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Posted by Dr. Bob on August 31, 2004, at 7:51:34
In reply to Re: i am confused..., posted by TomG on August 30, 2004, at 21:57:29
> let me be sure i understand you correctly: there are certain foods and vitamins i can take that will enhance my self-esteem? i am always interested in bettering myself, and if you can provide the appropriate references/etc. that bolsters your claim, i will be in your debt...
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> chemist> Chemist, please, you drip of sarcasm! You are far to anylitcal for your own good! It is difficult to function in the world for you I understand.
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> flmm> I wish I had a robot's voice coming out of my PC speakers to read the chemist's posts.
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> TomGPlease don't be sarcastic, jump to conclusions about others, or post anything that could lead them to feel accused or put down. I've asked you to be civil before, so now I'm going to block you from posting. For 4 weeks, 1 week, and 1 week.
Sharing something about your own issues and their possible role in your reaction might be an interesting exercise -- and might help others respond to you supportively.
If you or anyone else has questions about this or about posting policies in general, or is interested in alternative ways of expressing oneself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Sad Panda on August 31, 2004, at 8:22:25
In reply to Re: blocked from posting » chemist » flmm » TomG, posted by Dr. Bob on August 31, 2004, at 7:51:34
Dr Bob,
It appears that you have banned Chemist for 4 weeks?!? Why?
Cheers,
Panda.
> > let me be sure i understand you correctly: there are certain foods and vitamins i can take that will enhance my self-esteem? i am always interested in bettering myself, and if you can provide the appropriate references/etc. that bolsters your claim, i will be in your debt...
> >
> > chemist
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> > Chemist, please, you drip of sarcasm! You are far to anylitcal for your own good! It is difficult to function in the world for you I understand.
> >
> > flmm
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> > I wish I had a robot's voice coming out of my PC speakers to read the chemist's posts.
> >
> > TomG
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> Please don't be sarcastic, jump to conclusions about others, or post anything that could lead them to feel accused or put down. I've asked you to be civil before, so now I'm going to block you from posting. For 4 weeks, 1 week, and 1 week.
>
> Sharing something about your own issues and their possible role in your reaction might be an interesting exercise -- and might help others respond to you supportively.
>
> If you or anyone else has questions about this or about posting policies in general, or is interested in alternative ways of expressing oneself, please see the FAQ:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
Posted by AuntieMel on August 31, 2004, at 10:10:44
In reply to You're Joking I hope? » Dr. Bob, posted by Sad Panda on August 31, 2004, at 8:22:25
Let me see if I get this right. One post said:
>>>>>You are right oh great Chemist. Playing, no. Having fun yes! It will probably get me kicked off but you know what? It was worth it! You don't know squat! You should eat some food or vitamins or meds that will help you with your self esteem. You can still be the old, great chemist that you were. Maybe some people will even listen to you! Just not me, I have lost all respect for the great chemist and long for the old days, when I could trust what I heard. After your outburst, citing your outstanding credentials, I prefer to get my advice from someone with more confidence!
and the response by chemist was:
>>>>hello there, chemist here...let me be sure i understand you correctly: there are certain foods and vitamins i can take that will enhance my self-esteem? i am always interested in bettering myself, and if you can provide the appropriate references/etc. that bolsters your claim, i will be in your debt...all the best, chemist
And this gets a block??? All chemist was doing was responding to the part about food/vitamins/meds that could help increase his self esteem. Something that was mentioned in the post he was responding to - and he was much more polite, I might add.
Now, some might read a bit of sarcasm into chemist's post, but that would be subjective. If it was sarcastic, it was fairly subtle. And we know from the past that things often get read in ways that are not intended by the writer.
So, history has taught everyone here that grading on intent isn't possible. As hard as everyone argued, there were never any guidelines that would fit all cases. So, the moderator made the executive decision that it was the *words* that mattered, not the *intent*
And now the moderator has changed the rules without warning?? I am sure that this will get a rise out of all who want fairness.
Posted by gardenergirl on August 31, 2004, at 10:38:05
In reply to You're Joking I hope? - I agree!! Dr. Bob, posted by AuntieMel on August 31, 2004, at 10:10:44
Yes, he even said in a later post that he was honestly interested.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20040717/msgs/384539.html
gg
Posted by AuntieMel on August 31, 2004, at 11:01:26
In reply to Re: You're Joking I hope? - I agree!! Dr. Bob » AuntieMel, posted by gardenergirl on August 31, 2004, at 10:38:05
How would someone ever be comfortable with that if the rules keep changing?
Or did I miss something? Was there an announcement that intent now overrules words?
