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Posted by Sigismund on March 8, 2009, at 16:09:09
In reply to Re: shoes, conflict, and journeys » Dr. Bob, posted by fayeroe on March 8, 2009, at 9:50:02
By my count Bob has appeared on this thread 14 times, including the 2 blocks.
This might be a recent record.
Posted by rskontos on March 8, 2009, at 17:31:20
In reply to Re: shoes, conflict, and journeys, posted by Dr. Bob on March 8, 2009, at 0:57:19
.... I wouldn't see someone as inflexible just because their view wasn't the same as mine.
Bob ...
Dr Bob,
I don't see you as inflexible because your views are different than I. That is narrowminded and I hope I am anything but that. Why I think of you as being inflexible is that the thread's message seems to have eluded you. That is all. We are trying to get resolution on this board to discuss things that bother us and yet you seem to miss the point. Again.
I am done with this. It seems that we will not conquer this great divide.
rsk
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 9, 2009, at 4:31:53
In reply to Re: shoes, conflict, and journeys » Dr. Bob, posted by rskontos on March 8, 2009, at 17:31:20
> > > I wonder how it would feel to have a safe place where I am not waiting for the other shoe to drop?
> >
> > Has it been hard to find a place like that? Maybe some posters stay because they hope and desire to avoid shoes.
>
> Do I not have the right, as a poster, to wish things were better. I believe that you have a long way to go before you understand what we have been saying to you in the long thread.
>
> fayeroeI understand that you (and other posters) wish it felt safer here. Is that accurate? You certainly have the right to wish that.
> Why I think of you as being inflexible is that the thread's message seems to have eluded you. That is all. We are trying to get resolution on this board to discuss things that bother us and yet you seem to miss the point. Again.
>
> I am done with this. It seems that we will not conquer this great divide.
>
> rskWould you say I'm dense (not getting your point) or inflexible (getting it, but disagreeing with you)? Either way, I understand that it could feel like a great divide. If I'm not getting it, I'd still like to, could you repeat it?
Bob
Posted by Zeba on April 3, 2009, at 22:16:54
In reply to Re: safety and division, posted by Dr. Bob on March 9, 2009, at 4:31:53
My monthly or month and a half look back on this site, and I see nothing has changed. I think this site should be called "blockobabble." I would have to agree that blocks over a few weeks are punitive. Perhaps if I wait 3 months to look again things will have changed. Nope I am kidding myself.
Zeba
Posted by muffled on April 3, 2009, at 22:37:50
In reply to Re: safety and division, posted by Dr. Bob on March 9, 2009, at 4:31:53
> Would you say I'm dense (not getting your point) or inflexible (getting it, but disagreeing with you)? Either way, I understand that it could feel like a great divide. If I'm not getting it, I'd still like to, could you repeat it?
>
> BobWell FWIW, I think you come across as both.....
I think you appear dense, cuz you do not undertsand what we keep saying to you. Not to say you ARE dense, but that you seem to be unable to get the point. We all have our weak spots and perhaps this is yours. Not that you are a bad person....but ya, because of your position as owner of this site, its kinda frustrating trying to deal with you on this stuff.
As for inflexible(getting it, but disagreeing with you)? ......I don't think its neccessarily that(though it may be the case some of the time). I once again wonder if you appear inflexible because you DON'T get it.
So,
both.
Or maybe not.
I don't know you, alls I know is from what little interaction there has been here on babble. I don't know your values or life circumstances or anything about your FOO. So no I don't have a clue.
I'd like to think you do mean well, but perhaps just suffer a slight deficit in understanding some things.
Or maybe...
well.
I dunno, I like to just keep the, 'you mean well' thot.
Take care,
Muffled
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 4, 2009, at 13:09:55
In reply to Re: safety and division » Dr. Bob, posted by Zeba on April 3, 2009, at 22:16:54
> My monthly or month and a half look back on this site, and I see nothing has changed. ... I would have to agree that blocks over a few weeks are punitive. Perhaps if I wait 3 months to look again things will have changed. Nope I am kidding myself.
Well, every block has a punitive component, in that it's "a penalty imposed for a fault, offense, or violation".
