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Posted by Bubblehead on September 29, 2004, at 15:19:09
In reply to Re: Very IRRITABLE!!! Help! » Bubblehead, posted by JLx on September 27, 2004, at 13:05:53
> Magnesium.
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> "Magnesium also helps regulate nerve cell function. Its presence in adequate amounts in the synaptic gap between nerve cells controls the rate of neuron firing. Nerves fire easily when magnesium levels are too low. The effect of this rapid firing is increased sensitivity to stimulation of all kinds. Noise will sound excessively loud, emotional reactions will be exaggerated, and the brain may be too stimulated to sleep. ... A deficiency of magnesium can present common psychiatric symptoms including depression, anxiety, restlessness, and irritability. Depressed patients have been found to have lower levels of magnesium." http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/print/1999-No3-MagnesiumandAging.htm
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> This really works. When I feel especially irritable I always take magnesium and it always works. The sound sensitivity especially is a real tip off for magnesium deficiency. Make sure you DON'T take magnesium oxide, mg glutamate or mg aspartate as they are not well absorbed and/or contraindicated for psychiatric conditions.
This is really fascinating to me. You see I go to a naturalist and this is something he has me taking 3X daily for my hypogycemia. The stuff he has me on is called MgB. Here is the run down of what's in it:
Magnesium (oxide) 300mg
Vit B1 (thiamin HCI) 15mg
Vit B2 (Ribolflavin) 10mg
Vit B3 (Niacin) 15mg
Vit B5 (Pantthenate) 10mg
Vit B6 (Pyrodoxine HCI) 10mg
Vit B12(Cyanocobalamin) 12mcg
Folic Acid 400mcgI'm going to look into this more. I thought it was all the same. I'm not the most intelligent, I just do what the doctor says, duh.
> Mg is also depleted, btw, by diets high in sugar and other refined carbs.
That is my main cause of hypoglycemia.
> Some people find calcium relaxing, but I'd try the magnesium and B vitamins, especially niacinamide, first. If you are taking calcium supplements or eat a very calcium rich diet and don't also take magnesium supplements or take something useless like magnesium oxide, then you may be experiencing the excitoxic effects of excess calcium. Magnesium will definitely help with that. In my experience, it also counteracts the excitotoxic effects of aspartame.I'm confused (told you I wasn't smart.) I take this mg oxide plus I'm a "big" milk drinker. Is that a bad mix?
> Taurine or any of the other calming amino acids, such as GABA and glycine may also help, but I'd definitely try the magnesium first.
I'm so desperate, I want to try everything. But I don't want to mix the wrong things.
> Welcome to the alt med board! :)Thanks! And Thanks for the Book tip too!
Posted by Bubblehead on September 29, 2004, at 15:24:05
In reply to Re: Forgot to say.... » JLx, posted by JLx on September 27, 2004, at 13:22:04
I've been checking into Bach Flower Essences for my irritability problem. Does anyone have experience with them? Do they really work? I would be interested to find out. They claim they can help all kinds of ailments (including depression). Anyone with knowledge of this stuff please let me know your experience with it.
Thank you.
Posted by JLx on September 29, 2004, at 16:13:52
In reply to Re: Very IRRITABLE!!! Help! » JLx, posted by Bubblehead on September 29, 2004, at 15:19:09
> This is really fascinating to me. You see I go to a naturalist and this is something he has me taking 3X daily for my hypogycemia. The stuff he has me on is called MgB. Here is the run down of what's in it:
> Magnesium (oxide) 300mg
> Vit B1 (thiamin HCI) 15mg
> Vit B2 (Ribolflavin) 10mg
> Vit B3 (Niacin) 15mg
> Vit B5 (Pantthenate) 10mg
> Vit B6 (Pyrodoxine HCI) 10mg
> Vit B12(Cyanocobalamin) 12mcg
> Folic Acid 400mcg
>
> I'm going to look into this more. I thought it was all the same. I'm not the most intelligent, I just do what the doctor says, duh.See this post by Larry Hoover re magnesium oxide and the likelihood of a calcium vs magnesium deficiency: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030306/msgs/207021.html
I suspect some doctors just don't know the ins and outs of absorption rates of the different kinds of magnesium.
