![[dr. bob]](/dr-bob-sm.gif)
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.orgShown: posts 42 to 66 of 95. Go back in thread:
Posted by Deputy Dinah on December 22, 2008, at 14:57:13
In reply to Re: Lou's request for a redaction and exception-gudfr, posted by Dena on December 22, 2008, at 1:26:16
> Rules have been created just to censor him, just to limit him.
> Is this some sort of bizzare experiment, designed to provoke others into insanity?
Please don't jump to conclusions or post anything that could lead others, including Dr. Bob and the deputies, to feel accused or put down.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.
Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Posted by Dena on December 22, 2008, at 21:51:18
In reply to Please be civil » Dena, posted by Deputy Dinah on December 22, 2008, at 14:57:13
> > Rules have been created just to censor him, just to limit him.
>
> > Is this some sort of bizzare experiment, designed to provoke others into insanity?
>
> Please don't jump to conclusions or post anything that could lead others, including Dr. Bob and the deputies, to feel accused or put down.
>
> If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
>
> Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.
>
> Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
>
So - the one who points out the problem *becomes* the problem...?Reprimanding, censoring, or even banishing me, would not solve the problem, when the probelm is inherent with the system.
Shalom, Dena
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 23, 2008, at 9:38:06
In reply to Lou's request for a redaction and exception-gudfr, posted by Lou Pilder on December 19, 2008, at 16:27:37
> > > The "others" is the original poster whose post was being described.
> >
> > Dinah,
> > You wrote,[...the "others" is the original poster...]
> > I am unsure then as to what your rationale could be to think that the original poster whose post was being identified by Bayleaf in relation to Jews was of the nature as to cause the original poster to feel put down.
> > This is because there are generally accepted meanings of what constitutes a statement that could lead someone to feel put down. And could it not be that the original poster wound need to be contacted to ask particular questions as to how the statement was perceived by him to make a determinationn as to if the statement by Bayleaf does or does not lead him to feel put down? If you could identify the rationale of what constitutes someone to feel put down that you used here to state that the original poster could feel put down by what Bayleaf posted, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> > Lou
>
> Mr. Hsiung and his deputies,
> I am requesting that the sanction to Bayleaf for what IMO that there is the potential for a Jew to consider to be a statement by her to be standing up for Jews here. I am requesting that the sanction to her to please be civil be redacted until a member of the administration posts here their criteria used to write here that Bayleaf's post could lead the original poster to feel put down.
> I am also requesting that I be allowed to post more than 3 consecutive posts here to respond to the administration sanctioning IMO a statement that comes to the aid of Jews here and writing that Bayleaf's statement could lead the original poster to feel put down until the administration posts their criteria used to support such. And if they do post a criteria, then my posts could be redacted and then I could have the opportunity to then respond to the criteria that they post if they do post such. I think that the exception to allow me to post more than 3 consecutive post here could be good for the communty as a whole.
> Lou PilderMr. Hsiung and his deputies and members,
Now the aspect of {jumping to a conclusion} is posted here. But what is {jumping} in relation to discussion?
One of the generally accepted meanings of {to jump to a conclusion} is that the statement could be seen as being made with inadaquate premises or limited evidence to substantiate what is written as to be fact or not fact. This then means that an investigation could be made to determine if or if not there is adaquate evidence to make a conclusion or not to make a conclusion.
Another way that grammatical statements could be deemed as being {jumping to a conclusion} is as to if there was a short time used to make the conclusion, sometimes referred to as a {hasty generalization}. But has there been a short time or a long period of ongoing aspects here posted related to the statement that the conclusion was {jumped to} or not? That could be investigated also to make that determination, for the archives could shed light on that.
Then there becomes the aspect that the statement in question referrs to {rules made} here. Those rules made here could be seen and then determined as to if they are made or not made in regards to the conclusion as being jumped to or not if there could be seen, or not seen, what is in question here.
