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Posted by NikkiT2 on October 24, 2003, at 8:31:51
On shortening the length of bans and allowing people to return to the boards early??
I know we have posters that are currently away on long bans - such as Lou Pilder and Zenhussy.. How would they be able to shorten the length of their ban??
I'm not meaning to be uncivil here, and I don't think I am being, but I think its something that you should make clear so that everyone understands, and that everyone has the same opportunity to reduce the length of their own bans.
Thankyou
Nikki
Posted by Larry Hoover on October 24, 2003, at 8:33:15
In reply to Could you post your policy.., posted by NikkiT2 on October 24, 2003, at 8:31:51
> On shortening the length of bans and allowing people to return to the boards early??
>
> I know we have posters that are currently away on long bans - such as Lou Pilder and Zenhussy.. How would they be able to shorten the length of their ban??
>
> I'm not meaning to be uncivil here, and I don't think I am being, but I think its something that you should make clear so that everyone understands, and that everyone has the same opportunity to reduce the length of their own bans.
>
> Thankyou
>
> NikkiNikki, who got to come back early? And how much earlier?
thanks,
Lar
Posted by NikkiT2 on October 24, 2003, at 9:17:57
In reply to Re: Could you post your policy.. » NikkiT2, posted by Larry Hoover on October 24, 2003, at 8:33:15
I'm not allowed to say I'm afraid, as fear that would be deemed uncivil.
Sorry
Nikki
Posted by Dinah on October 24, 2003, at 9:42:31
In reply to Re: Could you post your policy.. » NikkiT2, posted by Larry Hoover on October 24, 2003, at 8:33:15
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20031008/msgs/266887.html
Posted by Larry Hoover on October 24, 2003, at 9:49:46
In reply to Re: Could you post your policy.. » Larry Hoover, posted by Dinah on October 24, 2003, at 9:42:31
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20031008/msgs/266887.html
I don't know what to say. Other than goodbye.
Lar
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 24, 2003, at 10:11:13
In reply to Could you post your policy.., posted by NikkiT2 on October 24, 2003, at 8:31:51
> On shortening the length of bans and allowing people to return to the boards early??
Well, as I said before, I think that if someone's going to be supportive, there's something to be said for having them back sooner rather than later.
If anyone would like to suggest more specific criteria, I'm open to suggestions...
Bob
Posted by Dinah on October 24, 2003, at 10:19:12
In reply to Re: Could you post your policy.., posted by Larry Hoover on October 24, 2003, at 9:49:46
The board wouldn't be the same without you. And the board is not Dr. Bob.
I hope I misunderstood. The toll from this incident has been too high already. Please don't leave. Pleeeeeaaase!!!!
Posted by fallsfall on October 24, 2003, at 10:23:19
In reply to Re: Could you post your policy.., posted by Dr. Bob on October 24, 2003, at 10:11:13
A rule is a rule. Either you stick to it or it means nothing.
It would be impossible for you to determine who will and will not be supportive. So that criteria can't be used.
Please remain consistent. It drives us crazy sometimes, but I think it is vitally important.
Posted by Dinah on October 24, 2003, at 10:43:22
In reply to Re: Could you post your policy.., posted by Dr. Bob on October 24, 2003, at 10:11:13
Either bend the rules for all, bend the rules for none, or create specific criteria for eligibility for parole and include it in your blocking notice.
Also let the board know when you are reducing a block. If the block is public, the unblock should be as well.
And who are you to determine that Gal, for example, would make a positive contribution to the board, while Gabbi, for example, won't? Maybe if you're going to do it, you should put it up for public comment to get the actual board participants' judgement rather than your own.
Posted by NikkiT2 on October 24, 2003, at 11:28:46
In reply to Re: Could you post your policy.. » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on October 24, 2003, at 10:43:22
Very very well said.
I'm not in a place I could have said it as well as you did.
Its either a rule or is not. People either live out their block, or they don't. If one person can be let back early, the others should have the same chance too.
Will Dr Bob be emailing Gabbi, Zenhussy, Lou etc and giving them a chance??
And thanks for finding the link.. I was too busy standing in my road watching the last ever 3 concordes doing a fly past.. was awesome!!
