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Posted by Lou PIlder on May 24, 2007, at 6:48:33
In reply to Lou's response to ou2's post-ybotr-B » ou2, posted by Lou PIlder on May 23, 2007, at 19:59:43
> > I saw your request for dismissal above and I felt good when I saw it. I then saw the retraction. I agree with the post above - the question of *why bother* is a valid one, I believe.
> >
> > Clean slates aren't the worse thing, IMO
>
> ou2,
> You wrote.[...the question of *why bother* is a valid one...]
> I am unsure as to what is meant by the {why bother}. Could you elaborate on that?
> Lou
>
Friends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, you could email me if you like to see the notifications in question.
Lou
lpilder_1188@fuse.net
Posted by ou2 on May 24, 2007, at 7:04:29
In reply to Lou's response to ou2's post-ybotr-B2, posted by Lou PIlder on May 24, 2007, at 6:48:33
> > > Could you elaborate on that?
Given that weeks and months pass with no adm response to reminders, following the reminder policy does not seem, IMO, worth the effort to continue to do so. Thus, "Why bother?" appears to me to be a valid question.
Posted by Lou PIlder on May 24, 2007, at 7:45:10
In reply to Re: » Lou PIlder, posted by ou2 on May 24, 2007, at 7:04:29
> > > > Could you elaborate on that?
>
>
> Given that weeks and months pass with no adm response to reminders, following the reminder policy does not seem, IMO, worth the effort to continue to do so. Thus, "Why bother?" appears to me to be a valid question.ou2,
You wrote,[...weeks and months pass...no response...following the..policy..not worth the effort..."Why bother"..a valid question...]
There is a principle sometimes called,[..past results do not predict future performance...].
With that principle in mind, could not Dr. Hsiung either post to the thread in question in the notification, or reply to me at any time? If you think not, could you elaborate as to why you think not?
Lou
Posted by Lou PIlder on May 24, 2007, at 8:43:49
In reply to Lou's reply to ou2-thnknotynot? » ou2, posted by Lou PIlder on May 24, 2007, at 7:45:10
> > > > > Could you elaborate on that?
> >
> >
> > Given that weeks and months pass with no adm response to reminders, following the reminder policy does not seem, IMO, worth the effort to continue to do so. Thus, "Why bother?" appears to me to be a valid question.
>
> ou2,
> You wrote,[...weeks and months pass...no response...following the..policy..not worth the effort..."Why bother"..a valid question...]
> There is a principle sometimes called,[..past results do not predict future performance...].
> With that principle in mind, could not Dr. Hsiung either post to the thread in question in the notification, or reply to me at any time? If you think not, could you elaborate as to why you think not?
> LouFriends,
The TOS here could mean that notifications {will} be responded to. Here is a link that Dr. Hsiung writes that notifications {will} be responded to in one of two ways.
The generally accepted meaning of {will} is that there is a determined effort to do something, as in an inevitability, such as, [..we >will< overcome...] or,[...the sun >will< come up tomorrow...].
Here is a link of a post by DR. Hsiung where he writes that the notifications {will} be responded to. I think that his statement could be considered to be part of the terms of service here so I will await for him to respond to my notificatins.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20061018/msgs/699224.html
Posted by ou2 on May 24, 2007, at 9:06:38
In reply to Lou's reply to ou2-thnknotynot? » ou2, posted by Lou PIlder on May 24, 2007, at 7:45:10
> > > > > Could you elaborate on that?
> >
> >
> > Given that weeks and months pass with no adm response to reminders, following the reminder policy does not seem, IMO, worth the effort to continue to do so. Thus, "Why bother?" appears to me to be a valid question.
>
> ou2,
> You wrote,[...weeks and months pass...no response...following the..policy..not worth the effort..."Why bother"..a valid question...]
> There is a principle sometimes called,[..past results do not predict future performance...].
> With that principle in mind, could not Dr. Hsiung either post to the thread in question in the notification, or reply to me at any time? If you think not, could you elaborate as to why you think not?
> Lou
I agree that principle can sometimes be true. I have seen, by my interpretation, the pattern in responses to concerns here by adm, specifically Dr. Bob. Again, MY interpretation is: Some questions and/or concerns get responses and some are ignored. And yes, I believe there are issues that purposely get a nonresponse. I believe he responds only when it wants to respond. The reason for this can only be answered by Dr. Bob. Arguing that pattern COULD change is certainly something that could be argued. I have also seen a pattern that changes are very rare.I have not seen where the reminder policy is effective in achieving a response. Have you?