Here is a link to a post that makes a rule (citation pstopem 13). I ask for interested members here that are considering to post in this thread to consider the following in your mind in making any post here because I think to consider the issues could enhance the outlook that one may have in composing their post:
A. Who is the rule made to?
B. What does the rule, in your opinion if you have one, intend to accomplish?
C. Is the rule in the FAQ?
D. Can you see another post here where another member posts a link of the nature in question without sanction?
Lou
(citation pstopem 13)
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20060802/msgs/678294.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 24, 2008, at 15:20:53
In reply to Lou's request for a redaction and exception-mkjgr, posted by Lou Pilder on December 23, 2008, at 9:38:06
> > > > The "others" is the original poster whose post was being described.
> > >
> > > Dinah,
> > > You wrote,[...the "others" is the original poster...]
> > > I am unsure then as to what your rationale could be to think that the original poster whose post was being identified by Bayleaf in relation to Jews was of the nature as to cause the original poster to feel put down.
> > > This is because there are generally accepted meanings of what constitutes a statement that could lead someone to feel put down. And could it not be that the original poster wound need to be contacted to ask particular questions as to how the statement was perceived by him to make a determinationn as to if the statement by Bayleaf does or does not lead him to feel put down? If you could identify the rationale of what constitutes someone to feel put down that you used here to state that the original poster could feel put down by what Bayleaf posted, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> > > Lou
> >
> > Mr. Hsiung and his deputies,
> > I am requesting that the sanction to Bayleaf for what IMO that there is the potential for a Jew to consider to be a statement by her to be standing up for Jews here. I am requesting that the sanction to her to please be civil be redacted until a member of the administration posts here their criteria used to write here that Bayleaf's post could lead the original poster to feel put down.
> > I am also requesting that I be allowed to post more than 3 consecutive posts here to respond to the administration sanctioning IMO a statement that comes to the aid of Jews here and writing that Bayleaf's statement could lead the original poster to feel put down until the administration posts their criteria used to support such. And if they do post a criteria, then my posts could be redacted and then I could have the opportunity to then respond to the criteria that they post if they do post such. I think that the exception to allow me to post more than 3 consecutive post here could be good for the communty as a whole.
> > Lou Pilder
>
> Mr. Hsiung and his deputies and members,
> Now the aspect of {jumping to a conclusion} is posted here. But what is {jumping} in relation to discussion?
> One of the generally accepted meanings of {to jump to a conclusion} is that the statement could be seen as being made with inadaquate premises or limited evidence to substantiate what is written as to be fact or not fact. This then means that an investigation could be made to determine if or if not there is adaquate evidence to make a conclusion or not to make a conclusion.
> Another way that grammatical statements could be deemed as being {jumping to a conclusion} is as to if there was a short time used to make the conclusion, sometimes referred to as a {hasty generalization}. But has there been a short time or a long period of ongoing aspects here posted related to the statement that the conclusion was {jumped to} or not? That could be investigated also to make that determination, for the archives could shed light on that.
> Then there becomes the aspect that the statement in question referrs to {rules made} here. Those rules made here could be seen and then determined as to if they are made or not made in regards to the conclusion as being jumped to or not if there could be seen, or not seen, what is in question here.
> Here is a link to a post that makes a rule (citation pstopem 13). I ask for interested members here that are considering to post in this thread to consider the following in your mind in making any post here because I think to consider the issues could enhance the outlook that one may have in composing their post:
> A. Who is the rule made to?
> B. What does the rule, in your opinion if you have one, intend to accomplish?
> C. Is the rule in the FAQ?
> D. Can you see another post here where another member posts a link of the nature in question without sanction?
> Lou
> (citation pstopem 13)
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20060802/msgs/678294.htmlFriends,
It is now stated here that a member has jumped to a conclusion. I would like for you to make that determination on your own as to if the member that that is written to has or has not jumped to a conclusion.
You see, rules can be made toward a group of people or to one person of a group, but there are other ways to have rules made to one person or a group. One way is to make a rule and allow others than the one in question to be allowed to break the rule without sanction, or to make an exception for them by not applying the rule to them.
Here is a link to a post that brings up a thread. I have heard that kind of talk before but I never thought that I would hear it here. I ask those to consider what you read if you are going to post in this thread or parallel threads, for I think that if you do, you could have a better understanding of what it means here to jump or to not jump to a conclusion.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/429282.html
Posted by Sigismund on December 25, 2008, at 17:42:55
In reply to Lou's request for a redaction and exception-ptdk, posted by Lou Pilder on December 24, 2008, at 15:20:53
I'm not sure how you are meant to get to a conclusion, if you are not supposed to jump.