> I'm confused (told you I wasn't smart.) I take this mg oxide plus I'm a "big" milk drinker. Is that a bad mix?If you're getting say, 1000 mg of calcium from your diet, and 900 mg of magnesium from mg oxide, but the mg oxide is only absorbed at 4% of the volume you're only actually getting 36 mg of magnesium, for a 25:1, calcium to magnesium ratio (if my math's right! ;)). Most advice you see is to take calcium to magnesium at 2:1 or 1:1.
> > Taurine or any of the other calming amino acids, such as GABA and glycine may also help, but I'd definitely try the magnesium first.
> I'm so desperate, I want to try everything. But I don't want to mix the wrong things.Niacinamide is just another form of the niacin you are already taking. Magnesium, in another more absorbable form, is also something you're already taking so mixing those two would be nothing new.
> > Welcome to the alt med board! :)
>
> Thanks! And Thanks for the Book tip too!Here's an excerpt from Dr. Dean's book, "The Miracle of Magnesium", http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=0345445880&view=excerpt
About one of her examples she says,
"In her case it had been made even worse by too much calcium, however, so simple magnesium supplementation wouldn't be enough for Mary. Her diet and lifestyle needed a complete overhaul. I gave Mary a list of magnesium-rich foods that she needed to start eating, which included nuts, beans, greens, and seeds such as sunflower and pumpkin. ... After a week of enthusiastically eating a lot more magnesium-rich foods, Mary felt somewhat better. ... After her second visit I recommended that she begin taking magnesium supplements. Starting with a dosage of 200 mg a day, we added another 200 mg every two days to build slowly to 600 mg. I cautioned her that it could take months to eliminate magnesium deficiency symptoms and that not all her symptoms would necessarily respond. Within two months, however, Mary was singing the praises of magnesium. Her palpitations and panic attacks had disappeared. Her cravings for sweets were fewer, she was able to control her blood sugar with diet alone, and tests for blood sugar were normal. Her leg cramps were gone, and with them her insomnia. At three months we added calcium along with magnesium so that she would not develop an imbalance of the two."
When I first started taking magnesium I cut out calcium altogether, as I had concluded I was probably overloaded. (I drank milk and ate a lot of cheese) I felt better right away, but everybody's different. You won't know until you try it.
JL
Posted by raybakes on September 29, 2004, at 18:08:36
In reply to Dr. Bach anyone?, posted by Bubblehead on September 29, 2004, at 15:24:05
> I've been checking into Bach Flower Essences for my irritability problem. Does anyone have experience with them? Do they really work? I would be interested to find out. They claim they can help all kinds of ailments (including depression). Anyone with knowledge of this stuff please let me know your experience with it.
> Thank you.Hi I've had more success with Judy Griffin's petite fleur essences, the dancing light orchid essences and the animal essences - personally find the bach essences too commercial - and yes have found essences to work really well for dealing with emotional problems - maybe look at all the essences available, and see what you're drawn too?
Posted by TeeJay on September 29, 2004, at 19:22:52
In reply to Re: Very IRRITABLE!!! Help! » Bubblehead, posted by JLx on September 29, 2004, at 16:13:52
If you check the web for Solgar products, their "chelated magnesium" is in fact mag glycinate. It doesnt state that it is, it just says its an amino acid chelate but I checked with the company directly.
It was well priced too as I recall.
I never managed to find my upper tolerance level either and I got up to 6 tabs a day. Didnt really help me either but I did smoke at the time and i'm re-running some of my supplements again now I dont smoke so I might give them a bash again as the sound sensitivity is very pertinent to me.
TJ
Posted by JLx on September 30, 2004, at 7:25:54
In reply to Re: Very IRRITABLE!!! Help!, posted by TeeJay on September 29, 2004, at 19:22:52
> I never managed to find my upper tolerance level either and I got up to 6 tabs a day. Didnt really help me either but I did smoke at the time and i'm re-running some of my supplements again now I dont smoke so I might give them a bash again as the sound sensitivity is very pertinent to me.
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> TJI recently went through a time when all my supplements seemed to work differently than they had been and there are some things like TMG, which was formerly effective, that I can't take at all now. In my case it was stress and a change to my diet. You may be on the right track in thinking that smoking cessation will mean changes like this.
Were you taking any calcium with that? Maybe you were actually getting too much magnesium.