Posted by Lou PIlder on May 24, 2007, at 9:15:25
In reply to Re: » Lou PIlder, posted by ou2 on May 24, 2007, at 9:06:38
> > > > > > Could you elaborate on that?
> > >
> > >
> > > Given that weeks and months pass with no adm response to reminders, following the reminder policy does not seem, IMO, worth the effort to continue to do so. Thus, "Why bother?" appears to me to be a valid question.
> >
> > ou2,
> > You wrote,[...weeks and months pass...no response...following the..policy..not worth the effort..."Why bother"..a valid question...]
> > There is a principle sometimes called,[..past results do not predict future performance...].
> > With that principle in mind, could not Dr. Hsiung either post to the thread in question in the notification, or reply to me at any time? If you think not, could you elaborate as to why you think not?
> > Lou
>
>
> I agree that principle can sometimes be true. I have seen, by my interpretation, the pattern in responses to concerns here by adm, specifically Dr. Bob. Again, MY interpretation is: Some questions and/or concerns get responses and some are ignored. And yes, I believe there are issues that purposely get a nonresponse. I believe he responds only when it wants to respond. The reason for this can only be answered by Dr. Bob. Arguing that pattern COULD change is certainly something that could be argued. I have also seen a pattern that changes are very rare.
>
> I have not seen where the reminder policy is effective in achieving a response. Have you?ou2,
You wrote,[...I have not seen...reminder polcy..effective. Have you?...]
Here Dr. Hsiung writes on February 26 that he will respond to my reminder to a notification that I sent on January 24
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20070123/msgs/736368.html
Posted by Lou PIlder on May 24, 2007, at 9:21:30
In reply to Lou's reply to ou2-DR.Hsiung repnd » ou2, posted by Lou PIlder on May 24, 2007, at 9:15:25
> > > > > > > Could you elaborate on that?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Given that weeks and months pass with no adm response to reminders, following the reminder policy does not seem, IMO, worth the effort to continue to do so. Thus, "Why bother?" appears to me to be a valid question.
> > >
> > > ou2,
> > > You wrote,[...weeks and months pass...no response...following the..policy..not worth the effort..."Why bother"..a valid question...]
> > > There is a principle sometimes called,[..past results do not predict future performance...].
> > > With that principle in mind, could not Dr. Hsiung either post to the thread in question in the notification, or reply to me at any time? If you think not, could you elaborate as to why you think not?
> > > Lou
> >
> >
> > I agree that principle can sometimes be true. I have seen, by my interpretation, the pattern in responses to concerns here by adm, specifically Dr. Bob. Again, MY interpretation is: Some questions and/or concerns get responses and some are ignored. And yes, I believe there are issues that purposely get a nonresponse. I believe he responds only when it wants to respond. The reason for this can only be answered by Dr. Bob. Arguing that pattern COULD change is certainly something that could be argued. I have also seen a pattern that changes are very rare.
> >
> > I have not seen where the reminder policy is effective in achieving a response. Have you?
>
> ou2,
> You wrote,[...I have not seen...reminder polcy..effective. Have you?...]
> Here Dr. Hsiung writes on February 26 that he will respond to my reminder to a notification that I sent on January 24
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20070123/msgs/736368.htmlou2,
Here DR. Hsiung writes that he wouldn't say that it is futile to appeal
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20061228/msgs/717739.html
Here Dr. Hsiung writes that if I think that there is a problem with a post to use the notifiction button.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20070123/msgs/727959.html
Lou
Posted by Lou PIlder on May 24, 2007, at 10:08:30
In reply to Lou's reply to ou2-DR.Hsiung repnd-mor, posted by Lou PIlder on May 24, 2007, at 9:21:30
> > > > > > > > Could you elaborate on that?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Given that weeks and months pass with no adm response to reminders, following the reminder policy does not seem, IMO, worth the effort to continue to do so. Thus, "Why bother?" appears to me to be a valid question.
> > > >
> > > > ou2,
> > > > You wrote,[...weeks and months pass...no response...following the..policy..not worth the effort..."Why bother"..a valid question...]
> > > > There is a principle sometimes called,[..past results do not predict future performance...].
> > > > With that principle in mind, could not Dr. Hsiung either post to the thread in question in the notification, or reply to me at any time? If you think not, could you elaborate as to why you think not?
> > > > Lou
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree that principle can sometimes be true. I have seen, by my interpretation, the pattern in responses to concerns here by adm, specifically Dr. Bob. Again, MY interpretation is: Some questions and/or concerns get responses and some are ignored. And yes, I believe there are issues that purposely get a nonresponse. I believe he responds only when it wants to respond. The reason for this can only be answered by Dr. Bob. Arguing that pattern COULD change is certainly something that could be argued. I have also seen a pattern that changes are very rare.
