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Posted by Dr. Bob on March 3, 2009, at 4:10:04
In reply to oops sorry, posted by muffled on March 1, 2009, at 23:57:56
> > This discussion has already yielded a couple new ways of doing things.
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> I need to know what the "new things" are.
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> fayeroeI meant:
> It may help if complaints about [deputies] are emailed to me directly and not posted or submitted using the notification system. And if blocks are longer for incivility toward them. So let's make those changes
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> this discussion regarding blocks/math/civility rules has been ongoing for years. So in the best interest of a subject coming up over and over again, how about addressing it.
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> help us address this issue once and for all.
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> Dr. Bob, no you don't trigger me when you are gone, what triggers me is posters I value are suddenly gone in a discuss that you deem inappropriate.I don't think it can be addressed once and for all, I think it needs to keep evolving.
And I didn't mean to imply that I thought my being gone triggered everyone. Different people have different issues. And certainly posters being blocked can be a huge trigger.
> Another new beginning was derailed.
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> rskMaybe derailed, but maybe continuing on another track...
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> My "Bob Pet Peeve List" is topped by pointing out that all the anger at him is really transference. None of it as actually justified by his behavior.
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> BayI didn't mean to imply that it's all transference. Certainly some of it is justified by my behavior.
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> I think that it would be a terrific relief to some of the posters if our "discussion" was a two- way street. I don't believe that it is now.
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> I think that there is fair amount of self-disclosure from the posters when it comes to trying to talk to you about the administration of Babble.
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> It takes two to tango.
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> fayeroeIt isn't a two-way street. I sometimes long to tango with you, and you may sometimes long to tango with me, but my dance with you is different than your dance with each other.
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> I think mayhap the point I was making is that proly lots people are used to punish.
> So in the example the person seriously broke one of her T's rules.
> You'd think for such a serious infraction T woulda dumped her.
> But she didn't.
> She helped soothe the hurt.
> Makes my chest hurt, that she would do this.
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> So I guess we was thinking along the lines of blocks or something but I dunno exactly what the connection is.
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> MMaybe some posters stay because they hope and desire not to be dumped (blocked) for infractions. Hopes and desires like that may be likely to be frustrated. Suspending rules may be tempting, but can have its own complications.
Bob
Posted by rskontos on March 4, 2009, at 14:32:01
In reply to Re: hopes and desires, posted by Dr. Bob on March 3, 2009, at 4:10:04
..I don't think it can be addressed once and for all, I think it needs to keep evolving...
Dr. Bob,
Perhaps you think so, but to me it is obvious that this is a painful thing to posters and evolution in this sense (ongoing discussion) seems to be even more painful. No resolution, no peace. JMHO
rsk
Posted by fayeroe on March 4, 2009, at 14:45:03
In reply to Re: hopes and desires » Dr. Bob, posted by rskontos on March 4, 2009, at 14:32:01
> ..I don't think it can be addressed once and for all, I think it needs to keep evolving...
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> Dr. Bob,
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> Perhaps you think so, but to me it is obvious that this is a painful thing to posters and evolution in this sense (ongoing discussion) seems to be even more painful. No resolution, no peace. JMHO
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> rskExcellent point. Cutting off the discussion before issues are taken care of has happened before.
I hate that. Babble won't grow and evolve without the process of healing that comes when the circle is completed. Sad.
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 5, 2009, at 0:01:34
In reply to Re: hopes and desires » Dr. Bob, posted by rskontos on March 4, 2009, at 14:32:01
> to me it is obvious that this is a painful thing to posters and evolution in this sense (ongoing discussion) seems to be even more painful. No resolution, no peace.
Ongoing evolution and growth does mean there may not be permanent resolution and peace. Still, that's the option I'd prefer.
Bob
Posted by Sigismund on March 5, 2009, at 1:24:42
In reply to Re: resolution and peace, posted by Dr. Bob on March 5, 2009, at 0:01:34
>Ongoing evolution and growth
with (or without) whom?
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 5, 2009, at 8:24:29
In reply to Re: resolution and peace » Dr. Bob, posted by Sigismund on March 5, 2009, at 1:24:42
> > Ongoing evolution and growth
>
> with (or without) whom?With those who want to see where this journey takes us?
Bob
Posted by muffled on March 5, 2009, at 13:26:36
In reply to Re: resolution and peace, posted by Dr. Bob on March 5, 2009, at 8:24:29
> > > Ongoing evolution and growth
> >
> > with (or without) whom?
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> With those who want to see where this journey takes us?
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> Bob*Fair enuf.
I just wish there was some way we could make this clear somehow....so people could be safer. But I guess there is no safe place in this life.
