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Posted by Deneb on October 10, 2005, at 21:07:36
In reply to Re: Have you been really busy???, posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2005, at 20:57:01
We care about you Dr. Bob.
If you don't want to moderate the boards, can you join us instead?
We wouldn't expect you to answer our questions or anything like that. You could just socialize a bit here whenever you feel like it.
Deneb
Posted by Toph on October 10, 2005, at 21:11:03
In reply to Have you been really busy???, posted by alexandra_k on October 8, 2005, at 8:54:27
Bob being more involved in the past is merely an illusion alex. If you consider the following example, he only rarely interacted with posters in the past. I think we are all being a little over sensitive about him not meeting our needs lately.
Posted by Deneb on October 10, 2005, at 21:36:58
In reply to Re: Have you been really busy??? » alexandra_k, posted by Toph on October 10, 2005, at 21:11:03
Hi Toph
I don't quite understand how that link shows that Dr. Bob has always been like this. It looked like he was all over the board.
Confused
Deneb
Posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2005, at 22:43:45
In reply to Re: Have you been really busy??? » Toph, posted by Deneb on October 10, 2005, at 21:36:58
>Is any environment optimal? One way to look at it is that this site has selected for posters who are comfortable with, or at least willing to tolerate, me running it. Whereas a more democratic structure would require people who wanted to run it themselves. Again, if people would like to try, I'm still looking for volunteers. They can also contact current or past deputies rather than me if they'd prefer...
From:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20050219/msgs/471938.html
Is that what is going on?????
Posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2005, at 22:54:03
In reply to Re: sh*t, posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2005, at 22:43:45
at this point in time you seem to have precisely one active volounteer.
and far from volounteers running things themselves 'more democratically' they are left having to try and read your mind to deliver determinations / make decisions on the basis of what you would do if you were here.
no fair dr-bob
no fair
Posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2005, at 23:41:53
In reply to Re: in case you haven't noticed..., posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2005, at 22:54:03
still...
i suppose you have expressed interest in the idea for a while now...
about your role here
about whether the boards would be better off if you were to take a less active rolei didn't think you were going to do it though
there are other boards
if people don't post here because they don't like your running the boards
well... who cares? they can bug off to any other board and they won't have to put up with you anymore.but i guess...
babble must take a lot of time
and other clinicians don't want to get involvedso there it is
Posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2005, at 23:52:47
In reply to Re: in case you haven't noticed..., posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2005, at 23:41:53
im sorry i should have kept my trap shut
but if this is what is going on...
it sux
and i am not happy
not happy at all :-(
Posted by alexandra_k on October 11, 2005, at 1:26:56
In reply to Re: in case you haven't noticed..., posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2005, at 23:52:47
i've just started stressing...
and i most probably should have kept my thoughts to myself...maybe i'm having an extreme reaction to something that is grounded in the present situation...
or maybe i'm having an extreme reaction to something that is not grounded in the present situation...
sometimes i lose it a little and i can't tell...
i can't tell...:-(
i really don't mean to upset anyone...
though i guess i'm finding it a bit upsetting myself...sorry.
but...
i have been looking through the archives a lot...
trying to find that post...
(which was actually found ages ago lol)
and its hard to tell whether this is right or not...but it seems to me...
that dr-bob has posted quite a lot of questions / inquiries / thoughts / references on ideas about how the group could be best moderated. about the ways other groups are moderated. about how those groups compare to this group. about things like conflict and levels of involvements and the kinds of posters. about fight / flight responses and scapegoating.
and it seems to me...
like he has been looking for something...
validation?
do you need to move on for you dr-bob?
i appreciate that when you are more involved in the boards it must take up quite a lot of your time and energy. and those are scarce resources. i appreciate that.
i just thought that stuff was about seeing what made babble different. unique. because i've had a bit of a look around at different online forums. and i reckon babble is the best. and i guess most of us do or we wouldn't be here.
but maybe you wanted reassurance that the boards would be okay without you. or with a lot less imput from you.
i guess the boards would be okay in a way. more like lots of other boards that are out there. more like the boards many of us passed over once we found this one. but maybe... you think they have posters over there that you think would be able to benefit this community. in ways that current posters don't. maybe you want to attract those posters? the ones who aren't here because of you. but then that doesn't seem right to me.
so i'm wondering whether you were looking for validation.
i'm sorry :-(
if you need to move on for you then i guess we will just have to accept that.
things will change...
people will leave.
people will come.but i guess things change (albeit at a slower pace) anyway...
but don't try and convince us that you are doing it for us :-(
because i don't believe you.
please can you just tell us what is going on?
if i am way over-reacting then i will feel like a right *ss. but at this point i really don't care. please just tell us something :-(
Posted by Dinah on October 11, 2005, at 5:46:50
In reply to Re: i'm sorry :-(, posted by alexandra_k on October 11, 2005, at 1:26:56
I don't think I could be involved in the same way if Dr. Bob wasn't. He's always been too much a part of Babble to me.
But as I know too well, things constantly change around me, and it's not up to me.
