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Posted by RocketMan on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:30
In reply to Re: Options, posted by Phillipa on December 12, 2009, at 13:34:28
> It's one of the ones where we all exchanged pics. Phillipa
I've never posted, or, exchanged pics with any member of this site. So, for you to babble mail me indicating you have pics of me, along with my personal name and past medical conditions, posted on the internet, is totally unacceptable behavior. As I previously mentioned, please refrain from any contact with myself, either by babble mail, or here on the posting site.
I come here to offer support to others and sometimes seek support when in need. Private emails regarding my personal matters does not help my recovery in any fashion.
I trust Dr. Bob will respond to this post with clarification of personal conduct for all babblers.
Regards,
Rocket
Posted by bulldog2 on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:30
In reply to Re: Options, posted by RocketMan on December 12, 2009, at 14:01:12
> > It's one of the ones where we all exchanged pics. Phillipa
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> I've never posted, or, exchanged pics with any member of this site. So, for you to babble mail me indicating you have pics of me, along with my personal name and past medical conditions, posted on the internet, is totally unacceptable behavior. As I previously mentioned, please refrain from any contact with myself, either by babble mail, or here on the posting site.
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> I come here to offer support to others and sometimes seek support when in need. Private emails regarding my personal matters does not help my recovery in any fashion.
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> I trust Dr. Bob will respond to this post with clarification of personal conduct for all babblers.
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> Regards,
> Rocket
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>Rocket I would like to back you up on this issue. There was an incident a while back where I found out from an ex babbler that parts of an email that I had sent Phillipa were cut and sent to this now ex babbler. This ex babbler and I had been communicating at that time. Than she stopped emailing with me. Later she wrote me that she had stopped emailing me because of the personal material (emails from me to Phillpa) that had been sent to her. This material I had sent Phillipa was discrete and was not meant to be sent to the general public.
Phillpa sent me parts of emails on several occassions of babblers communications to her.Also sometimes matters of a personal nature.
No I did not save these personal emails from others. I did not want them or solicit them.
I don't know if this behavior violates any rules on this board but I find it morally offensive.
To become friends with people and open lines of communications with them and than distribute their private email confidences without their consent is a betrayal of their trust.
If there aren't any rules covering codes of behavior to protect people from being potentially embarressed by leaking private confidences there should be. Personally I find this behavior cruel and malicious. This forum has so many people who are suffering why would anyone want to do something that might add to someones already depressed state?
Posted by RocketMan on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:30
In reply to Re: Options » RocketMan, posted by bulldog2 on December 12, 2009, at 14:55:52
Hi bulldog2, sorry you had to go through a similar experience. Thanks for your support and I you keep well,
Rocket
Posted by 2nd xylophone on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:30
In reply to Re: Options, posted by Phillipa on December 12, 2009, at 13:42:53
> There was also no harrassing mail. I feel hurt that you would even consider that I would harrass anyone. Time to go out shopping now. Bye. Phillipa
I hope no one is harrassing or getting harrassed. I hope it is a bad misunderstanding. Bye to you too
Posted by Phillipa on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:31
In reply to Re: Options, posted by RocketMan on December 12, 2009, at 14:01:12
Why not post this so called harrassing babblemail on the internet for all to see? I never claimed to have any prior history of your medical history nor do I or ever have I had any pics of you. Other babblers posted their pics long before you joined this site. It was a fun thing to do kind of like Facebook only there we do not discuss med. Just joke around and have a lot of fun. Just like babble used to be. Phillipa
Posted by RocketMan on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:31
In reply to Re: Options » RocketMan, posted by Phillipa on December 12, 2009, at 17:11:17
> Why not post this so called harrassing babblemail on the internet for all to see?
That is exactly what I'm talking about; posting personal information on the internet is not something I feel comfortable doing - period.
> I never claimed to have any prior history of your medical history nor do I or ever have I had any pics of you.You're babble mail indicated otherwise. Perhaps you have forgotten, given the amount of correspondence you create.
> Other babblers posted their pics long before you joined this site. It was a fun thing to do kind of like Facebook only there we do not discuss med. Just joke around and have a lot of fun. Just like babble used to be. PhillipaThat is fine, if other babblers posted pics, none of my business. End of discussion.
Posted by Phillipa on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:31
In reply to Re: Options » Phillipa, posted by RocketMan on December 12, 2009, at 18:07:36
I always keep copies of babblemails for protection if something happens. Glad I kept this one. Phillipa
Posted by okydoky on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:31
In reply to Re: Options » RocketMan, posted by Phillipa on December 12, 2009, at 20:20:51
Phillipa, what are you protecting yourself against or why do you feel the need to protect yourself? That kind of informs me something is not quite right? I keep Babble mails and emails and actually like having the archives because my memory is so bad but I cannot think of why I would need to keep a babble to "protect" myself.