I see continuing to check back as a sign that you see change as possible. Could I suggest that you be the change you wish to see? That would take more than coming by every month or month and a half, though.
Bob
Posted by fayeroe on April 4, 2009, at 14:07:23
In reply to Re: change, posted by Dr. Bob on April 4, 2009, at 13:09:55
> > My monthly or month and a half look back on this site, and I see nothing has changed. ... I would have to agree that blocks over a few weeks are punitive. Perhaps if I wait 3 months to look again things will have changed. Nope I am kidding myself.
>
> Well, every block has a punitive component, in that it's "a penalty imposed for a fault, offense, or violation".
>
> I see continuing to check back as a sign that you see change as possible. Could I suggest that you be the change you wish to see? That would take more than coming by every month or month and a half, though.
>
> BobAha! The PBCs and PBSs are like an offender being "written up" in prison....(I see guards provoking offenders to the point that a "write up" is done.)
After being "written up" three times, it is almost a done deal that the offender will go to "Ad Seg"......isolated from the remainder of the population of his/her housing unit.....If a guard has it in for a certain offender, they will move heaven and earth to "slap a paper" on that person..
A block is our "Ad Seg"....Wow! Sometimes the offender gets shipped back to Huntsville after being in ad seg.
Hmmmmmmmmm. Is being shipped out the next move here? Pat
Posted by Zeba on April 5, 2009, at 0:14:20
In reply to Re: change, posted by Dr. Bob on April 4, 2009, at 13:09:55
> > My monthly or month and a half look back on this site, and I see nothing has changed. ... I would have to agree that blocks over a few weeks are punitive. Perhaps if I wait 3 months to look again things will have changed. Nope I am kidding myself.
>
> Well, every block has a punitive component, in that it's "a penalty imposed for a fault, offense, or violation".
>
> I see continuing to check back as a sign that you see change as possible. Could I suggest that you be the change you wish to see? That would take more than coming by every month or month and a half, though.
>
> BobI thought I had posted a response but probably hit the wrong button. I doubt I will post for a long time if ever after this post. I feel as if Babble is a fading memory of the past. My only concern is for others who come here hoping to be understood and be accepted. In my opinion the longer and longer blocks are not only punitive, they are abusive and do not serve any useful purpose. I do not want to be a part of what I consider abusive policies. Sorry, but it is what it is.
Zeba
Posted by Sigismund on April 5, 2009, at 2:00:59
In reply to Re: change » Dr. Bob, posted by Zeba on April 5, 2009, at 0:14:20
>longer blocks are not only punitive, they are abusive and do not serve any useful purpose
They get rid of people for 52 weeks, but over and above that?
Zeugma, zazenducke, verne, alex.......did they really give anyone here or back then that much grief?
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 5, 2009, at 15:24:37
In reply to Re: change » Dr. Bob, posted by Zeba on April 5, 2009, at 0:14:20
> > Could I suggest that you be the change you wish to see?
>
> My only concern is for others who come here hoping to be understood and be accepted.So come by more often and support them?
Bob
Posted by rskontos on April 7, 2009, at 0:56:51
In reply to Re: safety and division » Dr. Bob, posted by Zeba on April 3, 2009, at 22:16:54
>>I think this site should be called "blockobabble.">>>
Now this is funny. My first laugh at "blockobabble" in a loooonnngggg time.
rsk
Posted by rskontos on April 7, 2009, at 0:58:27
In reply to Re: change, posted by Sigismund on April 5, 2009, at 2:00:59
> >longer blocks are not only punitive, they are abusive and do not serve any useful purpose
>
> They get rid of people for 52 weeks, but over and above that?
>
> Zeugma, zazenducke, verne, alex.......did they really give anyone here or back then that much grief?No they did not. 52 weeks is an eternity. And exactly what does it teach? How to be more civil? I doubt that.
rsk
Posted by rskontos on April 7, 2009, at 1:00:36
In reply to Re: change, posted by Dr. Bob on April 5, 2009, at 15:24:37
> > > Could I suggest that you be the change you wish to see?
and exactly how would that work. We haven't any real power to be the change we wish to see. Duh, that is what all the dialogue is about. Geeze
Posted by fayeroe on April 7, 2009, at 11:19:59
In reply to Re: change » Sigismund, posted by rskontos on April 7, 2009, at 0:58:27
> > >longer blocks are not only punitive, they are abusive and do not serve any useful purpose
> >
> > They get rid of people for 52 weeks, but over and above that?