(I hadn't realized that the small board topic had been successfully resolved in a positive direction. Certainly not on my part. Perhaps you mistook my desire not to argue the point because I don't like to argue for a desire not to argue the point because I decided I agreed with you.)
Posted by Toph on October 11, 2005, at 7:06:32
In reply to Re: Have you been really busy??? » Toph, posted by Deneb on October 10, 2005, at 21:36:58
Posted by alexandra_k on October 12, 2005, at 1:50:39
In reply to Have you been really busy???, posted by alexandra_k on October 8, 2005, at 8:54:27
now i'm back to the chronic regular variety ;-)
i really am sorry about that people.
past sh*t...
past sh*t...but i'm sorry if anyone felt a little distressed by what i said :-(
(((((((everyone)))))))))
I clarified my thoughts on the thread below.
and i really am sorry for speculating...
:-(
i get caught in these really opressive head circles sometimes and i'm sorry i dragged other people along with me in that...
i hope one day i learn to keep my damned mouth shut until i am in a better frame of mind.i don't think he would just up and leave.
there is the babble party next year - right?
he's gotta hang around for that :-)
i just hope he isn't trying to reduce his involvement too much is all...
because i would miss him.
but that being said...
if he did...i hope other people wouldn't reduce their involvement as well...
because then it means for the people who are left...
well. then the loss is so very much greater.
Posted by alexandra_k on October 12, 2005, at 2:02:46
In reply to Re: in case you haven't noticed..., posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2005, at 22:54:03
> at this point in time you seem to have precisely one active volounteer.
> and far from volounteers running things themselves 'more democratically' they are left having to try and read your mind to deliver determinations / make decisions on the basis of what you would do if you were here.and isn't she doing a wonderful job.
thanks for looking out for us
(((gg)))
and other people too... there are other people of course. and people better not bugger off... because people need you people too. and i'm always sad when people go. or when they reduce their involvement even :-(
but... we look out for each other too. right?
Posted by alexandra_k on October 12, 2005, at 2:09:06
In reply to Re: i'm sorry :-( » alexandra_k, posted by Dinah on October 11, 2005, at 5:46:50
> I don't think I could be involved in the same way if Dr. Bob wasn't. He's always been too much a part of Babble to me.
:-(
but...
for lots of people here...
me included...
you are round about as much a part of the boards as dr-bob is.and for some people...
even more.> (I hadn't realized that the small board topic had been successfully resolved in a positive direction. Certainly not on my part. Perhaps you mistook my desire not to argue the point because I don't like to argue for a desire not to argue the point because I decided I agreed with you.)
I'll just formally note that i have apologised to Dinah for the inaccuracy of that statement...
Oops.
I thought the issue about small boards was resolved...
But appreciated that there was still an issue about their googleability (is that a word lol) and visibility to non-members...but i should have been clearer
(and maybe thats still wrong??)
Posted by gardenergirl on October 12, 2005, at 2:19:27
In reply to Re: three cheers for gg!!!, posted by alexandra_k on October 12, 2005, at 2:02:46
Thanks for your support, alexandra.
And cheers to you, too.
gg
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 12, 2005, at 3:38:30
In reply to Re: Have you been really busy??? » Dinah, posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2005, at 17:28:31
> I have to wonder if one of the reasons Dr. Bob added new deputies is specifically so he could reduce his involvement or time spent here.
>
> All Done> yeah. a while ago he started up about 'making the boards more democratic', about delegating out some of the tasks he does to keep the boards going. i wondered about then whether it was an attempt to extract himself.
>
> i thought it was a bit of a tall order to get a couple new deputies and then bug off for a fairly long while so soon after getting them and and then leaving them to it...
>
> and some stuff...
> like the small board stuff...
> once the idea was sort of sort of accepted
> the issue was dropped...
> he doesn't seem so very keen to actually implement them or anything like that.
>
> alexandra_kSorry about not having been around more. I have in fact been really busy. But I do also think it would be better if the boards weren't quite so dependent on me. I think there's something to be said for a more democratic system, plus I'm not going to be here forever...
I agree, the timing of the addition of the newest deputies was far from ideal. That's one reason I'd like to free up some time, so I can do other things here like get new deputies on board, implement smaller boards, etc.
Bob
Posted by Dinah on October 12, 2005, at 7:34:54
In reply to Re: delegating out some of the tasks, posted by Dr. Bob on October 12, 2005, at 3:38:30
Posted by thuso on October 12, 2005, at 11:33:04
In reply to Re: delegating out some of the tasks, posted by Dr. Bob on October 12, 2005, at 3:38:30
> But I do also think it would be better if the boards weren't quite so dependent on me. I think there's something to be said for a more democratic system, plus I'm not going to be here forever...
>I think this is a good idea actually. We should start becoming more independent, but it should be done slowly. I'm sure it is going to be pretty hard on a lot of people who have been here for a long time.
Now when you talk about a more democratic system, do you mean where we as a group would ultimately decide the rules? Whoever the leaders are, they would take the general consensus of the group and between them create/enforce/make changes to the rules? I also hope that as this moves to a more democratic state that there will always be a specified "leader" running everything (even if it isn't you). Otherwise, I think it will end badly.
