefit from additional 4-600 mg/day. That's only 2-3 200mg tablets, so easily doable.
Despite what you may ordinarily may hear about taking it with food, Carolyn Dean said to take it on an empty stomach, or at least without a high fat content meal.
JL
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on September 2, 2005, at 12:26:58
In reply to How much magnesium? » Meri-Tuuli, posted by JLx on September 2, 2005, at 7:48:14
I have just ordered some online from higher nature. I will give it ago!
Thanks for all the info.
Meri-Tuuli
xx
Posted by lynn970 on September 11, 2005, at 20:13:16
In reply to Re: Why is magnesium used? » lynn970, posted by JLx on September 1, 2005, at 20:48:04
Thank you so much that was very useful. I see an endochronologist because of a low thyroid.
I do not skip magnesium since I posted this question.
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