March toward it?
Sneak up on it?
Posted by Dena on December 25, 2008, at 19:56:11
In reply to Please be civil » Dena, posted by Deputy Dinah on December 22, 2008, at 14:57:13
> > Rules have been created just to censor him, just to limit him.
>
> > Is this some sort of bizzare experiment, designed to provoke others into insanity?
>
> Please don't jump to conclusions or post anything that could lead others, including Dr. Bob and the deputies, to feel accused or put down.
>
> If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
>
> Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.
>
> Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
>
What's the difference between jumping to a conslusion, and pointing out an observable problem? I have seen, firsthand (along with anyone else who's bothering to pay attention), how Lou is censored in ways that others are allowed to post. I have seen, firsthand, how his patient pleas for equity are ignored. This is no conclusion I've jumped to... and since every rational explanation for why this continues has been ruled out, I have no choice but to assume that something beyond-odd is going on here.Why is it that it seems whenever one of us points out a problem we get the "please be civil" diversion? Why is the real issue swept under the proverbial rug, while a petty side-issue is hyper-focused on? Clever tactic, if it weren't so poorly over-used. Obviously when someone here points out a problem, that someone *becomes* a problem. And the original, and real, problem, continues to fester.
Also -- when and how can one expect a notification to be responded to? Is it one of the rules that notificaions are to be ignored?
I can't keep up with the rules, nor the way in which they are applied to some, but not to others.
And, why is it that we're told to notify Dr. Bob via email, if he's no longer interested in overseeing this community? Honestly, what good would that do?
Why do we have it continuing in his name, and why do we buoy up his rules, if he doesn't participate here?
And why do I think none of my questions will be answered...?
Shalom, Dena
Posted by Sigismund on December 26, 2008, at 15:55:04
In reply to Re: Please be civil, posted by Dena on December 25, 2008, at 19:56:11
The first of your statements
>Rules have been created just to censor him, just to limit him
was right, wasn't it?Although, as has been said, perhaps there were reasons (multiple posts!) for this.
Speaking personally, I wish Lou would just post about his beliefs and revelation.
For me they have always been a highlight.Antisemitism is unwelcome here. The claims of Christianity can sometimes be antisemitic.
This is part of our history and I don't see what can be done about it.
Posted by Bobby on December 26, 2008, at 23:12:49
In reply to Re: Please be civil » Dena, posted by Sigismund on December 26, 2008, at 15:55:04
My father has been a Christian minister for over 40 years---and I can't comprehend how Christians can be antisemitic. I was always taught the opposite. For example, Genesis chapter 12 verse 3 says--concerning God's covenant with the Jewish people, "And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in the shall all families of the earth be blessed." Again in Isaiah chapter 60 verse 12 it says, "for the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted." According to the Bible, God has a unique covenant with the Jews. For a more in depth read on that covenant--I think that Romans chapters 9-11 covers the basics. Now--before anyone jumps to agree or disagree---I'm just quoting the Bible. some believe--some don't. I'm merely stating one view out of many. I have read some of Lou's posts on the Faith board and part of what he states can be found in the Bible. I can't judge people for what they beleive has been revealed to them by God. People throughout history have done or said some very controversial things--such as Abraham preparing to sacrifice his only son or Isaiah preaching naked--pretty radical by any standards. So I certainly can't judge what Lou believes.As far as his belief concerning antisemitism here--I honestly don't know --as I'm not good at discerning the thoughts of others. my wife says I'm clueless on picking up stuff like that. I would hope, with all of my heart and soul, that that is not the case--but the Jews are sensitive to antisemitism on a level that , I believe, cannot be duplicated by Gentiles. It is the duty of every man, woman, and child to be acutely aware of the atrocities commited against them --and to be ever vigilant in stopping unspeakable crimes --that start out as only thoughts. I am not a holier than thou radical conservative and I count my friends across a very broad area--as long as you're not causing harm to others--live your life as you darn well please --I don't have to answer for your deeds and thus have no right to live your life for you---I'm too busy with mine. This whole subject has totally and completely exhausted me. However, I'm sure we've all heard of people being assaulted and killed in front of bystanders who did nothing but watch--not wanting to get involved. This will be my last post concerning this area of discussion--as I am spent.This message is directed towards no person here--and is not intended to be malicious in any way. I'll leave with this(Ephesians 6:12), "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world,against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Posted by Dena on December 26, 2008, at 23:40:29
In reply to Antisemitism in Christianity, posted by Bobby on December 26, 2008, at 23:12:49
I *like* your good heart, Bobby -- I hear God in your words.