I'd be very interested to hear what your long term plan is for here in terms of eventually removing yourself completely.
Posted by JenStar on October 12, 2005, at 13:45:26
In reply to Re: delegating out some of the tasks, posted by Dr. Bob on October 12, 2005, at 3:38:30
Dr. Bob,
if you're not going to be here forever, does that mean you're planning on transferring ownership of Babble to another person? Do you have any backups in mind? By telling us this, are you sort of trying to prepare us for your departure & get us ready for the idea?Just Curious!
JenStar
Posted by Gabbix2 on October 12, 2005, at 17:31:14
In reply to Et tu? (nm) » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on October 12, 2005, at 7:34:54
I swear if you have to lose something that is not related to Katrina.. I'm going to spit nails.
(very carefully directed pointy nails)
Posted by crazy teresa on October 12, 2005, at 19:05:47
In reply to Re: momentary bout of insanity over..., posted by alexandra_k on October 12, 2005, at 1:50:39
> there is the babble party next year - right?
>
> he's gotta hang around for that :-)
>We're having it the same time he'll be at a convention in Toronto, so if he doesn't show up, we'll track him down! ;~}
Glad you're feeling better!
Posted by Dinah on October 12, 2005, at 20:22:25
In reply to Re: Et tu? » Dinah, posted by Gabbix2 on October 12, 2005, at 17:31:14
Thanks Gabbi. :)
I just might join you.
Danged if I know why losing Dr. Bob would be such a big deal to me...
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 13, 2005, at 1:37:28
In reply to Re: Et tu? » Gabbix2, posted by Dinah on October 12, 2005, at 20:22:25
> it should be done slowly.
Definitely! I should've emphasized that before.
> Now when you talk about a more democratic system, do you mean where we as a group would ultimately decide the rules? Whoever the leaders are, they would take the general consensus of the group and between them create/enforce/make changes to the rules? I also hope that as this moves to a more democratic state that there will always be a specified "leader" running everything (even if it isn't you). Otherwise, I think it will end badly.
Right, deciding and enforcing the rules. I think a specified leader is important, too. Badly in what way?
> I'd be very interested to hear what your long term plan is for here in terms of eventually removing yourself completely.
>
> thusoI don't have one yet. I'm doing this slowly! :-)
> By telling us this, are you sort of trying to prepare us for your departure & get us ready for the idea?
>
> JenStarI guess part of it is preparation, but I'd also like input and help...
> Danged if I know why losing Dr. Bob would be such a big deal to me...
>
> DinahWell, I'm not planning on being lost anytime soon. For better or worse...
Bob
Posted by alexandra_k on October 13, 2005, at 3:53:54
In reply to Re: delegating out some of the tasks, posted by Dr. Bob on October 12, 2005, at 3:38:30
> I have in fact been really busy.
thanks for letting us know.
Posted by alexandra_k on October 13, 2005, at 4:43:59
In reply to Re: delegating out some of the tasks, posted by Dr. Bob on October 13, 2005, at 1:37:28
I've been happy to help out any way I can for a while now. But... I am all over the place with my moods and sometimes I think I harm the boards more than I help them :-( I'm not very consistent in my ability to help out and I'm wary of taking on more than I can handle.
There is the point that something could happen to you (god forbid). And that other obligations may prevent your posting for a time. So I think it is a good idea to share the admin duties around so that the boards may still be able to continue in your absence.
But I always thought of helping as something that freed you up more. So that Babble wouldn't feel like a chore and so that you would enjoy the boards more, and enjoy Babbling with us.
It is one thing to be prepared to help with respect to those things... And another to be prepared to help you extract yourself from the boards, gradually or otherwise. I don't want you to go away :-(
Please stay and Babble with us.
Even if the boards do become democratic
Please stay and Babble with us.
Posted by alexandra_k on October 13, 2005, at 5:41:16
In reply to Re: delegating out some of the tasks » Dr. Bob, posted by alexandra_k on October 13, 2005, at 4:43:59
i've been a bit confused about what you meant by 'democratic' when you mentioned it in the past.
because... when posters do exhibit a clear preference for a change in the rules (with respect to the length of blocks on the blocking system, for example) then you seem quite happy to ignore them and continue on your merry way.
but then... you also talk about how we aren't at the stage of the boards being more democratic yet...
but i still get the sense that there is a lot of talking about it...
but you don't really want us to decide that stuff.
you do seem happy to continue on your merry way...hmm...
paternalism vs automomy perhaps...
(though after taking a tut for someone on that a while ago i'm seeing that everywhere)
how much do us posters really know about how to best moderate the boards?
how much do us posters really know about what is best for the boards, or indeed for us?but then again... how do you?
and what is the worth of your clinical judgement... and what is the worth of clinical judgement anyways when it comes to having a person to play leader???
and how much do they need a vision...
of what they are doing
and of what their role in that process is...and how much is your vision unique?
and how much would others adopt your vision?
impose their own?
and wouldn't a group of moderators with nobody in charge... be a little too eclectic?
with no overall vision... it is too easy to lose sight of a goal.i gotta stop using drugs :-(
still..
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