Nikki
Posted by Susan J on October 24, 2003, at 11:37:59
In reply to Re: Could you post your policy.. » Dinah, posted by NikkiT2 on October 24, 2003, at 11:28:46
Posted by Dinah on October 24, 2003, at 19:44:18
In reply to Re: Could you post your policy.. » Dinah, posted by NikkiT2 on October 24, 2003, at 11:28:46
I think I did remember that the Concordes were no longer going to be used. Is that right? What a shame.
I'm hurt on behalf of those posters who Dr. Bob didn't decrease the blocks on, especially my good friend Gabbi who did request a shortening of her block after that one incident where a poster posed as her. What are they to think after the explanation he just gave Larry? I can't think I'd feel anything but put down by Dr. Bob under the circumstances.
I mean, he said "Well, as I said before, I think that if someone's going to be supportive, there's something to be said for having them back sooner rather than later."
And then knowing that Dr. Bob declined to have you back sooner rather than later? I think Dr. Bob needs to do a please rephrase that to Gabbi, Zenhussy, Zo, Lou, and a host of others.
Posted by justyourlaugh on October 24, 2003, at 22:47:21
In reply to Re: Could you post your policy.. » NikkiT2, posted by Dinah on October 24, 2003, at 19:44:18
i just cant understand why some of us get away with "it"
while others have great self worth and true to them selves..and will not be shamed into " trolling"...
i think if i really needed this board and couldnt have it...( many of us are not butterflies)..
it may drive me over that "dark area" where i try frantically to avoid..
j
Posted by Emme on October 24, 2003, at 22:51:52
In reply to Re: Could you post your policy.., posted by Larry Hoover on October 24, 2003, at 9:49:46
Posted by Dinah on October 24, 2003, at 23:22:18
In reply to Re: Could you post your policy.. » NikkiT2, posted by Dinah on October 24, 2003, at 19:44:18
Dr. Bob, I of all people really am grateful to you for your willingness to give second chances and to forget what is past. I think that is a wonderful quality. And I have a lot to be grateful to you for.
I just wanted to add that to my prior post about inconsistency in blocking revocation policies and how it might be interpreted.
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 25, 2003, at 0:35:02
In reply to Re: Could you post your policy.. » NikkiT2, posted by Dinah on October 24, 2003, at 19:44:18
> A rule is a rule. Either you stick to it or it means nothing.
There shouldn't ever be exceptions?
> It would be impossible for you to determine who will and will not be supportive. So that criteria can't be used.
Of course I can't predict the future. But the proof of the pudding is in the eating...
> Please remain consistent. It drives us crazy sometimes, but I think it is vitally important.
>
> fallsfallI'm trying...
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> create specific criteria for eligibility for parole and include it in your blocking notice.
Parole is a good analogy. If anyone would like to suggest more specific criteria, I'm open to suggestions...
> Also let the board know when you are reducing a block. If the block is public, the unblock should be as well.
>
> DinahThat's a good point, I'll do that in the future, thanks.
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> Will Dr Bob be emailing Gabbi, Zenhussy, Lou etc and giving them a chance??
>
> NikkiAre you thinking I emailed KrissyP to give her a chance?
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> I'm hurt on behalf of those posters who Dr. Bob didn't decrease the blocks on
>
> DinahI'm sorry if the way I handled this, or handle things in general, has led people to feel unvalued. Or treated unfairly. Or disregarded. Or unprotected.
Bob
Posted by galkeepinon on October 25, 2003, at 1:10:47
In reply to Re: Could you post your policy.., posted by Dr. Bob on October 25, 2003, at 0:35:02
>>>>Are you thinking I emailed KrissyP to give her a chance?
Nope, actually, *I* emailed Bob and he said welcome back, and I made it *my* choice (with his best wishes) if I wanted to start posting again. I told him I was just going to read posts for a while and MAYBE start posting again.
And nope, Bob had nothing to do with the *horrible crime* of me coming clean.
Right Bob?
Maybe it would help the people who are accusing me of posting under more than one name, if you could re-assure them that I'm not. Or maybe not...
It's up to you.>>>>I'm sorry if the way I handled this, or handle things in general, has led people to feel unvalued. Or treated unfairly. Or disregarded. Or unprotected.