For me, I have so much confusion in my head at times, that I need a place where there is not such evolution and growth. Which is perhaps less stimulating, but at this time is all I can handle.
I appeciate that Bob has expressed some emotion and more clearly some of his thots.
Thanks.
Take care.
M
Posted by fayeroe on March 5, 2009, at 14:08:13
In reply to Re: resolution and peace, posted by Dr. Bob on March 5, 2009, at 8:24:29
> > > Ongoing evolution and growth
> >
> > with (or without) whom?
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> With those who want to see where this journey takes us?
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> BobI wonder how it would feel to have a safe place where I am not waiting for the other shoe to drop?
Posted by Toph on March 6, 2009, at 10:38:02
In reply to Re: resolution and peace, posted by Dr. Bob on March 5, 2009, at 0:01:34
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> Ongoing evolution and growth does mean there may not be permanent resolution and peace. Still, that's the option I'd prefer.
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> BobSystems theorists suggest that evolution is less of a goal or choice than a natural by-product of conflict and instability.
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Systems_Theory/Evolution_&_Growth
Posted by Sigismund on March 6, 2009, at 13:17:58
In reply to Re: resolution and peace, posted by Toph on March 6, 2009, at 10:38:02
Posted by rskontos on March 6, 2009, at 15:47:01
In reply to Re: resolution and peace, posted by Dr. Bob on March 5, 2009, at 8:24:29
>>With those who want to see where this journey takes us?
Bob >>
You have included yourself in the us, however, your journey is remarkably different than others. Yours is not from the same can of worms as ours by any stretch of the imagination. I think the potential for us to be hurt is much more greater than yours!
But i guess like muffled said it nice you shared some of your thoughts.
I am amazed at times about the apparent lack of flexibility. (in how you view the things we perceive as threatening you view as a journey.)
oh well I guess we made a nice try however futile.
rsk
Posted by rskontos on March 6, 2009, at 15:48:08
In reply to Re: hopes and desires » rskontos, posted by fayeroe on March 4, 2009, at 14:45:03
> > ..I don't think it can be addressed once and for all, I think it needs to keep evolving...
> >
> > Dr. Bob,
> >
> > Perhaps you think so, but to me it is obvious that this is a painful thing to posters and evolution in this sense (ongoing discussion) seems to be even more painful. No resolution, no peace. JMHO
> >
> > rsk
>
> Excellent point. Cutting off the discussion before issues are taken care of has happened before.
>
> I hate that. Babble won't grow and evolve without the process of healing that comes when the circle is completed. Sad.
>
>
Thanks, and I agree fayeroe, I agree. Too bad Dr. Bob can't see it more our way.rsk
Posted by rskontos on March 6, 2009, at 15:48:51
In reply to Re: hopes and desires, posted by rskontos on March 6, 2009, at 15:48:08
Posted by fayeroe on March 6, 2009, at 15:58:46
In reply to Re: hopes and desires, posted by rskontos on March 6, 2009, at 15:48:08
I remember when Jennifer Anniston said that Brad Pitt was missing a sensitivity chip.
Posted by Midnightblue on March 6, 2009, at 16:51:10
In reply to Re: resolution and peace » Dr. Bob, posted by fayeroe on March 5, 2009, at 14:08:13
I'm not sure. Just when I begin to think I'm in a safe place it starts raining shoes.
MB
Posted by rskontos on March 6, 2009, at 17:30:31
In reply to Re: resolution and peace, posted by rskontos on March 6, 2009, at 15:47:01
Posted by rskontos on March 6, 2009, at 17:31:31
In reply to Re: hopes and desires » rskontos, posted by fayeroe on March 6, 2009, at 15:58:46
Yeah,
I believe someone else here (Dr. Bob) may suffer from the same ailment,
rsk
Posted by muffled on March 6, 2009, at 18:41:06
In reply to Re: hopes and desires » fayeroe, posted by rskontos on March 6, 2009, at 17:31:31
Bob is Bob, and this is his site.
I have FINALLY figgered that out.
Ya, he definately got probs, but who don't I suppose.
But his issues make it so I can't be here which is unfortunate.
I am thinking he not really a bad guy.
He just who he is.
And I can't handle it right now.
Please all.
Don't beat yourselves up.
Take care yourselves.
M
Posted by fayeroe on March 6, 2009, at 19:10:24
In reply to Re: resolution and peace » fayeroe, posted by Midnightblue on March 6, 2009, at 16:51:10
> I'm not sure. Just when I begin to think I'm in a safe place it starts raining shoes.
>
> MBheels or flats?
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 8, 2009, at 0:57:19
In reply to Re: resolution and peace, posted by rskontos on March 6, 2009, at 15:47:01
> I wonder how it would feel to have a safe place where I am not waiting for the other shoe to drop?