I'm a follower of Jesus (don't call myself a Christian anymore, for a variety of reasons, mainly because I believe it's a manmade religion, and I'm more interested in a relationship with God outside of the artificial restraints of religion).
My husband is Jewish, and also a follower of Jesus (I don't mean offense by using that name -- He goes by many names, Y'shua, Yeshua, Yashua, Isa, Messiah, Savior, Anointed One, etc.).
I do have to say this though, Bobby, and though it grieves me, I must say that Christianity has indeed been quite antiSemitic through the centuries. The atrocities done "in the name of Christ" are legion: killing of "heretics", slaughtering and raping of thousands in the Crusades (both Jews and Muslims), the Inquisition, buring of "witches" for centuries, persecution of the Jews, the Holocaust.
All one has to do is read some of Luther's or Calvin's writings, to see how antiSemitic they were.
It continues to this day, albeit perhaps more subtley, with "replacement theology".
Likely you haven't seen it because your heart is good, and it sounds as though you want to see the best in others. I do too, but after being on the receiving end of being declared a "Jezebel" myself, I did a lot of peering into the history of Christianity -- and what I found was beyond unsavory (such as doctrine being decided by the point of the sword, rather than by the Holy Spirit).
Man's inhumanity to man, evil that comes out of the heart of man, is all too prevalent in the pages of Christian history.
Methinks Jesus wants His reputation back...!
Shalom, Dena
"The unanswered questions aren't nearly as dangerous as the unquestioned answers."
Posted by Sigismund on December 27, 2008, at 1:42:43
In reply to Antisemitism in Christianity, posted by Bobby on December 26, 2008, at 23:12:49
>and I can't comprehend how Christians can be antisemitic.
They aren't now (in the US certainly), but they were sometimes in Europe in the past.
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 27, 2008, at 9:34:35
In reply to Re: Please be civil, posted by Dena on December 25, 2008, at 19:56:11
> > > Rules have been created just to censor him, just to limit him.
> >
> > > Is this some sort of bizzare experiment, designed to provoke others into insanity?
> >
> > Please don't jump to conclusions or post anything that could lead others, including Dr. Bob and the deputies, to feel accused or put down.
> >
> > If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> >
> > Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.
> >
> > Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
> >
>
>
> What's the difference between jumping to a conslusion, and pointing out an observable problem? I have seen, firsthand (along with anyone else who's bothering to pay attention), how Lou is censored in ways that others are allowed to post. I have seen, firsthand, how his patient pleas for equity are ignored. This is no conclusion I've jumped to... and since every rational explanation for why this continues has been ruled out, I have no choice but to assume that something beyond-odd is going on here.
>
> Why is it that it seems whenever one of us points out a problem we get the "please be civil" diversion? Why is the real issue swept under the proverbial rug, while a petty side-issue is hyper-focused on? Clever tactic, if it weren't so poorly over-used. Obviously when someone here points out a problem, that someone *becomes* a problem. And the original, and real, problem, continues to fester.
>
> Also -- when and how can one expect a notification to be responded to? Is it one of the rules that notificaions are to be ignored?
>
> I can't keep up with the rules, nor the way in which they are applied to some, but not to others.
>
> And, why is it that we're told to notify Dr. Bob via email, if he's no longer interested in overseeing this community? Honestly, what good would that do?
>
> Why do we have it continuing in his name, and why do we buoy up his rules, if he doesn't participate here?
>
> And why do I think none of my questions will be answered...?
>
> Shalom, DenaDena,
You wrote,[...when... can one expect a notification to be responded to?...].