After reading this I wonder what Phillipa actually saw when she posted she saw my real name on Facebook? Was it because she already new my real name? That would have been a simple explanation and not caused me to get all riled up which is not hard to do lately.
But what I was wanting to post here was another question altogether.
I guess I see this site and what it "needs" to do different than a lot of people.
Perhaps I am wrong. well there is no wrong and right, I don't think, just an opinion of what this site should be responsible for.It is why I see this so much as a "real world" mental health community setting.
In my opinion or experience while one might feel more protected as far as building self esteem and self reliance, self worth .... being able to stand up for oneself and perhaps have a thicker skin when relying on others to defend us, do we need "deputies" or "administrators" to stand up for us?
By posting yourself your contempt about what you believe Phillipa did are you sticking up for yourself. By doing so are you allowing others to make more informed decisions as to their interactions with her or anyone( I don't want to pick on one person here). Are we not able to "police" this site ourselves if only by not addressing posts by those that have proven to us they are not trustworthy or other reasons we might have? I just truly believe that there is much more to be gained by dealing with these issues ourselves, and I mean as a community of equals, than by entrusting what is "good" and/or "right" (I am not good with words sorry) to some "administrator" and/or his "deputies". I think this is a chance to try out our self reliance without the possible repercussions that could come in the "real world".
I understand this is just my opinion and perhaps because of my own life's experiences I harsh one at that.
I am not advocating that I am "right". It is just an opinion. Probably not a good one for me as I get so easily hurt:)
But I am interested in knowing how others think about what the purposes of this site should be and how they should be implemented?
I do think if one does not want to receive Babble form a particular person I should be able to exclude them.
It would all be akin to the "real world". If someone acts in a manner that irritates others they suffer consequences. For example they loose friends. Why not be able to do that on this site? I think it would be another valuable way for this site to be helpful to us and my pet peeve not helpful to those that have "control or power issues.Please do not take this as insulting or anything negative. I just have certain opinions based on some pretty terrible life experience but that does not make them the end all be all correct opinions. That is the whole reason I am putting it out there for discussion or response.
I wish you only well wishes. I don;t know you but we are on this site looking for help. I hope you get what you are looking for on this site or anywhere else. Honestly I would not want anyone, even my enemies to have to survive life the way I find myself doing.Thanks,
oky
ps okay so I need to write a journal and stop bothering people around me with all my problems. Feel free to say so perhaps you have some good ideas to motivate me to change my behavior or motivate others to change their behaviors.
Posted by Meltingpot on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:31
In reply to Re: Options, posted by okydoky on December 13, 2009, at 5:07:04
Hi,
Just to say, I have communicated with Phillipa by babblemail and I have never found her to be harrassing in any way, neither has she ever posted sensitive information to me about other posters.
Don't you all think you are being a tad over sensitive and petty here? To be perfectly honest I wouldn't give a damn about anyone sending information about my mental health history or my medical history to anyone else associated with this board, after all I post it on her for all to see anyway.
All I'm interested in is getting better and supporting other people (when I can).
I can't help but feel there has been some sort of misunderstanding here which has been blown out of all proportion and I don't particularly like the way Phillipa is being branded as some kind of obsessive stalker, when she isn't!
Denise
Posted by tensor on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:32
In reply to In Phillipa's defense, posted by Meltingpot on December 13, 2009, at 12:47:42
Posted by okydoky on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:32
In reply to In Phillipa's defense, posted by Meltingpot on December 13, 2009, at 12:47:42
Wow I know I have been ranting but I hope you did not get that from me. I babbled Phillipa also. I had and have no negative feelings about her telling me she saw my real name on facebook. I was just trying to figure out how it happened. I am not worried about it anyway.
I was concerned she felt the need to protect herself. Protect herself from what or whom?
I see she is about trying to help others. Isn't what this site is supposed to be about!
I did not go back and read through the thread so I am not up on what all you might be talking about but it is nice of you to be supportive.oky
Posted by Meltingpot on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:32
In reply to In Phillipa's defense, posted by Meltingpot on December 13, 2009, at 12:47:42
Sorry all, as an afterthought, I don't mean to trivialise what has happened to you but I just really wanted to say that I've never had a problem with Phillipa and I think really she should be given the opportunity to speak in her own defense.
After re-reading the threads, I agree if you communicate privately with somebody via email then you don't expect your emails to be copied and sent on to somebody else behind your back but perhaps there is an innocent explanation for why this was done and perhaps it was not done in a malicious way.