George Eby on this site is recommending magnesium taurate over mg glycinate these days. I didn't understand the chemistry involved, but the upshot was that mg glycinate may be contraindicated for some people.
I vary the kinds I take now.
JL
Posted by Jasmineneroli on October 2, 2004, at 18:07:27
In reply to Re: Very IRRITABLE!!! Help! » TeeJay, posted by JLx on September 30, 2004, at 7:25:54
Hey Bubblehead:
The sound sensitivity and irritability sounds exactly my GAD anxiety. On my worst days I can't even stand the sound of certain voices. Especially female singers above the alto range. Sarah McClachlan (spelling?) for instance makes me want to commit murder!!!!!!!
This may well be the anxiety part of the Effexor withdrawal.
BUT, I've been investigating calcium excess (and as a result, magnesium deficiency) as causes for my condition (& headaches)......and it definitely is worth trying more mag and less calcium. I'm just starting to increase my magnesium as of today (see my thread re-calcium)!
Now I read Jlx's notes on sound sensitivity being
a symptom of magnesium deficiency, I'm even more convinced that magnesium deficiency may be causing or contributing to my problems!
I'd like to have someone to compare notes with, so if you are going to try the magnesium route, & dropping or lowering calcium, let me know :).
I'm starting today with 325mg Mag. citrate - up from 250mg per day - and NO calcium, except from food (I'm a big cheese eater!).
Best Regards,
Jas
Posted by Bubblehead on October 2, 2004, at 22:39:41
In reply to Re: Very IRRITABLE!!! Help!, posted by Jasmineneroli on October 2, 2004, at 18:07:27
Hey Jas, I would love to compare notes, if I ever get to the store. I want to change the type of mag I'm currently taking to one of the ones JLx suggested. I will let you know when I get started.
I was just checking into something else on this. My sister-in-law took all kinds of courses in colllege about the brains functions. She suggested I look up Sensory Integrative Dysfunction. I have to say, I'm seeing a lot of similarities. Have you ever heard of this? Anyone else? Anyone who may have some info on this please jump in, we would appreciate it.
I don't know if you are married or not but these problems are affecting my marriage in a bad way. I feel like I need to live in a cave just to keep from being over sensitized. I've got to find a solution soon!
Keep me posted!
Posted by raybakes on October 3, 2004, at 14:38:46
In reply to Re: Very IRRITABLE!!! Help!, posted by Jasmineneroli on October 2, 2004, at 18:07:27
> Hey Bubblehead:
> The sound sensitivity and irritability sounds exactly my GAD anxiety. On my worst days I can't even stand the sound of certain voices. Especially female singers above the alto range. Sarah McClachlan (spelling?) for instance makes me want to commit murder!!!!!!!
> This may well be the anxiety part of the Effexor withdrawal.
> BUT, I've been investigating calcium excess (and as a result, magnesium deficiency) as causes for my condition (& headaches)......and it definitely is worth trying more mag and less calcium. I'm just starting to increase my magnesium as of today (see my thread re-calcium)!
> Now I read Jlx's notes on sound sensitivity being
> a symptom of magnesium deficiency, I'm even more convinced that magnesium deficiency may be causing or contributing to my problems!
> I'd like to have someone to compare notes with, so if you are going to try the magnesium route, & dropping or lowering calcium, let me know :).
> I'm starting today with 325mg Mag. citrate - up from 250mg per day - and NO calcium, except from food (I'm a big cheese eater!).
Hope I don't complicate things too much, or go off at a tangent, but have you looked into glutamate metabolism and it's reuptake into the glial cells? Glutamate allows calcium into cells via the NMDA receptor, as do breakdown products of tryptophan (increased during inflammation or infection). Alcohol, increases calcium entry, and mercury too.
Ray
Posted by JLx on October 4, 2004, at 11:14:08
In reply to Re: Very IRRITABLE!!! Help! » Jasmineneroli, posted by raybakes on October 3, 2004, at 14:38:46
> Hope I don't complicate things too much, or go off at a tangent, but have you looked into glutamate metabolism and it's reuptake into the glial cells? Glutamate allows calcium into cells via the NMDA receptor, as do breakdown products of tryptophan (increased during inflammation or infection). Alcohol, increases calcium entry, and mercury too.