Posted by AuntieMel on August 31, 2004, at 11:02:26
In reply to And he's interested in deputies? » gardenergirl, posted by AuntieMel on August 31, 2004, at 11:01:26
Posted by Dinah on August 31, 2004, at 11:25:08
In reply to And he's interested in deputies? » gardenergirl, posted by AuntieMel on August 31, 2004, at 11:01:26
Well, to clarify that, deputy guidelines are more stringent than Dr. Bob's.
Deputies are only *allowed* to intervene in an escalating situation which is defined as an uncivil post and an uncivil reply or several uncivil posts by the same poster.
So deputies are rather constrained in what they can do at best. And a deputy would certainly have no obligation to make a call like the one on Chemist.
Posted by Dinah on August 31, 2004, at 11:28:31
In reply to Re: You're Joking I hope? - I agree!! Dr. Bob » AuntieMel, posted by gardenergirl on August 31, 2004, at 10:38:05
Unless you have evidence that Chemist was trying to be sarcastic, is it fair to make that assumption? Isn't it equally likely that he was doing his best to be civil under trying circumstances with no administrative assistance, and the awkwardness of trying to stick to the precise rules of the civility guidelines merely came across as sarcasm to you?
Perhaps a please rephrase?
Posted by AuntieMel on August 31, 2004, at 11:36:14
In reply to Re: blocked from posting » chemist » flmm » TomG, posted by Dr. Bob on August 31, 2004, at 7:51:34
<<<<<<<<< I've asked you to be civil before, so now I'm going to block you from posting. For 4 weeks, 1 week, and 1 week.
A new person that didn't know about the automatic doubling of punishment might come to the conclusion that what chemist did was 4 times more heinous than the others' actions.
Posted by alesta on August 31, 2004, at 12:41:29
In reply to And one more thing » Dr. Bob, posted by AuntieMel on August 31, 2004, at 11:36:14
oh, dr. bob, *please* don't block chemist for 4 weeks...i *beg* you...for my mental health...this was actually becoming a useful exercise in how to better communicate, but now will just become a source of anger. i wanted the effort i put into this thread to have a positive result for the future, not this...all i ever want to do is help people, and now, i fear, people are going to direct some of their anger at me for chemist being blocked. i am sinking into a deep depression as we speak...will you please let chemist come back??? i am not going to be able to come back here if he is blocked, and i feel like i help people here....please...this hurts me more than it does anyone else...please don't punish me...
Posted by alesta on August 31, 2004, at 12:55:13
In reply to dr. bob, please read :), posted by alesta on August 31, 2004, at 12:41:29
hi, again, dr. bob :),
chemist *is* the only one of the three that said he would abide when you said to be civil. :):):) and he did, while the other two didn't...i honestly think chemist is taking something positive from this, unlike the other two...please, dr. bob?:):) can he come back?:)
Posted by AuntieMel on August 31, 2004, at 13:15:44
In reply to dr. bob:), posted by alesta on August 31, 2004, at 12:55:13
I agree with all the nice things you said about chemist. But, please don't blame yourself. If chemist did no wrong (which I believe) it can't be your fault that he did wrong. Right?
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 31, 2004, at 13:20:50
In reply to dr. bob:), posted by alesta on August 31, 2004, at 12:55:13
> some might read a bit of sarcasm into chemist's post, but that would be subjective.
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> AuntieMel> Isn't it ... likely that he was doing his best to be civil under trying circumstances with no administrative assistance, and the awkwardness of trying to stick to the precise rules of the civility guidelines merely came across as sarcasm to you?
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> Dinah> chemist *is* the only one of the three that said he would abide when you said to be civil. :):):) and he did
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> alesta1. There were other comments later, including ones on this board.
2. A *lot* of this is subjective.
3. I didn't mean to imply he wasn't doing his best. I'm glad he's getting a lot of support, and I'm sorry I wasn't around.
4. What happened was unfortunate, but if possible, I'd like to try to focus on getting back on track and moving forward again.
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> A new person that didn't know about the automatic doubling of punishment might come to the conclusion that what chemist did was 4 times more heinous than the others' actions.
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> AuntieMelThat's true, maybe it would've been better also to have included a link to that section of the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
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> i wanted the effort i put into this thread to have a positive result for the future, not this...all i ever want to do is help people, and now, i fear, people are going to direct some of their anger at me for chemist being blocked... this hurts me more than it does anyone else...please don't punish me...
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> alestaThere may be positive results in the end. Including possibly less anger directed at others? I'm sorry you feel hurt, but I'm certainly not trying to punish you.