Anyway, I'll shut up now. This really had nothing to do with me, I just felt a bit sorry for Phillipa as I've always found her to be inoffensive and sweet in her own way.
Denise
Posted by bulldog2 on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:32
In reply to Apologies, posted by Meltingpot on December 13, 2009, at 13:07:20
> Sorry all, as an afterthought, I don't mean to trivialise what has happened to you but I just really wanted to say that I've never had a problem with Phillipa and I think really she should be given the opportunity to speak in her own defense.
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> After re-reading the threads, I agree if you communicate privately with somebody via email then you don't expect your emails to be copied and sent on to somebody else behind your back but perhaps there is an innocent explanation for why this was done and perhaps it was not done in a malicious way.
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> Anyway, I'll shut up now. This really had nothing to do with me, I just felt a bit sorry for Phillipa as I've always found her to be inoffensive and sweet in her own way.
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> DeniseDenise the issue is one of private emails or babblemails sent to her. Info sent to her as a friend with the assumption that info would be kept confidential. Than to find out that info is being sent to others for her amusement. I find that a betrayal of trust. If I post something on the public forum that is one thing. But confidences between friends is an entirely different issue.
To the people above defending her there is a weakness in your arguments. The fact that she has treated you well or not done this to you is not relevant to those she has betrayed.
Posted by okydoky on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:33
In reply to Re: Apologies » Meltingpot, posted by bulldog2 on December 13, 2009, at 13:24:38
I would be angry if I knew someone did this to me also. I was not trying to diminish your outrage.
I'll just say to Phillipa if this is going on to stop it!
I am not implying anyone is lying it is just difficult to know exactly what is really going on and why and what the intent was.
But considering it is coming form several sources I am taking it seriously.
So I'll say it again whether it was done on purpose or not just stop it.
oky
Posted by Meltingpot on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:35
In reply to Re: Apologies » Meltingpot, posted by bulldog2 on December 13, 2009, at 13:24:38
Bulldog,
You do have a point, however, I was trying to provide a balanced view. Really this whole thing has nothing to do with me or anyone else on this board, apart from yourself and Phillipa and Rocketman but the fact that you chose to publish what happened on Psychobabble makes us all privy to it and therefore I felt compelled to add my 2 cents.
Ideally, if either yourself or Rocketman had a problem with Phillipa's behaviour then you both should have tackled her privately about it rather than posting it on psychobabble for all and sundry to see.
Denise
Posted by okydoky on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:35
In reply to Re: Apologies - To Bulldog, posted by Meltingpot on December 13, 2009, at 14:05:47
It had to do with me too. I wonder how many people have had some involvement but not bothered to post it.
I think this is the way we police ourselves. If we were operatingthis site maybe we could just be able to disable anyone we chose from babbling us instead of imploring Bob's authority.
(I know I keep beating what might be a dead horse but I really have deep seated emotional opinions about it.)
Feel free to tell me enough is enough. It might need to be said and I really do not know that.
oky
Posted by bulldog2 on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:35
In reply to Re: Apologies - To Bulldog, posted by Meltingpot on December 13, 2009, at 14:05:47
> Bulldog,
>
> You do have a point, however, I was trying to provide a balanced view. Really this whole thing has nothing to do with me or anyone else on this board, apart from yourself and Phillipa and Rocketman but the fact that you chose to publish what happened on Psychobabble makes us all privy to it and therefore I felt compelled to add my 2 cents.
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> Ideally, if either yourself or Rocketman had a problem with Phillipa's behaviour then you both should have tackled her privately about it rather than posting it on psychobabble for all and sundry to see.
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> DeniseI have tackled this privately with her and so have others. After reading Rocketman's post I felt compelled to write so others would know this was not an isolated incident.I feel others should know about this so they can protect themselves. People have to be aware that personal things that you divulge to her may be sent to others. I think we all have to be more careful about things we make public to those we hardly know.
Denise this is just not Rocketman and me. I have heard from others that this may be far broader than just us two.
Posted by RocketMan on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:35
In reply to Apologies, posted by Meltingpot on December 13, 2009, at 13:07:20
Since I was the original poster to this thread, let me say that I, in no way, meant to demean anyone. I received an email from Phillipa that I found to be quite disturbing. It literally caused undue stress to myself which lasted throughout the day.
When I posted my concerns on the Board, I was extremely upset, and frankly, filled with anxiety wondering what would come of my personal information.
If someone has the urge to neurotically post and babble mail to the point of obsession, then I should view it as part of their illness.