>
> RayHmm...hadn't heard that about alcohol or mercury specifically. Perhaps that's one reason why alcohol is so often involved in depression, and suicide.
That's a good point about excitotoxins in general. Have you read Blaylock's "Excitotoxins"? I tried, but most of it went over my head. As does this article, which relies on Blaylock a lot as a source, but I still found it interesting as I seem to be quite sensitive to excitotoxins:
http://www.antiaging-systems.net/article-excitotoxins.htm
For irritability, it may not be enough to cut down/out calcium and increase magnesium, but also to eliminate such things as aspartame, MSG and wheat gluten.
When some people feel so good after taking taurine, perhaps it is because it is counteracting some of these excitoxins?
I find I feel better the better I eat and the more things I avoid like aspartame or even food dyes, but it's hard to do.
JL
Posted by tealady on October 4, 2004, at 18:54:23
In reply to Re: Very IRRITABLE!!! Help!, posted by TeeJay on September 29, 2004, at 19:22:52
> If you check the web for Solgar products, their "chelated magnesium" is in fact mag glycinate. It doesnt state that it is, it just says its an amino acid chelate but I checked with the company directly.
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> It was well priced too as I recall.
>
> I never managed to find my upper tolerance level either and I got up to 6 tabs a day. Didnt really help me either but I did smoke at the time and i'm re-running some of my supplements again now I dont smoke so I might give them a bash again as the sound sensitivity is very pertinent to me.
>
> TJThat glycine in the mag. chelate you use seems to fit in well with the n acetyl cycteine too
Glycine along with cysteine have the ability to stimulate glutathione synthesis in the body.
Glutathione is an important constituent in antioxidant and detoxification systems in all living things.
Glycine’s ability to stimulate glutathione production make it important in supporting healthy hepatic and kidney functionCan ya tell I'm intersted in this glutathione?<g> I've read you just can't take straight glutathione though..like you have to take the selenium, n acetyl cyteine and mag glycine too would help too...still looking at
Jan
Posted by raybakes on October 5, 2004, at 4:57:14
In reply to Re: Very IRRITABLE!!! Help! » raybakes, posted by JLx on October 4, 2004, at 11:14:08
>
> Hmm...hadn't heard that about alcohol or mercury specifically. Perhaps that's one reason why alcohol is so often involved in depression, and suicide.one article said that after drinking alcohol, the brain compensates for the calming efect of alcohol by making more glutamate receptors, and maybe the irritability of a hangover is excessive calcium entering neurons?
>
> Have you read Blaylock's "Excitotoxins"?No but might have to read it! James Souths article was really good...thanks!
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> When some people feel so good after taking taurine, perhaps it is because it is counteracting some of these excitoxins?I think it is counteracting excitotoxins - I know it opposes the excitotoxicity of homocysteine, but it also works to support calcium ATPase, the pump that pumps calcium out the cell. ATPase is magnesium dependent, the NMDA glutamate receptor is stabilsed by magnesium, and glutamate is converted to GABA (inhibitory) in a magnesium dependent process.....so magnesium is very important!
>
> I find I feel better the better I eat and the more things I avoid like aspartame or even food dyes, but it's hard to do.
>It is hard, but the better I feel, the easier it becomes - when I feel bad, I sometimes think 'i can't feel any worse, so what the hell!'
Ray
Posted by raybakes on October 5, 2004, at 4:57:51
In reply to Re: Very IRRITABLE!!! Help! » raybakes, posted by JLx on October 4, 2004, at 11:14:08
>
> Hmm...hadn't heard that about alcohol or mercury specifically. Perhaps that's one reason why alcohol is so often involved in depression, and suicide.one article said that after drinking alcohol, the brain compensates for the calming efect of alcohol by making more glutamate receptors, and maybe the irritability of a hangover is excessive calcium entering neurons?
>
> Have you read Blaylock's "Excitotoxins"?No but might have to read it! James Souths article was really good...thanks!
>
> When some people feel so good after taking taurine, perhaps it is because it is counteracting some of these excitoxins?I think it is counteracting excitotoxins - I know it opposes the excitotoxicity of homocysteine, but it also works to support calcium ATPase, the pump that pumps calcium out the cell. ATPase is magnesium dependent, the NMDA glutamate receptor is stabilsed by magnesium, and glutamate is converted to GABA (inhibitory) in a magnesium dependent process.....so magnesium is very important!