Bob
Posted by AuntieMel on August 31, 2004, at 13:24:36
In reply to Re: Ecstasy safely converted and prescribed?, posted by Larry Hoover on August 31, 2004, at 7:34:02
The uncivil three have been blocked. See admin for details.
Can we get together a march:
FREE CHEMIST, FREE CHEMIST, FREE CHEMIST, FREE CHEMIST, FREE CHEMIST, FREE CHEMIST, FREE CHEMIST, FREE CHEMIST, FREE CHEMIST, FREE CHEMIST
Posted by alesta on August 31, 2004, at 13:24:37
In reply to Re: Ecstasy safely converted and prescribed? » Dave001, posted by Larry Hoover on August 31, 2004, at 10:48:57
dr. bob,
it is *very important* that my last post on this topic be read, to further explain exactly where i'm coming from. please...what happened to it???? can you put it up? it was the one posted early this morning, at 5 am, after kara's...thank you :),
amy
Posted by Larry Hoover on August 31, 2004, at 13:24:37
In reply to dr. bob, please....what happened to my last post??, posted by alesta on August 31, 2004, at 12:02:57
> dr. bob,
> it is *very important* that my last post on this topic be read, to further explain exactly where i'm coming from. please...what happened to it???? can you put it up? it was the one posted early this morning, at 5 am, after kara's...
>
> thank you :),
> amyBob moved a section of this thread to admin. That gives each post a new URL. Is this the one you were looking for:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20040717/msgs/384570.htmlLar
Posted by alesta on August 31, 2004, at 13:24:38
In reply to Re: dr. bob, please....what happened to my last post?? » alesta, posted by Larry Hoover on August 31, 2004, at 12:09:02
Posted by alesta on August 31, 2004, at 13:37:03
In reply to Re: dr. bob:) » alesta, posted by AuntieMel on August 31, 2004, at 13:15:44
hi, autie mel,:)
thanks for trying to console me...i feel like i need a shoulder to cry on right now :(...i started a petition...i don't know if it'll help, but we can at least try, right?
Posted by alesta on August 31, 2004, at 13:52:54
In reply to Re: sarcasm, doubling, and positive results, posted by Dr. Bob on August 31, 2004, at 13:20:50
dr. bob, :)
if we get a certain amount of signatures on the petition will you consider letting chemist come back?
Posted by Larry Hoover on August 31, 2004, at 14:43:22
In reply to dr. bob....., posted by alesta on August 31, 2004, at 13:52:54
> dr. bob, :)
> if we get a certain amount of signatures on the petition will you consider letting chemist come back?Having been the center of such attention in the past, the short answer is no. Bob doesn't like things to come down to popularity contests.
If chemist wants his block reassessed, he needs to email Bob, and also make his case.
Lar
Posted by AuntieMel on August 31, 2004, at 17:18:10
In reply to Re: sarcasm, doubling, and positive results, posted by Dr. Bob on August 31, 2004, at 13:20:50
Back during the 'big fires debate' there were many here that wanted him sanctioned for what he was writing. This didn't happen, rightly IMO, because he hadn't broken any objective rules and intent was too subjective.
Now chemist gets blocked for a subjective ruling that he was being sarcastic. Nothing that can be pointed at that any realistic person would agree is accusitory, foul, mean, attacking or whatever.
All of this *after* he posted on admin wanting someone to nip the whole thing in the bud and no help was forthcoming.
Oy.
Posted by alesta on August 31, 2004, at 17:53:11
This is a petition to bring back chemist, who has been blocked for 4 weeks. All in favor of removing the block, please add your name...thank you.
amy
Posted by alesta on August 31, 2004, at 17:53:11
In reply to EVERYONE PLEASE SIGN THIS!!!, posted by alesta on August 31, 2004, at 13:29:58
Posted by becksA on August 31, 2004, at 17:53:12
I appreciate his knowledge, but he definnitly took it a step too far and seemed to always want to be the superior one....He came across as being somewhat childish at times in his demeanor, which was unfortunate, as he did add good insight most of the time....yet we do have many other posters that are also very knowledgable. I think we'll survive without him.
Posted by mike lynch on August 31, 2004, at 17:53:13
In reply to EVERYONE PLEASE SIGN THIS!!!, posted by alesta on August 31, 2004, at 13:29:58
> This is a petition to bring back chemist, who has been blocked for 4 weeks. All in favor of removing the block, please add your name...thank you.
>
> amycan someone please tell me WHY he was blocked>???????/ And then ill make a decision?? afterall that's probably the most important part..............
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