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Posted by Deneb on October 10, 2005, at 14:24:22
In reply to Re: Have you been really busy??? » Deneb, posted by Dinah on October 10, 2005, at 13:48:28
> Actually, my guess is a good life change.
What kind of life change do you think it is? If it's a good life change I'm going to guess new addition to the family. What about you? :-P
> He hasn't sounded the way he does when he's overworked or stressed.
What does Dr. Bob say when he is stressed?
> Maybe he's just outgrowing us. :(
:-( indeed, but we should try to be happy for him (if there was a happy change that is)
Deneb
Posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2005, at 17:28:31
In reply to Re: Have you been really busy??? » alexandra_k, posted by Dinah on October 10, 2005, at 9:26:24
yeah. a while ago he started up about 'making the boards more democratic', about delegating out some of the tasks he does to keep the boards going. i wondered about then whether it was an attempt to extract himself.
i guess thats why i got to thinking about whether his view of his role here has changed.
or maybe i'm just reading too much into it and he is busy or something...
but i don't know. i think it has been a while now.
personally (and this ain't really any of my business) but personally... i thought it was a bit of a tall order to get a couple new deputies and then bug off for a fairly long while so soon after getting them and and then leaving them to it... but i guess something may have come up...
or maybe...
he worries about how much his being here influences things...
how much admin conflict would there be without dr-bob around to address admin concerns?
how much admin conflict has there been lately?
how much admin conflict is facilitated by his willingness to adress admin issues but little else?
hmm.
but...
i liked it when there was some process stuff going on at admin.
i learned a lot.
and i liked it when he would post his thoughts on things... or links to stuff or whatever.
i don't know.
and sometimes thats the hardest.
because maybe...he is moving on
:-(
and some stuff...
like the small board stuff...
was that just to see what we thought about the issue?
to see what we thought and why?
because once the idea was sort of sort of accepted
the issue was dropped.
he only seemed to want to talk about it when people didn't like it.
and he doesn't seem so very keen to actually implement them or anything like that.who knows...
mid life crisis??
Posted by Deneb on October 10, 2005, at 17:49:28
In reply to Re: Have you been really busy??? » Dinah, posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2005, at 17:28:31
Is that what you think Alexandra?
I haven't been here as long as you. I've read some of the archives and he did initiate threads then. He doesn't anymore.
Maybe Dr. Bob is afraid of what he has created and doesn't know what to do anymore. Maybe he thinks it best to leave us alone?
Maybe my behaviour here has lead him to realize that ignoring people is the best way to deal with them?
:-( It's partly my fault. I started it. :-(Is it my fault Dr. Bob?
Deneb
Posted by Deneb on October 10, 2005, at 18:54:30
In reply to Dr. Bob is having a mid-life crisis? » alexandra_k, posted by Deneb on October 10, 2005, at 17:49:28
Sorry Dr. Bob, you don't have to answer my question. I think the answer is probably no.
I think it might be a good idea for you to tell us if you are trying to 'extract' yourself from this place so that we do not worry too much about you.
If you're going to change roles here, can you change your role to become a participant? ;-)It's a lot less work being a participant! :-) Com'on, how 'bout it? ;-) Ask for more people to volunteer as deputies and join us! Have fun with us!
We will try to help you with your problems Dr. Bob and give you our support.
Deneb
Posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2005, at 19:47:06
In reply to Dr. Bob is having a mid-life crisis? » alexandra_k, posted by Deneb on October 10, 2005, at 17:49:28
> Is that what you think Alexandra?
i'm just speculating (which i probably shouldn't).
i don't know...
and when i don't know...
is when i get to thinking / worrying...
> I haven't been here as long as you. I've read some of the archives and he did initiate threads then. He doesn't anymore.yeah.
though to be fair...
thats not really something thats part of the 'i just moderate here' line.
maybe he's decided to be a bit stricter there...
(oh dear, i'm speculating again...)he's probably just busy...
Posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2005, at 20:57:01
In reply to Have you been really busy???, posted by alexandra_k on October 8, 2005, at 8:54:27
i think...
the boards would survive without him
(unless the server expires or something like that of course)
but...
we would have lost something :-(i know he says 'i just moderate here...'
but his presence means a lot more than that
and i know that he doesn't have any obligation to us or anything like that...
but we miss him anyway :-(and without him...
i think things would change rather.
some posters would post less...
and some other posters would post more...
it would be differentand sometimes...
i do hate change :-(
Posted by Deneb on October 10, 2005, at 21:07:36
In reply to Re: Have you been really busy???, posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2005, at 20:57:01
We care about you Dr. Bob.
If you don't want to moderate the boards, can you join us instead?
We wouldn't expect you to answer our questions or anything like that. You could just socialize a bit here whenever you feel like it.
Deneb
Posted by Toph on October 10, 2005, at 21:11:03
In reply to Have you been really busy???, posted by alexandra_k on October 8, 2005, at 8:54:27
Bob being more involved in the past is merely an illusion alex. If you consider the following example, he only rarely interacted with posters in the past. I think we are all being a little over sensitive about him not meeting our needs lately.