>
> I find I feel better the better I eat and the more things I avoid like aspartame or even food dyes, but it's hard to do.
>It is hard, but the better I feel, the easier it becomes - when I feel bad, I sometimes think 'i can't feel any worse, so what the hell!'
Ray
Posted by raybakes on October 5, 2004, at 5:37:40
In reply to Re: Very IRRITABLE!!! Help! » TeeJay, posted by tealady on October 4, 2004, at 18:54:23
> Can ya tell I'm intersted in this glutathione?<g> I've read you just can't take straight glutathione though..like you have to take the selenium, n acetyl cyteine and mag glycine too would help too...still looking at
Just a little more to throw in about glutathione - when it mops up a free radical it has to be regenerated back to 'reduced glutathione' by an enzyme called 'glutathione reductase' - this enzyme is B2, B1, B3 and selenium dependent - it's also energy dependent too, so the more energy a cell has, the easier it is to make glutathione. Have heard that hypothyroid people don't activate riboflavin to riboflavin 5 phoshate that well, so taking the active form might be of benefit.Ray
Posted by Bubblehead on October 5, 2004, at 9:35:02
In reply to Re: Very IRRITABLE!!! Help! » tealady, posted by raybakes on October 5, 2004, at 5:37:40
Are you all this smart here (alt. board). You all are speaking a different language to me (lol). Maybe I'm in the wrong place here. Now, I'm not so sure I should go the alternate route, considering I do not have the intelligence to back it up. I'm just a hillbilly. Yikes! Does anyone know of anything to make me smarter (lol)?
Posted by JLx on October 5, 2004, at 10:34:43
In reply to Re: Very IRRITABLE!!! Help!, posted by Bubblehead on October 5, 2004, at 9:35:02
> Are you all this smart here (alt. board). You all are speaking a different language to me (lol). Maybe I'm in the wrong place here. Now, I'm not so sure I should go the alternate route, considering I do not have the intelligence to back it up. I'm just a hillbilly. Yikes! Does anyone know of anything to make me smarter (lol)?
You're smart enough. :)
Most of us here, I don't think, have a scientific background. I know I sure don't and understand very little of lots of stuff that's posted here, yet I pick up bits and pieces of what might help me. And yes, there is some new language to learn, but the more you hang around the more it falls into place.
"It's not a job, it's an adventure!" <g>
How are you doing? Have you tried anything we've suggested for the irritability yet?
JL
Posted by Bubblehead on October 5, 2004, at 11:30:13
In reply to Re: Very IRRITABLE!!! Help! » Bubblehead, posted by JLx on October 5, 2004, at 10:34:43
Umm...Guilty as charged! No I haven't tried anything yet and I am still as irritable as ever. I live in a tiny town and getting to a place to buy these things takes time and effort. I need to get my lazy bum moving. I am such a procrastinator. I'm sorry for not jumping right on it after you all took time to respond. I do still want to try some other options that was suggested. I just need to stop making excuses. Thanks for asking.
Kelly
Posted by JLx on October 5, 2004, at 17:34:13
In reply to Re: Very IRRITABLE!!! Help! » JLx, posted by Bubblehead on October 5, 2004, at 11:30:13
> Umm...Guilty as charged!
That wasn't my intent. ;) I was just curious as to how you were doing now.
One easy way to get magnesium, btw, is to take a bath with Epsom salts. Most fancy "bath salts" are just Epsom salts with added perfumes. They are relaxing because they're magnesium. You can usually find Epsom salts in any pharmacy.
You can also take magnesium sulfate (Epsom salts) internally, much diluted. I did that for many weeks to save money. If you're interested in that, I'll find the directions.
JL
Posted by Bubblehead on October 6, 2004, at 9:36:27
In reply to Re: Very IRRITABLE!!! Help! » Bubblehead, posted by JLx on October 5, 2004, at 17:34:13
> > Umm...Guilty as charged!
>
> That wasn't my intent. ;) I was just curious as to how you were doing now.I know that. I was guilting myself.
>
> One easy way to get magnesium, btw, is to take a bath with Epsom salts. Most fancy "bath salts" are just Epsom salts with added perfumes. They are relaxing because they're magnesium. You can usually find Epsom salts in any pharmacy.