> > >
> > > I have not seen where the reminder policy is effective in achieving a response. Have you?
> >
> > ou2,
> > You wrote,[...I have not seen...reminder polcy..effective. Have you?...]
> > Here Dr. Hsiung writes on February 26 that he will respond to my reminder to a notification that I sent on January 24
> > Lou
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20070123/msgs/736368.html
>
> ou2,
> Here DR. Hsiung writes that he wouldn't say that it is futile to appeal
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20061228/msgs/717739.html
> Here Dr. Hsiung writes that if I think that there is a problem with a post to use the notifiction button.
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20070123/msgs/727959.html
> LouFriends,
Here is a link to a post by Dr. Hsiung where he writes something that IMO has the potential for one to think that by there not being a response to a notification that a non-response is out of the mission of the forum's TOS.
Dr. Hsiung wites,
[...Are you saying that you've notified us and nothing's happened? If so, please notify us again. Thanks....]
The generlly accepted understanding that one could get from Dr. Hsiung's statement here is that he wants to have a response to a notification, and to the notification that I sent, for he writes, notify us (my notification)again and uses the phrase,{and nothing's happened?}
The phrase,{are you saying} is generally understood to mean that the one using that expression is asking for clarification or in some cases to ask the person if they want to rule out what is the subject of the phrase {are you saying}.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20070123/msgs/728181.html
Posted by ou2 on May 24, 2007, at 12:03:58
In reply to Lou's reply to ou2-DR.Hsiung repnd » ou2, posted by Lou PIlder on May 24, 2007, at 9:15:25
Given the posts of yours you have cited, one would believe there is an intention to address them, however has a response to them happened? I tend to think lipservice has been given but no actions.
Tenaciousness can be a admirable quality but so can knowing when to stop being tenacious when it becomes futile effort. Doesn't all your work and attention resulting in not receiving, what I consider, proper adm feedback, have you feeling frustrated?
Posted by Lou PIlder on May 24, 2007, at 21:11:18
In reply to Re: » Lou PIlder, posted by ou2 on May 24, 2007, at 12:03:58
> Given the posts of yours you have cited, one would believe there is an intention to address them, however has a response to them happened? I tend to think lipservice has been given but no actions.
>
> Tenaciousness can be a admirable quality but so can knowing when to stop being tenacious when it becomes futile effort. Doesn't all your work and attention resulting in not receiving, what I consider, proper adm feedback, have you feeling frustrated?
>
ou2,
You wrote,[...has a response..happened?...]
Can that there has not been a response, be a response?
Lou
Posted by ou2 on May 25, 2007, at 6:20:51
In reply to Lou's reply to ou2-whtisarespn? » ou2, posted by Lou PIlder on May 24, 2007, at 21:11:18
> > Doesn't all your work and attention resulting in not receiving, what I consider, proper adm feedback, have you feeling frustrated?
> >
> ou2,
> You wrote,[...has a response..happened?...]
> Can that there has not been a response, be a response?
> Lou
>
I can best answer your question to me if I could know your answer to the question I posted to you above.ou2
Posted by Lou PIlder on May 25, 2007, at 6:54:45
In reply to Re: » Lou PIlder, posted by ou2 on May 25, 2007, at 6:20:51
> > > Doesn't all your work and attention resulting in not receiving, what I consider, proper adm feedback, have you feeling frustrated?
> > >
> > ou2,
> > You wrote,[...has a response..happened?...]
> > Can that there has not been a response, be a response?
> > Lou
> >
>
>
> I can best answer your question to me if I could know your answer to the question I posted to you above.
>
> ou2ou2,
You wrote,[...could answer..if I could know...]
You have asked about my {feelings} in relation to feeling {frustrated}in regards to my efforts to have the notifications in question responded to as per the TOS here.
I was wondering if any of the following could also be descriptive or could be substituted for {frustrated}, in your opinion, in your asking me about my feelings in regards to the notifications that have not been responded to according to the TOS here.
A.baffled
B.dehumanized
C.foiled
D.put down
E.thwarted
F.discriminated
G.subjected to two standards
H.subjected to a higher standard than other members
K.denied equality
Lou
Posted by ou2 on May 25, 2007, at 7:02:43
In reply to Lou's reply to ou2-afmactn » ou2, posted by Lou PIlder on May 25, 2007, at 6:54:45
As I'm asking about how you feel, I cannot know your feelings and would not try to guess.