I am unsure if you do or not not have a notification that has not been responded to. If you have an outstanding notification, could you post here, without posting the URL or giving any infomation as to who the author is, if the notification:
A. has to do with the subject in this thread?
B. If so, without posting the URL, in your opinion, if the notification was responded to, could any response be relevant to the aspects in this thread?
C. If so, in your opiniion, does a significant time lag from the time that you notified the administration and the amount of time between a reply, have a factor in members thinking that it is good for the community as a whole for the time lag to exist?
D. If it is Mr. Hsiung's philosophy that acting before a forest fire is part of his TOS here, what in your opinion could members here conclude if they knew what the post was? In other words, in your opinion, could there be a spread of what is in the notification because it remains outstanding for a significant time lag? If so, how, in your opinion, could that be good for the community as a whole or not good for the community as a whole?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 27, 2008, at 9:47:47
In reply to Re: Please be civil » Dena, posted by Sigismund on December 26, 2008, at 15:55:04
> The first of your statements
> >Rules have been created just to censor him, just to limit him
> was right, wasn't it?
>
> Although, as has been said, perhaps there were reasons (multiple posts!) for this.
>
> Speaking personally, I wish Lou would just post about his beliefs and revelation.
> For me they have always been a highlight.
>
> Antisemitism is unwelcome here. The claims of Christianity can sometimes be antisemitic.
> This is part of our history and I don't see what can be done about it.Sigismund,
You wrote,[...I don't see what can be done...]
The election of Barak Obama I consider to be a triumph over racism and antisemitism. I like what Al Jolson said.
Lou
Posted by Dena on December 27, 2008, at 17:30:58
In reply to Lou's response to aspects-dlbihndhph? » Dena, posted by Lou Pilder on December 27, 2008, at 9:34:35
Dena,
> You wrote,[...when... can one expect a notification to be responded to?...].
> I am unsure if you do or not not have a notification that has not been responded to. If you have an outstanding notification, could you post here, without posting the URL or giving any infomation as to who the author is, if the notification:
> A. has to do with the subject in this thread?
Dena: Yes, it does have to do with teh subject in this thread.
> B. If so, without posting the URL, in your opinion, if the notification was responded to, could any response be relevant to the aspects in this thread?Dena: Yes, it is relevant.
> C. If so, in your opiniion, does a significant time lag from the time that you notified the administration and the amount of time between a reply, have a factor in members thinking that it is good for the community as a whole for the time lag to exist?
Dena: It's been several days, and I've had no response. I do not believe that the time lag is good for the community -- why have a notification system if it's a moot point to use it?
> D. If it is Mr. Hsiung's philosophy that acting before a forest fire is part of his TOS here, what in your opinion could members here conclude if they knew what the post was? In other words, in your opinion, could there be a spread of what is in the notification because it remains outstanding for a significant time lag? If so, how, in your opinion, could that be good for the community as a whole or not good for the community as a whole?
Dena: The notification was for antiSemitism, that occurred a while ago, and which was allowed, and which is continuing to be allowed, setting a precedence for others to do the same sort of thing. The atmostphere is thus conducive for more antiSemitism. It was, admittedly, a subtle antiSemitic message, but that's always how such things start, and when allowed to remain, unreprimanded, it grows, for that's the very nature of genophobia. If we don't learn from history, we're doomed to repeat it. When we say it's not happening, we foster it to continue to happen.Shalom, Dena
Posted by Sigismund on December 27, 2008, at 18:19:22
In reply to Lou's response to aspects-uaintpsein » Sigismund, posted by Lou Pilder on December 27, 2008, at 9:47:47
>I like what Al Jolson said.
What did Al Jolson say, Lou?
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 27, 2008, at 21:19:38
In reply to Re: Lou's response to aspects-uaintpsein » Lou Pilder, posted by Sigismund on December 27, 2008, at 18:19:22
> >I like what Al Jolson said.
>
> What did Al Jolson say, Lou?Sigismund,
He said,
Lou
http://personaleyeview.blogspot.com/2005/11/you-aint-seen-nothing-yet.html
Then;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-WZRUIFHjo&feature=related
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 27, 2008, at 21:28:11
In reply to Lou's reply to Sigismund-jzsngr, posted by Lou Pilder on December 27, 2008, at 21:19:38
> > >I like what Al Jolson said.