>Yey! I just gave myself a dose of Mag last night and didn't even know it.
> You can also take magnesium sulfate (Epsom salts) internally, much diluted. I did that for many weeks to save money. If you're interested in that, I'll find the directions.
>You are one brave person. I've used the Epsom salts internally in desperate times when nothing else would work for constipation. It is horrid tasting. You can't even cover up the taste of it with juice or something. The directions are right on the box for this. That, in its self, proves how important the mag is to you. I guess I never realized that Epsom salts is Magnesium. I mean, I knew the two (mag supplements and Epsom salts) worked in the same fashion by pulling water into your intestines but I never put two and two together.
I will probably get out and about this weekend and grab some mag then. I'll keep you posted.
Kelly
Oh, by the way, thanks for being such a caring person!
Posted by tealady on October 7, 2004, at 5:05:34
In reply to Re: Very IRRITABLE!!! Help! » JLx, posted by Bubblehead on October 6, 2004, at 9:36:27
> > One easy way to get magnesium, btw, is to take a bath with Epsom salts. Most fancy "bath salts" are just Epsom salts with added perfumes. They are relaxing because they're magnesium. You can usually find Epsom salts in any pharmacy.
> >
Over here the "fancy" bath salts are usually sodium based(zilch magnesium)...they're cheaper I guess?
Also over here you can buy Epsom salts in any supermarket(somtimes in with the cleaning products or laundry products?it varies)..about $2US for one kilo box..that'll last an age if you try it internally!!
Jan
Posted by Jasmineneroli on October 7, 2004, at 18:44:45
In reply to Re: Very IRRITABLE!!! Help! » Jasmineneroli, posted by Bubblehead on October 2, 2004, at 22:39:41
Hey Bubblehead:
Just to update my progress with the magnesium supplementation. I went up to 325mg per day (from 250mg) of Mag. Citrate and stayed off supplemental calcium, for 5 days. Not much headache and no draggy feeling, no irritation either.
The headache I had just came by the end of the day and very light and dull.
I then increased the mag to 500mg for past 2 days...and Hey Presto!! (what a geeky saying) no headache at all. Seem to be feeling a little sleepy though. I hope this is unrelated or just an adjustment reaction.
I encourage you to give it a try , if you haven't already :).
And, to answer your question...yes I'm married. It's been tough at times, but my husband has been great. He wasn't until he witnessed me having a total breakdown anxiety attack, raging at myself in the mirror, pacing around the house babbling, collapsing on the floor crying. And then another day, just suddenly leaving work because something wasn't going right and I got it into my head that I needed pictures on the wall at work. I left work and drove into town, drove to my husband's workplace, marched in and said "where are the calendars?" (I wanted to frame some of the pictures). He was so shocked and upset at me behaving in such a bizarre way that he realized "something was truly wrong" and he came to my next psych appt. Who explained what was going on with me and my severe GAD. Since then he's been SOOOOOO wonderful. Very tolerant of the irritation and anxiety and all the med experiments.
I wish you the same luck in your marriage.
Take care,
Jas
Posted by Bubblehead on October 8, 2004, at 9:31:10
In reply to Re: Very IRRITABLE!!! Help! Comparing notes, posted by Jasmineneroli on October 7, 2004, at 18:44:45
> Hey Bubblehead:
> Just to update my progress with the magnesium supplementation. I went up to 325mg per day (from 250mg) of Mag. Citrate and stayed off supplemental calcium, for 5 days. Not much headache and no draggy feeling, no irritation either.
> The headache I had just came by the end of the day and very light and dull.
> I then increased the mag to 500mg for past 2 days...and Hey Presto!! (what a geeky saying) no headache at all. Seem to be feeling a little sleepy though. I hope this is unrelated or just an adjustment reaction.I bet JLx would know if that is what is making you sleepy.
> I encourage you to give it a try , if you haven't already :).
Jas, I am so happy for you. I am very anxious to give the other types of mag. a try (waiting for pay day). Thank you for givng me the inspiration to give it a try.