Are your listed choices reflective of how you feel?
Posted by Lou PIlder on May 25, 2007, at 7:33:30
In reply to Re: » Lou PIlder, posted by ou2 on May 25, 2007, at 7:02:43
> As I'm asking about how you feel, I cannot know your feelings and would not try to guess.
>
> Are your listed choices reflective of how you feel?ou2,
You have asked if I feel {frustrated}. You wrote,[...I cannot know your feelings..].
Could you identify what criteria could there have been for your question to me to ask if I feel {frustrated}? If so, perhaps we could look at those criteria and see if they could apply to those other choices also?
Lou
Posted by ou2 on May 25, 2007, at 10:03:10
In reply to Lou's reply to ou2-critofel » ou2, posted by Lou PIlder on May 25, 2007, at 7:33:30
> Could you identify what criteria could there have been for your question to me to ask if I feel {frustrated}?In discussing whether a poster should *bother* to send reminders for Dr. Bob for a response, catalyst is the word I would use for what *could* cause a poster to feel frustrated. The lack of a response would, IMO, be the catalyst - especially with repeated reminders.
I would not presume to say you feel frustrated - I ask the question if you did feel frustration in the circumstance I noted above. You are not obliged to answer.
Posted by Lou PIlder on May 25, 2007, at 10:53:45
In reply to Re: » Lou PIlder, posted by ou2 on May 25, 2007, at 10:03:10
>
> > Could you identify what criteria could there have been for your question to me to ask if I feel {frustrated}?
>
> In discussing whether a poster should *bother* to send reminders for Dr. Bob for a response, catalyst is the word I would use for what *could* cause a poster to feel frustrated. The lack of a response would, IMO, be the catalyst - especially with repeated reminders.
>
> I would not presume to say you feel frustrated - I ask the question if you did feel frustration in the circumstance I noted above. You are not obliged to answer.ou2,
In looking at your reply to me above, you wrote that you would use the word,{catalyst}for what could cause a poster to feel {frustrated}.
The generally accepted meaning of {catalyst} is something that {speeds up} a result.
If the catalyst is {lack of a response}, and if the result in question here is ,{frustration},I am unsure as to what you mean. If the catalyst was not there, then would I be frustrated anyway but that the frustration could take longer to happen?
Lou
Posted by Lou PIlder on May 25, 2007, at 11:17:08
In reply to Lou's reply to ou2-catlst » ou2, posted by Lou PIlder on May 25, 2007, at 10:53:45
> >
> > > Could you identify what criteria could there have been for your question to me to ask if I feel {frustrated}?
> >
> > In discussing whether a poster should *bother* to send reminders for Dr. Bob for a response, catalyst is the word I would use for what *could* cause a poster to feel frustrated. The lack of a response would, IMO, be the catalyst - especially with repeated reminders.
> >
> > I would not presume to say you feel frustrated - I ask the question if you did feel frustration in the circumstance I noted above. You are not obliged to answer.
>
> ou2,
> In looking at your reply to me above, you wrote that you would use the word,{catalyst}for what could cause a poster to feel {frustrated}.
> The generally accepted meaning of {catalyst} is something that {speeds up} a result.
> If the catalyst is {lack of a response}, and if the result in question here is ,{frustration},I am unsure as to what you mean. If the catalyst was not there, then would I be frustrated anyway but that the frustration could take longer to happen?
> Louou2,
You wrote,[...I ask..if you feel frustration in the circumstances...]
The generally accepted meaning of feeling {frustated} is a feeling of {discouragment} or {defeat}.
These feelings generally arise in someone when there are {unresolved}issues that one is attempting to resolve.
As to if these feelings could happen to me, I do not think that I am different from others and feel frustration here with the inresolved issues of that I am awaiting a response to notifications as per the TOS here. Could the circumstances here, in your opinion, invoke feelings of another nature?
Lou
Posted by ou2 on May 25, 2007, at 11:24:41
In reply to Lou's reply to ou2-catlst » ou2, posted by Lou PIlder on May 25, 2007, at 10:53:45
I am using the word catalyst as a *provoker* which is also an accepted use of the word.
Posted by ou2 on May 25, 2007, at 11:30:33
In reply to Lou's reply to ou2-unrsolvd » Lou PIlder, posted by Lou PIlder on May 25, 2007, at 11:17:08
> > > Could the circumstances here, in your opinion, invoke feelings of another nature?
I do think seeking adm responses to concerns and issues could involve many feelings in the posters seeking such. I think the feelings would be individual and vary from poster to poster.