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> fayeroeHas it been hard to find a place like that? Maybe some posters stay because they hope and desire to avoid shoes. And maybe they like the idea that my shoes follow rules.
> Systems theorists suggest that evolution is less of a goal or choice than a natural by-product of conflict and instability.
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> TophThat makes sense to me. I suggest that conflict and instability are a natural by-product of people coming together.
> You have included yourself in the us, however, your journey is remarkably different than others. ... I think the potential for us to be hurt is much more greater than yours!
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> I am amazed at times about the apparent lack of flexibility. (in how you view the things we perceive as threatening you view as a journey.)
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> rskAll our journeys are different. Do you think your potential to benefit might also be much greater than mine? All our perspectives are different, too. I wouldn't see someone as inflexible just because their view wasn't the same as mine.
Bob
Posted by fayeroe on March 8, 2009, at 9:50:02
In reply to Re: shoes, conflict, and journeys, posted by Dr. Bob on March 8, 2009, at 0:57:19
> > I wonder how it would feel to have a safe place where I am not waiting for the other shoe to drop?
> >
> > fayeroe
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> Has it been hard to find a place like that? Maybe some posters stay because they hope and desire to avoid shoes. And maybe they like the idea that my shoes follow rules.I've told you this before, I stay because I have friends here. Do I not have the right, as a poster, to wish things were better. I believe that you have a long way to go before you understand what we have been saying to you in the long thread.
I think that the idea of your shoes following rules is a bit of a stretch.
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> > Systems theorists suggest that evolution is less of a goal or choice than a natural by-product of conflict and instability.
> >
> > Toph
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> That makes sense to me. I suggest that conflict and instability are a natural by-product of people coming together.Funny how you think.
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> > You have included yourself in the us, however, your journey is remarkably different than others. ... I think the potential for us to be hurt is much more greater than yours!
> >
> > I am amazed at times about the apparent lack of flexibility. (in how you view the things we perceive as threatening you view as a journey.)
> >
> > rsk
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> All our journeys are different. Do you think your potential to benefit might also be much greater than mine? All our perspectives are different, too. I wouldn't see someone as inflexible just because their view wasn't the same as mine.Shaking head.....poor Bob.
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> Bob
Posted by Sigismund on March 8, 2009, at 16:09:09
In reply to Re: shoes, conflict, and journeys » Dr. Bob, posted by fayeroe on March 8, 2009, at 9:50:02
By my count Bob has appeared on this thread 14 times, including the 2 blocks.
This might be a recent record.
Posted by rskontos on March 8, 2009, at 17:31:20
In reply to Re: shoes, conflict, and journeys, posted by Dr. Bob on March 8, 2009, at 0:57:19
.... I wouldn't see someone as inflexible just because their view wasn't the same as mine.
Bob ...
Dr Bob,
I don't see you as inflexible because your views are different than I. That is narrowminded and I hope I am anything but that. Why I think of you as being inflexible is that the thread's message seems to have eluded you. That is all. We are trying to get resolution on this board to discuss things that bother us and yet you seem to miss the point. Again.
I am done with this. It seems that we will not conquer this great divide.
rsk
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 9, 2009, at 4:31:53
In reply to Re: shoes, conflict, and journeys » Dr. Bob, posted by rskontos on March 8, 2009, at 17:31:20
> > > I wonder how it would feel to have a safe place where I am not waiting for the other shoe to drop?
> >
> > Has it been hard to find a place like that? Maybe some posters stay because they hope and desire to avoid shoes.
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> Do I not have the right, as a poster, to wish things were better. I believe that you have a long way to go before you understand what we have been saying to you in the long thread.
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> fayeroeI understand that you (and other posters) wish it felt safer here. Is that accurate? You certainly have the right to wish that.
> Why I think of you as being inflexible is that the thread's message seems to have eluded you. That is all. We are trying to get resolution on this board to discuss things that bother us and yet you seem to miss the point. Again.
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> I am done with this. It seems that we will not conquer this great divide.
>
> rskWould you say I'm dense (not getting your point) or inflexible (getting it, but disagreeing with you)? Either way, I understand that it could feel like a great divide. If I'm not getting it, I'd still like to, could you repeat it?
Bob
Posted by Zeba on April 3, 2009, at 22:16:54
In reply to Re: safety and division, posted by Dr. Bob on March 9, 2009, at 4:31:53
My monthly or month and a half look back on this site, and I see nothing has changed. I think this site should be called "blockobabble." I would have to agree that blocks over a few weeks are punitive. Perhaps if I wait 3 months to look again things will have changed. Nope I am kidding myself.
Zeba
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