> And, to answer your question...yes I'm married. It's been tough at times, but my husband has been great. He wasn't until he witnessed me having a total breakdown anxiety attack, raging at myself in the mirror, pacing around the house babbling, collapsing on the floor crying. And then another day, just suddenly leaving work because something wasn't going right and I got it into my head that I needed pictures on the wall at work. I left work and drove into town, drove to my husband's workplace, marched in and said "where are the calendars?" (I wanted to frame some of the pictures). He was so shocked and upset at me behaving in such a bizarre way that he realized "something was truly wrong" and he came to my next psych appt. Who explained what was going on with me and my severe GAD. Since then he's been SOOOOOO wonderful. Very tolerant of the irritation and anxiety and all the med experiments.I can completly relate. Sometimes, I think my hubby feels I've gone over the deep end. He really has a tough time understanding all of it. I don't blame him. It is hard to understand when you aren't the one experiencing it. I also can relate to the irrational behavior. My poor husband can't seem to say anything right. The other day I was freaking out on him over something so small that I shouldn't have even wasted my breath. Then, of course, I went from being mad to crying over the whole issue. These moments are so embarassing. I don't even have control of myself when this goes on. Do you feel the same way? After I get whatever it is out of my system and then calm down, I see plain as day how awful and irrational I was. I really do hope that the mag does help.
> I wish you the same luck in your marriage.Thank you!
Keep me posted.
Kel
Oh, I almost forget. You said that you have a lot of headaches. Are they migraines? I ask because I too have terrible headaches. Sometimes mine go in spells of lasting for days. My last spell of them lasted for 24 days. I ended up in the ER twice and had multiple nerve blocks from my Doc for that one. Now, I am really anxious to see how the mag. works. We will have to keep each other posted on this one too.
Posted by Jasmineneroli on October 8, 2004, at 11:59:30
In reply to Re: Very IRRITABLE!!! Help! Comparing notes » Jasmineneroli, posted by Bubblehead on October 8, 2004, at 9:31:10
Hi Kel:
> I bet JLx would know if that is what is making you sleepy.* I'll start a thread and ask, because I'm feeling the same today.
> Jas, I am so happy for you. I am very anxious to give the other types of mag. a try (waiting for pay day). Thank you for givng me the inspiration to give it a try.
* Thanks for your good wishes - not out of the woods yet (why do I keep coming up with silly sayings, all of a sudden?) - but the reduction in headaches is really encouraging to me.
> I can completly relate. Sometimes, I think my hubby feels I've gone over the deep end. He really has a tough time understanding all of it. I don't blame him. It is hard to understand when you aren't the one experiencing it. I also can relate to the irrational behavior. My poor husband can't seem to say anything right. The other day I was freaking out on him over something so small that I shouldn't have even wasted my breath. Then, of course, I went from being mad to crying over the whole issue. These moments are so embarassing. I don't even have control of myself when this goes on. Do you feel the same way? After I get whatever it is out of my system and then calm down, I see plain as day how awful and irrational I was. I really do hope that the mag does help.
* O yep, I know that scenario only too well! It seems that my anxiety and stress builds up, but I can handle a great deal when the "public me" is in charge ( well, most of the time). But at home, with my husband, the smallest thing, like once I couldn't chop cilantro for dinner properly and fell into heap crying on the kitchen floor. Or I wanted to move some furniture around all of a sudden and he didn't, so I just freaked out at him! The funny thing is that at the time, I don't feel my reaction is strange. Like you say, I just go out of control. With that driving to town over pictures incident I mentioned before, I didn't even feel that was odd, the next day at the Pdoc's office!! It was only after I'd had a medication change and some enforced "rest" that I recognized my behaviour as weird!
And, no, people, including husband's, don't understand, unless they've experienced it. They can be worried, sympathetic and concerned, but don't truly "get it".
> Keep me posted.
> Kel
* Will do!> Oh, I almost forget. You said that you have a lot of headaches. Are they migraines? I ask because I too have terrible headaches. Sometimes mine go in spells of lasting for days. My last spell of them lasted for 24 days. I ended up in the ER twice and had multiple nerve blocks from my Doc for that one. Now, I am really anxious to see how the mag. works. We will have to keep each other posted on this one too.