Posted by Lou PIlder on May 25, 2007, at 11:38:31
In reply to Re: » Lou PIlder, posted by ou2 on May 25, 2007, at 11:24:41
> I am using the word catalyst as a *provoker* which is also an accepted use of the word.
ou2,
There could be various meanings of {catalyst}, so in looking at your usage here of the word, I would not have thought that you would mean that usage verses the other generally accepted meaning of the word because one of the generally accepted meanings of {provoker} is something that could {incite} or stir up another person to anger, which is not, as I see it,as a subject in the discussion.
Lou
Posted by Lou PIlder on May 25, 2007, at 12:13:41
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to ou2-unrsolvd, posted by ou2 on May 25, 2007, at 11:30:33
> > > > Could the circumstances here, in your opinion, invoke feelings of another nature?
>
>
> I do think seeking adm responses to concerns and issues could involve many feelings in the posters seeking such. I think the feelings would be individual and vary from poster to poster.ou2,
In your reply to me above, in your opinion, could the feelings be different,and if so how, in regards to members seeking admin responses to concerns and issues, when;
A. the member seeking has a response within two days?
B. the member uses the reminder procedure and has a response within two more days?
C. the member seeking has no response after repeated reminders?
D. other sitiuations not specified
Lou
Posted by ou2 on May 25, 2007, at 12:44:39
In reply to Lou's reply to ou2-incit » ou2, posted by Lou PIlder on May 25, 2007, at 11:38:31
There could be various meanings of {catalyst}, so in looking at your usage here of the word, I would not have thought that you would mean that usage verses the other generally accepted meaning of the word because one of the generally accepted meanings of {provoker} is something that could {incite} or stir up another person to anger, which is not, as I see it,as a subject in the discussion.
> LouI use provoker to mean: "to arouse to a feeling or action" - per M-W and acceptable usage.
The feeling or action is not specific per the definition.
I now have my untidy house and expected guests for the holiday as a catalyst to get cracking on some tasks. May we continue this at a later time?
Take Care Lou
Posted by Lou PIlder on May 25, 2007, at 14:03:53
In reply to Re: » Lou PIlder, posted by ou2 on May 25, 2007, at 12:44:39
> There could be various meanings of {catalyst}, so in looking at your usage here of the word, I would not have thought that you would mean that usage verses the other generally accepted meaning of the word because one of the generally accepted meanings of {provoker} is something that could {incite} or stir up another person to anger, which is not, as I see it,as a subject in the discussion.
> > Lou
>
> I use provoker to mean: "to arouse to a feeling or action" - per M-W and acceptable usage.
>
> The feeling or action is not specific per the definition.
>
> I now have my untidy house and expected guests for the holiday as a catalyst to get cracking on some tasks. May we continue this at a later time?
>
> Take Care Louou2,
The use of {provoke (tv), or provoker(n)}, could have various uses. In particular, but not limited to, older languages that still survive.
In the past, one meaning of {provoke} has been used to mean to incite to {anger or resentment} and this usage survives to this day.
I am unsure if {provoke or provoker} is equivalent to {catalyst}.
You wrote,[...may we continue...?]
That would be fine.
Lou
Posted by mike lynch on May 29, 2007, at 0:55:53
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to ou2-catvsprvok, posted by mike lynch on May 29, 2007, at 0:52:56
Is it really worth it? The constant notifications and follow ups, scrutinizing of the rules. If you have so much criticism of this forum, that never seems to cease, I think it's appropriate to maybe concede that it's just not for you. You've been posting complaints for months and months, and have gotten what? This is just an internet forum, nothing more. There are way more important things to fight about I really don't understand your motivatations and unrelenting persistence. I never even see you post, outside of the admin forum.
Posted by Lou PIlder on May 29, 2007, at 5:06:04
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to ou2-catvsprvok, posted by mike lynch on May 29, 2007, at 0:55:53
> Is it really worth it? The constant notifications and follow ups, scrutinizing of the rules. If you have so much criticism of this forum, that never seems to cease, I think it's appropriate to maybe concede that it's just not for you. You've been posting complaints for months and months, and have gotten what? This is just an internet forum, nothing more. There are way more important things to fight about I really don't understand your motivatations and unrelenting persistence. I never even see you post, outside of the admin forum.
Friends,
It is written here,[...Is it..worth it?...notifications and follow ups...the rules...criticism..concede...not for...months and months.gotton what?...nothing more...more important things...don't understand your..persistence...I never...].
I am unsure as to what is meant by many of the aspects mentioned in the above post. When I have a better understanding of those, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
Lou
lpilder_1188@fuse.net
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