I hope we can all learn from this and move forward in a positive manner.Regards,
Rocket
Posted by okydoky on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:37
In reply to Re: Apologies, posted by RocketMan on December 13, 2009, at 15:32:16
It was important for me to know it was not an isolated incident. My issue was a different but dealt with personal information.
I am not being mean or not compassionate but no matter if the person has good intentions or not we need to look out for one another.
But I think you stated things much better than I ever could I just wanted my intentions to be clear.oky
Posted by willyeee on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:38
In reply to In Phillipa's defense, posted by Meltingpot on December 13, 2009, at 12:47:42
> Hi,
>
> Just to say, I have communicated with Phillipa by babblemail and I have never found her to be harrassing in any way, neither has she ever posted sensitive information to me about other posters.
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> Don't you all think you are being a tad over sensitive and petty here? To be perfectly honest I wouldn't give a damn about anyone sending information about my mental health history or my medical history to anyone else associated with this board, after all I post it on her for all to see anyway.
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> All I'm interested in is getting better and supporting other people (when I can).
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> I can't help but feel there has been some sort of misunderstanding here which has been blown out of all proportion and I don't particularly like the way Phillipa is being branded as some kind of obsessive stalker, when she isn't!
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>
> Denise
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>Well not to be a trouble maker,but instead simply speak my situation,phillipa has EMAILED me initially and so on,i have answered being a nice person,and she then eith released the conversations of those emails in posts,or used them AGANIST ME in debated posts.
One thing i noticed was whenever i mentioned this,i in seconds had a flur of fellow posters innediatly commming to phillipas aid and attacking me for saying anything about her.
To put it short,phillipa has emialed me on my personal email,emailed me about other posters to which i did not like,and has realesed personal info between our emials out in the open to make me look bad.
Im glad im not crazy and her actions have finaly been brought to light by others on this group.
Posted by Phillipa on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:38
In reply to Re: Apologies, posted by okydoky on December 13, 2009, at 15:41:57
Wow just got home. Seems a shame this was blown out of proportion. I plead innocent and do have the in question at start of thread babblemail. I sent it to Bob so he can be the decider. No never said a malicious thing about anyone here why I was a mental health worker and Will don't you know the doc I worked with? He would vouche for me in a heartbeat. Well off the fill out the paperwork for the docs appointment tomorrow for the bones and lymes. Bye. For those on facebook I will go there later after doing my ebay posting for the last of the holiday shoppers. Got some great buys today. Lots of Authentic Ed Hardy. Phillipa. Argue on.
Posted by Justherself54 on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:38
In reply to Re: In Phillipa's defense, posted by willyeee on December 13, 2009, at 18:32:26
Nice free for all everyone's having here. This should be on admin..not on the med board.
If someone had a problem with me, I would hope they would have the decency to address it directly with me and not post it on the MED board, of all places, and let everyone who ever harboured a grudge against me jump in and get their shots in.
Just sayin'
Posted by RocketMan on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:38
In reply to Re: In Phillipa's defense, posted by Justherself54 on December 13, 2009, at 19:05:59
> Nice free for all everyone's having here. This should be on admin..not on the med board.
>Well actually, it shouldn't be on "any" board if the actions of said poster were not in question. Bye the way, the email I am referring to was sent not sent by babble mail, it was sent to a personal Yahoo email address that I gave to Phillipa. Needless to say, I have since closed the account.
Rocket
Posted by okydoky on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:39
In reply to Re: Apologies, posted by Phillipa on December 13, 2009, at 18:51:53
It looked to me like everyone was trying to be nice and helpful even while feeling abused or agitated.
Every time I get back on this site (sometimes it can be a year or two)this same type of issue comes up.
I don't care what Bob has to say. He has not been the recipient of what people are complaining about. How could you think he could stand in judgement without certain knowledge of what has occurred? I think it is childish to look to an authority figure like this instead of facing up to ones own behavior with ones piers, ones equals. But I have a sneaking suspicion that there will be some snide answer as I interpret it anyway to this or none at all. Not any different to me. It is the usual slap in the face.
What I found to be such a big put down to me and several others here was:
"Seems a shame this was blown out of proportion. I plead innocent " Blames everyone else and then basically flips us all off: "Well off the fill out the paperwork for the docs appointment tomorrow for the bones and lymes. Bye... Phillipa. Argue on."
I feel totally insulted.oky
ps too bad for me that I have way too much time on my hands to let something like this get to me but I am human too.
Posted by Justherself54 on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:39
In reply to Re: In Phillipa's defense » Justherself54, posted by RocketMan on December 13, 2009, at 19:48:52
Right now it's "he said, she said"..none of us knows exactly what was in the email..so unless you're prepared to post it, so we can all sit as judge and jury, perhaps it's best to let this thread die a quick death.
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