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> Bob*Bob, you're only human, you're not perfect and the folks who understand that concept won't make it a big deal, even though a big deal has been made already...There are so many posters that really need help here, need to be cared about too, myself included. (That hasn't been the case las of late)
Bob, you are a very civil, and considerate human being and I thank you for offering this board to us who suffer from the hardships of life and are trying to find support, guidance, experience, and hope. it really helps:-)
ThanksBest wishes to us all...
Posted by Larry Hoover on October 25, 2003, at 7:27:51
In reply to Re: Say it ain't so!! » Larry Hoover, posted by Dinah on October 24, 2003, at 10:19:12
> The board wouldn't be the same without you. And the board is not Dr. Bob.
>
> I hope I misunderstood. The toll from this incident has been too high already. Please don't leave. Pleeeeeaaase!!!!I appreciate the support. I was ready to walk away, but Bob just posted a message that gave me hope. I will conditionally remain a Babbler.
It was close, but messages like yours helped tip the balance. I was so angry, had I posted I would have been banned for life. The anger is less prominent now, but there are issues yet to settle.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on October 25, 2003, at 7:28:37
In reply to Nooooo.....don't go!!! (nm) » Larry Hoover, posted by Emme on October 24, 2003, at 22:51:52
Posted by Dinah on October 25, 2003, at 8:16:55
In reply to Re: Say it ain't so!! » Dinah, posted by Larry Hoover on October 25, 2003, at 7:27:51
Posted by Dinah on October 25, 2003, at 8:56:47
In reply to Re: Could you post your policy.., posted by Dr. Bob on October 25, 2003, at 0:35:02
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> I'm sorry if the way I handled this, or handle things in general, has led people to feel unvalued. Or treated unfairly. Or disregarded. Or unprotected.
>
> BobWell, just as an exercise, imagine that you are a blocked poster like Gabbi or Zenhussy or Lou or Zo. You perhaps have written Dr. Bob and asked for your block time to be reduced, to no avail. Then you read Dr. Bob saying
"Well, as I said before, I think that if someone's going to be supportive, there's something to be said for having them back sooner rather than later."
And realize that he didn't decrease your block time. And won't no matter how many times you email him.
How would you feel?
How would you feel as a friend of the blocked poster?
I just think you need to rephrase that sentence, or apologize or something.
Posted by Dinah on October 25, 2003, at 8:57:16
In reply to Re: Could you post your policy.., posted by Dinah on October 25, 2003, at 8:56:47
Posted by Dinah on October 25, 2003, at 9:06:16
In reply to Re: Could you post your policy.., posted by Dinah on October 25, 2003, at 8:56:47
I realize you made a global apology for your poor handling of this affair, which I do appreciate.
BTW, I have no particular suggestions to ask for parole. I've never been overly fond of the concept except in the original sense of the word. Back in the old days, if you stood parole for someone you were guaranteeing their behavior to the point that you were willing to suffer their punishment should they break their agreement. So if you stood parole for someone who promised not to attack the king, and he attacked the king, you would be treated as someone guilty of treason. It kept the person paroled on their honor because of their loyalty to those who stood parole. And it made people awfully careful of who they offered to parole.
In general, I'm more in favor of you reviewing your sentences for reaonableness, and if you conclude that they were in fact reasonable, sticking to them.
But that's just me. Perhaps someone else has some ideas.
Posted by NikkiT2 on October 25, 2003, at 9:21:07
In reply to Re: Could you post your policy.., posted by Dr. Bob on October 25, 2003, at 0:35:02
> Will Dr Bob be emailing Gabbi, Zenhussy, Lou etc and giving them a chance??
>
> NikkiAre you thinking I emailed KrissyP to give her a chance?
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Oh no.. I never thought you'd emailed anyone and offered them a chance. But as this seems a change of policy, surely it would be corteous to email those already on block and let them know of this, and give them a chance for a shortening of their block. I guess the majority of people, while on a block, don't check the site, and so wouldn't know of this change of heart of yours. If they don't know that by emailing you with apologies that they could be allowed bakc earlier, they aren't going to do it. I think everyone believed that a block was a block, and you simply had to ride that time out.
Nikki
Posted by NikkiT2 on October 25, 2003, at 9:21:58
In reply to Re: Say it ain't so!! » Dinah, posted by Larry Hoover on October 25, 2003, at 7:27:51
I also want to ask you to say.. Your posts are so interesting to read, and often give an extra pause for thought.
Nikki x
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