> >
> > What did Al Jolson say, Lou?
>
> Sigismund,
> He said,
> Lou
> http://personaleyeview.blogspot.com/2005/11/you-aint-seen-nothing-yet.html
> Then;
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-WZRUIFHjo&feature=relatedcorrected link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-WZRUIFHjo
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 27, 2008, at 21:35:20
In reply to corrected link-tututtutseegudbi, posted by Lou Pilder on December 27, 2008, at 21:28:11
> > > >I like what Al Jolson said.
> > >
> > > What did Al Jolson say, Lou?
> >
> > Sigismund,
> > He said,
> > Lou
> > http://personaleyeview.blogspot.com/2005/11/you-aint-seen-nothing-yet.html
> > Then;
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-WZRUIFHjo&feature=related
>
> corrected link
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-WZRUIFHjotry this...
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=17703104278
Posted by Deputy Dinah on December 28, 2008, at 8:32:05
In reply to Re: Antisemitism in Christianity » Bobby, posted by Dena on December 26, 2008, at 23:40:29
> All one has to do is read some of Luther's or Calvin's writings, to see how antiSemitic they were.
> Methinks Jesus wants His reputation back...!
Please don't post anything that could lead others, including Lutherans, Calvinists, or other Christians to feel accused (for example, of antisemetism) or put down.
> Why is the real issue swept under the proverbial rug, while a petty side-issue is hyper-focused on? Clever tactic, if it weren't so poorly over-used.
I'd also like to remind you, when you return, not to post anything that could lead posters who happen to be deputies to feel accused or put down.
Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error. Please also contact him directly with any complaints about deputy action/inaction. He *is* around. It might help to receive a reply to put "Babble" and maybe "deputy complaint" in the subject line.
You've been reminded to be civil already in this thread, so I'm going to have to block you from posting for one week.
Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Also, I did respond to your notification, but I didn't get a copy of it either so there may have been a glitch. I'll resend that information.
Posted by Deputy Dinah on December 28, 2008, at 8:37:38
In reply to Re: Lou's request for a redaction and exception-ptdk, posted by Sigismund on December 25, 2008, at 17:42:55
jump to conclusions
to judge a situation without enough information about it. The investigation isn't finished, so let's not jump to conclusions about what caused the plane to crash.
See also: conclusion, jumpCambridge Dictionary of American Idioms © Cambridge University Press 2003
Posted by Sigismund on December 28, 2008, at 13:46:32
In reply to Jumping to conclusions, posted by Deputy Dinah on December 28, 2008, at 8:37:38
In all fairness though Dinah, I think it really means a minority opinion.
Posted by Dinah on December 28, 2008, at 14:09:25
In reply to Re: Jumping to conclusions, posted by Sigismund on December 28, 2008, at 13:46:32
In all fairness, Sigismund, I do not agree.
"to judge a situation without enough information about it"
Often at Babble the information lacking is intent. So for example, I recently heard from my dog's breeder who asked how things were going. I responded telling her that a test had come up positive, and she could have had reason for being angry with that. She didn't respond. I wrote her later telling her the test was a false positive. She didn't respond. I got a bit nervous and a month or so later dropped her a line, and still got no response. It seemed like a logical conclusion to me that she wasn't answering because she was angry. Later I called her and found out she wasn't at all angry, she was actually pleased with me, but that she'd been really busy and gotten behind with her emails.
Had I at any point along the way posted *my* truth, that she wasn't responding to me because she was angry about the test results, I'd be jumping to a conclusion. At the time it seemed like the logical conclusion and I was sure I was right. But I didn't have all the information. If I had posted that I had written to her several times and she hadn't responded, that would be the facts. But my information stopped there.
Intent isn't the only missing information that is applicable at Babble, but it's a common one.
I would also have to disagree that minority opinions are not tolerated on Babble, if that's what you're saying. Dr. Bob tolerates all opinions on Babble, so long as they are stated in accordance with the civility guidelines. And if you meant that statements critical of Administration are not tolerated, I would disagree with that as well. Which is not to say that you are incorrect. I simply come to a different conclusion.
