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Posted by Pat Cho on July 16, 2001, at 23:45:32
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20010714/msgs/70358.html
This is not the first time a person has posted on this site a long list of electronic journals with user names and passwords. In some cases publication of user names with passwords can be a crime. If the passwords were issued to SA4M, then their publication might be a civilly or criminally actionable violation of user agreements with the listed publications. If the user names are those of somebody else, then the post seems to be a case of identity theft, which violates federal laws and the laws of whatever state where the post was made.
There have also been repeated postings on this site of copyrighted materials. Perhaps there needs to be a notice in the FAQ encouraging users to recognize the property rights of other publications.
While SA4M apparently meant well by posting this information, it puts the site at risk. Somebody will notify the listed journals that their security has been breached and they might decide to take action against dr-bob.org.
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Posted by Willow on July 16, 2001, at 23:59:36
In reply to Intellectual property rights, posted by Pat Cho on July 16, 2001, at 23:45:32
I am truly concerned about SalArmy4me! Does anyone live near him? Or know him personally? Or is this the price we pay for socializing through the net?
Willow
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 17, 2001, at 2:06:04
In reply to Intellectual property rights, posted by Pat Cho on July 16, 2001, at 23:45:32
> This is not the first time...
I appreciate your letting me know about potential problems, but please stay blocked and do so in the future by email. Thanks,
Bob
Posted by whatever on July 17, 2001, at 2:55:51
In reply to Re: Intellectual property rights, posted by Dr. Bob on July 17, 2001, at 2:06:04
> I appreciate your letting me know
Robert H,
Yeh, right. In this circumstance, the message was intended for people who might get in legal trouble as a result of a situation you created. It was not directed to you. It was to protect people from you.
Posted by AKC on July 17, 2001, at 6:49:04
In reply to Intellectual property rights, posted by Pat Cho on July 16, 2001, at 23:45:32
> I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it... --Jacobellis v. Ohio, 378 U.S. 184, Justice Potter Stewart, 1964
I find it quite amusing that this person has used a quote from a supreme court case where the justice is defining obscenity. I would love to see a thread develop as to the psychological reasoning why this person would think that quote fits in this situation! As anyone knows, I am not a big SalArmy4me fan - but he is nowhere in my mind obscene - agressive in his trying to help, maybe, but not obscene . . . now the attempts of the person making this quote . . . oops, don't want to call anyone a name . . . so I won't go there . . .
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 17, 2001, at 8:39:45
In reply to Re: The Quote!, posted by AKC on July 17, 2001, at 6:49:04
> I find it quite amusing that this person has used a quote from a supreme court case where the justice is defining obscenity. I would love to see a thread develop as to the psychological reasoning why this person would think that quote fits in this situation!
I assume it was taken from the FAQ, where I apply it to civility:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
As far as psychological reasoning, I agree, let's not go there.
Bob
Posted by stjames on July 17, 2001, at 18:19:03
In reply to Intellectual property rights, posted by Pat Cho on July 16, 2001, at 23:45:32
While, yes it is wrong to give out passwords, but given that anyone who wants to see these sites just has to register and get a password to see them. No money involved. One step away from public access. I question calling this a violation of "Intellectual property rights"
James
Posted by Chen on July 17, 2001, at 21:28:21
In reply to Re: Intellectual property rights, posted by stjames on July 17, 2001, at 18:19:03
> anyone who wants to see these sites just has to register and get a password to see them. No money involved. One step away from public access. I question calling this a violation of "Intellectual property rights"
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Some of the listed journals offer free trial subscriptions, but the extensive list of costly usernames and passwords posted seemed to suggest it originated at a well-funded institution. Many of the usernames included the words "logan" and "library", suggesting the information might have originated from the Quad-L (Logan) Library in the Department of Psychology at the University of New Mexico. One of the usernames posted was that of a long-time and regular contributor to the Psycho-Babble boards.
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Posted by stjames on July 17, 2001, at 23:58:40
In reply to Re: Intellectual property rights, posted by Chen on July 17, 2001, at 21:28:21
Opps ! I thought this was on of Sals repetes, clearly this violates copyright and falls clearly into the classification of "Intellectual property".
james
Posted by Cam W. on July 18, 2001, at 10:27:20
In reply to Re: Intellectual property rights, posted by stjames on July 17, 2001, at 23:58:40
James - So, can we use the passwords or not? And, should I use someone else's computer at work if I do? - Cam ;^)
Posted by stjames on July 18, 2001, at 13:04:25
In reply to Re: Intellectual property rights » stjames, posted by Cam W. on July 18, 2001, at 10:27:20
> James - So, can we use the passwords or not? And, should I use someone else's computer at work if I do? - Cam ;^)
james here....It's more of a moral question. Short answer is if you use them, you would be stealing. You have to deside this based on your ethical standards.
Should you use someones elses computer ? Only if you don't like them ! Better to use a computer that lots of people use.
In truth I think no one will notice.
James
Posted by stjames on July 18, 2001, at 14:43:06
In reply to Re: Intellectual property rights » stjames, posted by Cam W. on July 18, 2001, at 10:27:20
> James - So, can we use the passwords or not? And, should I use someone else's computer at work if I do? - Cam ;^)
Cam....
Could you e-mail me please, a crash took out my address book and the backup was too old to have your in it.
James
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