Posted by Deneb on October 10, 2005, at 21:36:58
In reply to Re: Have you been really busy??? » alexandra_k, posted by Toph on October 10, 2005, at 21:11:03
Hi Toph
I don't quite understand how that link shows that Dr. Bob has always been like this. It looked like he was all over the board.
Confused
Deneb
Posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2005, at 22:43:45
In reply to Re: Have you been really busy??? » Toph, posted by Deneb on October 10, 2005, at 21:36:58
>Is any environment optimal? One way to look at it is that this site has selected for posters who are comfortable with, or at least willing to tolerate, me running it. Whereas a more democratic structure would require people who wanted to run it themselves. Again, if people would like to try, I'm still looking for volunteers. They can also contact current or past deputies rather than me if they'd prefer...
From:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20050219/msgs/471938.html
Is that what is going on?????
Posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2005, at 22:54:03
In reply to Re: sh*t, posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2005, at 22:43:45
at this point in time you seem to have precisely one active volounteer.
and far from volounteers running things themselves 'more democratically' they are left having to try and read your mind to deliver determinations / make decisions on the basis of what you would do if you were here.
no fair dr-bob
no fair
Posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2005, at 23:41:53
In reply to Re: in case you haven't noticed..., posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2005, at 22:54:03
still...
i suppose you have expressed interest in the idea for a while now...
about your role here
about whether the boards would be better off if you were to take a less active rolei didn't think you were going to do it though
there are other boards
if people don't post here because they don't like your running the boards
well... who cares? they can bug off to any other board and they won't have to put up with you anymore.but i guess...
babble must take a lot of time
and other clinicians don't want to get involvedso there it is
Posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2005, at 23:52:47
In reply to Re: in case you haven't noticed..., posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2005, at 23:41:53
im sorry i should have kept my trap shut
but if this is what is going on...
it sux
and i am not happy
not happy at all :-(
Posted by alexandra_k on October 11, 2005, at 1:26:56
In reply to Re: in case you haven't noticed..., posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2005, at 23:52:47
i've just started stressing...
and i most probably should have kept my thoughts to myself...maybe i'm having an extreme reaction to something that is grounded in the present situation...
or maybe i'm having an extreme reaction to something that is not grounded in the present situation...
sometimes i lose it a little and i can't tell...
i can't tell...:-(
i really don't mean to upset anyone...
though i guess i'm finding it a bit upsetting myself...sorry.
but...
i have been looking through the archives a lot...
trying to find that post...
(which was actually found ages ago lol)
and its hard to tell whether this is right or not...but it seems to me...
that dr-bob has posted quite a lot of questions / inquiries / thoughts / references on ideas about how the group could be best moderated. about the ways other groups are moderated. about how those groups compare to this group. about things like conflict and levels of involvements and the kinds of posters. about fight / flight responses and scapegoating.
and it seems to me...
like he has been looking for something...
validation?
do you need to move on for you dr-bob?
i appreciate that when you are more involved in the boards it must take up quite a lot of your time and energy. and those are scarce resources. i appreciate that.
i just thought that stuff was about seeing what made babble different. unique. because i've had a bit of a look around at different online forums. and i reckon babble is the best. and i guess most of us do or we wouldn't be here.
but maybe you wanted reassurance that the boards would be okay without you. or with a lot less imput from you.
i guess the boards would be okay in a way. more like lots of other boards that are out there. more like the boards many of us passed over once we found this one. but maybe... you think they have posters over there that you think would be able to benefit this community. in ways that current posters don't. maybe you want to attract those posters? the ones who aren't here because of you. but then that doesn't seem right to me.
so i'm wondering whether you were looking for validation.
i'm sorry :-(
if you need to move on for you then i guess we will just have to accept that.
things will change...
people will leave.
people will come.but i guess things change (albeit at a slower pace) anyway...
but don't try and convince us that you are doing it for us :-(
because i don't believe you.
please can you just tell us what is going on?
if i am way over-reacting then i will feel like a right *ss. but at this point i really don't care. please just tell us something :-(
Posted by Dinah on October 11, 2005, at 5:46:50
In reply to Re: i'm sorry :-(, posted by alexandra_k on October 11, 2005, at 1:26:56
I don't think I could be involved in the same way if Dr. Bob wasn't. He's always been too much a part of Babble to me.
But as I know too well, things constantly change around me, and it's not up to me.
(I hadn't realized that the small board topic had been successfully resolved in a positive direction. Certainly not on my part. Perhaps you mistook my desire not to argue the point because I don't like to argue for a desire not to argue the point because I decided I agreed with you.)
Posted by Toph on October 11, 2005, at 7:06:32
In reply to Re: Have you been really busy??? » Toph, posted by Deneb on October 10, 2005, at 21:36:58
Posted by alexandra_k on October 12, 2005, at 1:50:39
In reply to Have you been really busy???, posted by alexandra_k on October 8, 2005, at 8:54:27
now i'm back to the chronic regular variety ;-)
i really am sorry about that people.
past sh*t...
past sh*t...but i'm sorry if anyone felt a little distressed by what i said :-(
(((((((everyone)))))))))
I clarified my thoughts on the thread below.
and i really am sorry for speculating...