Posted by Dinah on December 28, 2008, at 14:40:09
In reply to Re: Jumping to conclusions » Sigismund, posted by Dinah on December 28, 2008, at 14:09:25
Well, I suppose there are some opinions that cannot be adequately restated to fit within the civility guidelines and may not be appropriate for sharing at Babble per site guidelines.
Posted by Sigismund on December 28, 2008, at 16:07:06
In reply to Blocked for a week » Dena, posted by Deputy Dinah on December 28, 2008, at 8:32:05
>> All one has to do is read some of Luther's or Calvin's writings, to see how antiSemitic they were.
I was thinking of this.
I've never read Calvin or Luther, but Luther at any rate is famous (in history books) for at least some antisemitic remarks.
I don't think there is much point in judging the past by the standards of the present, but it might be true to say that Christianity at that time was, by and large, antisemitic. This is what you might expect from a belief system that had fissured and was at war with the other part, with witches, peasants, and whoever else.
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 29, 2008, at 13:31:22
In reply to Blocked for a week » Dena, posted by Deputy Dinah on December 28, 2008, at 8:32:05
> > All one has to do is read some of Luther's or Calvin's writings, to see how antiSemitic they were.
>
> > Methinks Jesus wants His reputation back...!
>
> Please don't post anything that could lead others, including Lutherans, Calvinists, or other Christians to feel accused (for example, of antisemetism) or put down.
>
> > Why is the real issue swept under the proverbial rug, while a petty side-issue is hyper-focused on? Clever tactic, if it weren't so poorly over-used.
>
> I'd also like to remind you, when you return, not to post anything that could lead posters who happen to be deputies to feel accused or put down.
>
> Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error. Please also contact him directly with any complaints about deputy action/inaction. He *is* around. It might help to receive a reply to put "Babble" and maybe "deputy complaint" in the subject line.
>
> You've been reminded to be civil already in this thread, so I'm going to have to block you from posting for one week.
>
> Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
>
> Also, I did respond to your notification, but I didn't get a copy of it either so there may have been a glitch. I'll resend that information.Dinah,
I am unsure as to some aspects of your post to Dena here.
In,[...don't post what could lead Lutherans, Calvanists and other Christians to feel put down/accused...]
Dena's post was about,[...how they {were}...](the writings in the past). The past tense is about those writings in the past so I am unsure as to what your rationale(s) could be to post here that the people that you refer to could be led to feel accused/put down about what was in the past. If you could post here your rationale(s) for posting that the people in question could be led to feel put down/accused when they read that past writings were of the nature in question, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly. Also, in order for anyone to make that conclusion that they could feel accused/put down, could it not be that the people that you are referring could be contacted first to have the determination made by them and if you are the one feeling accused/put down when you read it, could you post then your rationale for such? If not, could you post your rationale(s) for that here and then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly?
I am also requesting that the sanction to Dena concerning the parts in question that have a want for infomation for, be redacted untill you post your rationale(s) so that myself and others could post here their response to your rationale(s) as to if it does or does not substantiate that what Dena posted as in question could lead or not lead anyone to feel put down or accused if they read what Dena posted about the historical writings in question, for it is my deep conviction that the statement by Dena is not a charge to anyone alive, for the writings in question were written around the period of 500 years ago.
As far as you posting about a {glitch), I am unsure as to what a glitch could be here, so could you elaborate on what a {glitch} could be as to what you think happened that could cause Dena not to receive a reply to her notification?
Lou
Posted by Dinah on December 29, 2008, at 13:34:52
In reply to Lou's request for rationales- » Deputy Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on December 29, 2008, at 13:31:22
Dr. Bob is aware of the deputy action. If he wishes to revise it, he can.
I wrote a reply to Dena. It apparently was not received by Dena. I don't know what happened. I resent it.
Go forward in thread:
Psycho-Babble Administration | Extras | FAQ
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.org
Script revised: February 4, 2008
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl
Copyright 2006-17 Robert Hsiung.
Owned and operated by Dr. Bob LLC and not the University of Chicago.