> >
> > Zeugma, zazenducke, verne, alex.......did they really give anyone here or back then that much grief?
>
> No they did not. 52 weeks is an eternity. And exactly what does it teach? How to be more civil? I doubt that.I was blocked for 16 weeks and look what it did for me. :-)
>
> rsk
>
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Posted by rskontos on April 7, 2009, at 23:23:26
In reply to Re: change » rskontos, posted by fayeroe on April 7, 2009, at 11:19:59
Yeah I hear you, but you know in honesty I think you are ok fayeroe!
At least in my book, you had nothing to learn so the block had no merit.
rsk
Posted by fayeroe on April 8, 2009, at 9:30:55
In reply to Re: change » fayeroe, posted by rskontos on April 7, 2009, at 23:23:26
Posted by rskontos on April 8, 2009, at 17:58:08
In reply to Re: change....Thank You! :-) (nm) » rskontos, posted by fayeroe on April 8, 2009, at 9:30:55
Posted by Sigismund on April 10, 2009, at 21:03:32
In reply to Re: change » Sigismund, posted by rskontos on April 7, 2009, at 0:58:27
>And exactly what does it teach?
It teaches us that the sacrifice of the one for the group is OK.
It teaches us that actions have consequences hehe
It teaches us some paradigm derived from somewhere (U of C, US prison system).
It teaches us that some people are expendable.
Lots of stuff.
Posted by rskontos on April 11, 2009, at 9:32:06
In reply to Re: change » rskontos, posted by Sigismund on April 10, 2009, at 21:03:32
Yeah but do we need that teaching Sig, hasn't life already taught us most of that and more than we needed in life's lessons.!?!
rsk
Posted by fayeroe on April 11, 2009, at 10:35:05
In reply to Re: change » Sigismund, posted by rskontos on April 11, 2009, at 9:32:06
> Yeah but do we need that teaching Sig, hasn't life already taught us most of that and more than we needed in life's lessons.!?!
>
> rskIn my experience, most people who seek support for a mental health issue have already learned too much. pat
Posted by rskontos on April 11, 2009, at 12:08:05
In reply to Re: change » rskontos, posted by fayeroe on April 11, 2009, at 10:35:05
Posted by Sigismund on April 11, 2009, at 20:42:41
In reply to Re: change » Sigismund, posted by rskontos on April 11, 2009, at 9:32:06
In the case of Zazenducke we are taught that he/she will
1) be closely watched, and
2) be liable to a years block for bugger all
which is another way of saying
'you are not welcome here'.Some people are disruptive. People come in all shapes and sizes. It shouldn't be such a big deal. After all, many people here think a lot of Z.
Posted by Sigismund on April 11, 2009, at 21:01:29
In reply to Re: change » rskontos, posted by Sigismund on April 11, 2009, at 20:42:41
>you are not welcome here'
Which is confirmed subjectively by the post headed
'I feel as welcome as a radioactive skunk at a childrens party'.
Posted by fayeroe on April 11, 2009, at 21:09:04
In reply to Re: change » rskontos, posted by Sigismund on April 11, 2009, at 20:42:41
> In the case of Zazenducke we are taught that he/she will
> 1) be closely watched, and
> 2) be liable to a years block for bugger all
> which is another way of saying
> 'you are not welcome here'.
>
> Some people are disruptive. People come in all shapes and sizes. It shouldn't be such a big deal. After all, many people here think a lot of Z.I would respectfully ask Bob to round up his records and show us, block by block, how he arrived at Z's year long block...
I am asking for the records from day one.....the very first block.....think Bob will show me?
Posted by Sigismund on April 11, 2009, at 21:14:21
In reply to Re: change » Sigismund, posted by fayeroe on April 11, 2009, at 21:09:04
I must have been thinking of this...
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080204/msgs/812795.html
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