:-(
i get caught in these really opressive head circles sometimes and i'm sorry i dragged other people along with me in that...
i hope one day i learn to keep my damned mouth shut until i am in a better frame of mind.i don't think he would just up and leave.
there is the babble party next year - right?
he's gotta hang around for that :-)
i just hope he isn't trying to reduce his involvement too much is all...
because i would miss him.
but that being said...
if he did...i hope other people wouldn't reduce their involvement as well...
because then it means for the people who are left...
well. then the loss is so very much greater.
Posted by alexandra_k on October 12, 2005, at 2:02:46
In reply to Re: in case you haven't noticed..., posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2005, at 22:54:03
> at this point in time you seem to have precisely one active volounteer.
> and far from volounteers running things themselves 'more democratically' they are left having to try and read your mind to deliver determinations / make decisions on the basis of what you would do if you were here.and isn't she doing a wonderful job.
thanks for looking out for us
(((gg)))
and other people too... there are other people of course. and people better not bugger off... because people need you people too. and i'm always sad when people go. or when they reduce their involvement even :-(
but... we look out for each other too. right?
Posted by alexandra_k on October 12, 2005, at 2:09:06
In reply to Re: i'm sorry :-( » alexandra_k, posted by Dinah on October 11, 2005, at 5:46:50
> I don't think I could be involved in the same way if Dr. Bob wasn't. He's always been too much a part of Babble to me.
:-(
but...
for lots of people here...
me included...
you are round about as much a part of the boards as dr-bob is.and for some people...
even more.> (I hadn't realized that the small board topic had been successfully resolved in a positive direction. Certainly not on my part. Perhaps you mistook my desire not to argue the point because I don't like to argue for a desire not to argue the point because I decided I agreed with you.)
I'll just formally note that i have apologised to Dinah for the inaccuracy of that statement...
Oops.
I thought the issue about small boards was resolved...
But appreciated that there was still an issue about their googleability (is that a word lol) and visibility to non-members...but i should have been clearer
(and maybe thats still wrong??)
Posted by gardenergirl on October 12, 2005, at 2:19:27
In reply to Re: three cheers for gg!!!, posted by alexandra_k on October 12, 2005, at 2:02:46
Thanks for your support, alexandra.
And cheers to you, too.
gg
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 12, 2005, at 3:38:30
In reply to Re: Have you been really busy??? » Dinah, posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2005, at 17:28:31
> I have to wonder if one of the reasons Dr. Bob added new deputies is specifically so he could reduce his involvement or time spent here.
>
> All Done> yeah. a while ago he started up about 'making the boards more democratic', about delegating out some of the tasks he does to keep the boards going. i wondered about then whether it was an attempt to extract himself.
>
> i thought it was a bit of a tall order to get a couple new deputies and then bug off for a fairly long while so soon after getting them and and then leaving them to it...
>
> and some stuff...
> like the small board stuff...
> once the idea was sort of sort of accepted
> the issue was dropped...
> he doesn't seem so very keen to actually implement them or anything like that.
>
> alexandra_kSorry about not having been around more. I have in fact been really busy. But I do also think it would be better if the boards weren't quite so dependent on me. I think there's something to be said for a more democratic system, plus I'm not going to be here forever...
I agree, the timing of the addition of the newest deputies was far from ideal. That's one reason I'd like to free up some time, so I can do other things here like get new deputies on board, implement smaller boards, etc.
Bob
Posted by Dinah on October 12, 2005, at 7:34:54
In reply to Re: delegating out some of the tasks, posted by Dr. Bob on October 12, 2005, at 3:38:30
Posted by thuso on October 12, 2005, at 11:33:04
In reply to Re: delegating out some of the tasks, posted by Dr. Bob on October 12, 2005, at 3:38:30
> But I do also think it would be better if the boards weren't quite so dependent on me. I think there's something to be said for a more democratic system, plus I'm not going to be here forever...
>I think this is a good idea actually. We should start becoming more independent, but it should be done slowly. I'm sure it is going to be pretty hard on a lot of people who have been here for a long time.
Now when you talk about a more democratic system, do you mean where we as a group would ultimately decide the rules? Whoever the leaders are, they would take the general consensus of the group and between them create/enforce/make changes to the rules? I also hope that as this moves to a more democratic state that there will always be a specified "leader" running everything (even if it isn't you). Otherwise, I think it will end badly.
I'd be very interested to hear what your long term plan is for here in terms of eventually removing yourself completely.
Posted by JenStar on October 12, 2005, at 13:45:26
In reply to Re: delegating out some of the tasks, posted by Dr. Bob on October 12, 2005, at 3:38:30
Dr. Bob,
if you're not going to be here forever, does that mean you're planning on transferring ownership of Babble to another person? Do you have any backups in mind? By telling us this, are you sort of trying to prepare us for your departure & get us ready for the idea?Just Curious!
JenStar
Posted by Gabbix2 on October 12, 2005, at 17:31:14
In reply to Et tu? (nm) » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on October 12, 2005, at 7:34:54
I swear if you have to lose something that is not related to Katrina.. I'm going to spit nails.
(very carefully directed pointy nails)
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