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Posted by sunnydays on October 17, 2006, at 20:50:26
What is the rationale behind DNPs again? And the rules governing them? It was just requested that I not post to someone and I was so blown out of the water and broke down crying because I never intend to be anything but kind to people. What is the rationale behind DNPs?
sunnydays
Posted by Jost on October 17, 2006, at 21:43:27
In reply to DNPs, posted by sunnydays on October 17, 2006, at 20:50:26
Sunnyday, try not to feel bad about that.
I can't speak for Lou, of course-- I myself just requested some explanation for his action toward you-- but you did and said nothing that I can see as wrong, or problematic. Maybe Lou uses the DNP in an unusual way.I definitely appreciate your contributions to these discussions. Sorry this is a hard time.
Jost
Posted by gardenergirl on October 17, 2006, at 22:21:11
In reply to DNPs, posted by sunnydays on October 17, 2006, at 20:50:26
I'm sorry for your hurt. You weren't unkind. And I don't view the DNP as a reflection on you or your posts. You're not alone in this experience. Lou has used this option a number of times in the past.
Still, I was surprised to read today's.
Take care,
gg
Posted by Glydin on October 17, 2006, at 22:47:01
In reply to DNPs, posted by sunnydays on October 17, 2006, at 20:50:26
I’m very sorry that happened to you.
When DNP requests were first in use - AS I CAME TO UNDERSTAND THEM - they were a last step for folks who could not work out differences or for obvious harassment/safety issues, or behaviors between folks that was egregious. Now, well, it’s use by some has become more in the line of: “You don’t agree with me, so don’t post to me…”. I don't think that use was necessarily part of it's original intent but we are now able to simply request that from another poster. I don't like it and I think if obvious reasons appear to be lacking, it can be quite hurtful and doesn't exactly improve group harmony but, hey, that's the way it is now.
Try to not let it upset you any more than it has.
Posted by Lindenblüte on October 17, 2006, at 22:56:23
In reply to Re: DNPs » sunnydays, posted by Glydin on October 17, 2006, at 22:47:01
((((sunnydays))))
sometimes a DNP is wielded as a weapon. IMO it should be used as a weapon of self-defense.
I don't understand the meaning of the DNP that was directed towards you.
I'm so sorry you're hurt by it.
Please post to me (PPTM)
yours,
-Li
Posted by karen_kay on October 18, 2006, at 7:11:21
In reply to PPTM sunnydays :), posted by Lindenblüte on October 17, 2006, at 22:56:23
Posted by Toph on October 18, 2006, at 7:38:17
In reply to DNPs, posted by sunnydays on October 17, 2006, at 20:50:26
I find the Do Not Post provision a good option in cases where the person feels harrassed. Where there is no obvious harrassment I find DNPs inherently unsupportive and uncivil conduct.
Posted by 10derHeart on October 18, 2006, at 21:11:12
In reply to Re: DNPs » sunnydays, posted by Toph on October 18, 2006, at 7:38:17
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 19, 2006, at 8:15:48
In reply to Re: DNPs » sunnydays, posted by Glydin on October 17, 2006, at 22:47:01
> When DNP requests were first in use - AS I CAME TO UNDERSTAND THEM - they were a last step for folks who could not work out differences or for obvious harassment/safety issues, or behaviors between folks that was egregious.
That's still the idea:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#harassed
> Now, well, it’s use by some has become more in the line of: “You don’t agree with me, so don’t post to me…”. I don't think that use was necessarily part of it's original intent but we are now able to simply request that from another poster. I don't like it and I think if obvious reasons appear to be lacking, it can be quite hurtful and doesn't exactly improve group harmony but, hey, that's the way it is now.
Maybe one way to do it would be to let people request that whenever, but just to enforce it for harassment issues?
Sunnydays, I'm sorry if you've felt hurt here.
Bob
Posted by gardenergirl on October 19, 2006, at 14:40:06
In reply to Re: PDPs, posted by Dr. Bob on October 19, 2006, at 8:15:48
> > When DNP requests were first in use - AS I CAME TO UNDERSTAND THEM - they were a last step for folks who could not work out differences or for obvious harassment/safety issues, or behaviors between folks that was egregious.
>
> That's still the idea:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#harassed
>
> > Now, well, it’s use by some has become more in the line of: “You don’t agree with me, so don’t post to me…”. I don't think that use was necessarily part of it's original intent but we are now able to simply request that from another poster. I don't like it and I think if obvious reasons appear to be lacking, it can be quite hurtful and doesn't exactly improve group harmony but, hey, that's the way it is now.
>
> Maybe one way to do it would be to let people request that whenever, but just to enforce it for harassment issues?
>
> Sunnydays, I'm sorry if you've felt hurt here.
>
> BobSo how would anyone know which are enforceable and which are not?
Posted by Glydin on October 19, 2006, at 17:40:40
In reply to Re: PDPs » Dr. Bob, posted by gardenergirl on October 19, 2006, at 14:40:06
> So how would anyone know which are enforceable and which are not?
>~~~ Very good point.
When the situation is not for the reasons that are generally the idea of the use of DNP, I like the use of: "This is an impasse and further discussion would only lead to discord..." or something similar. I feel that addresses the discussion of the SUBJECT as opposed to DNP requests which feel to me to be very personally specific to the poster and truthfully, I believe should be a personal request.
DNP's do not stop posters from continuing on discussions which is why I believe in the criteria stated earlier as the "real" reasons to use DNP requests and use the requests rarely.
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 22, 2006, at 12:15:30
In reply to Re: PDPs » Dr. Bob, posted by gardenergirl on October 19, 2006, at 14:40:06
> > > When DNP requests were first in use ... they were a last step
> >
> > Maybe one way to do it would be to let people request that whenever, but just to enforce it for harassment issues?
>
> So how would anyone know which are enforceable and which are not?That's a good question. They could ask?
Something else I've been wondering about is how they're supposed to be a last step. It would make things even more complicated, but maybe if they're going to be enforced, there should be a list of previous steps taken...
Bob
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