* Um, my headaches are hard to classify, that's why I was really not sure if calcium excess (or magnesium deficiency) was playing a role. To complicate the issue, I always get headaches as a side effect of serotonergic drugs, especially at first. They usually recede after an adjustment period, except for Buspar and Moclobemide. But then Celexa, which I'm currently on for the second time, makes me clench my jaw..creating a stiff neck/tension. I thought this might cause headaches!!! I reduced the dosage to a point where the jaw-clenching/stiff neck had gone, recently, but the headache stayed. This is why I tried the Mag. experiment. HOWEVER, before all these medication trials, I had what I call 3 day headaches. They would come every couple of months (didn't seem hormone-related) and ALWAYS lasted 3 days. No analgesic every made much impact on them. I didn't have "aura's" with them or other classic migraine symptoms, but was light-sensitive and sometimes nauseated. They were (are) very painful throbbing headaches, right behind and between my eyes. Aagh! Never sought medical attention for them - just lived with it. Probably were a kinda migraine. And I did get, since starting the supplement with the added calcium a few months ago, a pretty much continual headache, always sort of hanging around, peripherally. This is what started my wondering about calcium, because I had ruled everything else out, that was the only thing that was new and that I was still taking. That's why I came over to the alternate board from the med. board looking for answers!
Sorry this was so long, Kel. But it feels good to share with someone who seems to have similar circumstances.
Take care,
Jas
Posted by Bubblehead on October 29, 2004, at 10:23:10
In reply to Re: Very IRRITABLE!!! Help! Comparing notes » Bubblehead, posted by Jasmineneroli on October 8, 2004, at 11:59:30
Hey Jas,
How have you been feeling on the magnesium? Are you still taking it?I just wanted to put in an update on how it is helping me (late is better than never...I think?)
I bought Solgar's Chelated Magnesium. Unfortunately, I didn'y realize it had calcium in it until I already started taking it. It doesn't have much calcium in it though and I don't take any other sort of Calcium. So I think it shouldn't have much affect. I haven't been on this new mag for long and I've noticed a difference already. It was somewhat of a small change at first but then I realized, "Hey, I'm not ripping my husband's head off anymore." JLx was right. Changing away from the magnesium oxide made a big difference. And to tell you the truth, I don't know if it is the new magnesium or the Fish oil, but my low days aren't so low anymore.
>* O yep, I know that scenario only too well! It seems that my anxiety and stress builds up, but I can handle a great deal when the "public me" is in charge ( well, most of the time). But at home, with my husband, the smallest thing, like once I couldn't chop cilantro for dinner properly and fell into heap crying on the kitchen floor. Or I wanted to move some furniture around all of a sudden and he didn't, so I just freaked out at him!
Like you, I've noticed my irritabilty is mainly with family. The "public me" like you said can handle situations easier. I think I know why I have this problem and unfortunately it is all psycoclogical rather than a medicine problem.
> The funny thing is that at the time, I don't feel my reaction is strange. Like you say, I just go out of control. With that driving to town over pictures incident I mentioned before, I didn't even feel that was odd, the next day at the Pdoc's office!! It was only after I'd had a medication change and some enforced "rest" that I recognized my behaviour as weird!
Lack of rest really affects me also. If I get a lot of sleep, I can be a completly rational person. For me to get enough sleep, though, is imposible. I really would seem calm and cool then, because, I would never be around, I'd be sleeping the whole time.>Sorry this was so long, Kel. But it feels good to share with someone who seems to have similar circumstances.
I agree!
Take care of yourself! I hope things are going better.
Kel
Posted by Jasmineneroli on October 31, 2004, at 23:39:54
In reply to Re: Very IRRITABLE!!! Help! Comparing notes » Jasmineneroli, posted by Bubblehead on October 29, 2004, at 10:23:10
Hey Kel:
Yes, I'm still on the magnesium and off the calcium. Still mainly headache free. (Have had a few mild ones, but I'm pretty sure this is a Celexa side effect). I reduced the magnesium from 500mg down to 250mg as well, so that might be why I had some mild headaches coming back. The higher magnesium was making me too drowsy.
I'm going to try taking 250mg at bedtime and a half capsule (125mg) at supper time instead, to see if the extra 125mg will eliminate the headaches, without causing daytime drowsiness.I'm feeling fairly "even" mood wise too! I just need to get rid of some of my other Celexa side effects now, and things will be very good. I'm hoping to eventually get off all my pharmaceuticals though and have continued my research and am bugging poor Larry Hoover and Raybakes with questions, as a result. :)
Glad the magnesium is helping you.
Keep the updates coming. It's very useful!
Take care
Jas
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