Posted by Dr. Bob on November 22, 2003, at 11:15:06
In reply to What is consciousness? « Jonny Trigonometry, posted by Dr. Bob on November 21, 2003, at 18:56:10
Re: What is consciousness?
Posted by Jonny Trigonometry on November 21, 2003, at 21:15:22
In reply to Re: What is consciousness? » Jonny Trigonometry, posted by Bob on November 21, 2003, at 2:40:26
> So what's your ultimate point?
No point. Just trying to see what people think. I'm also trying to understand if AI is even possible, because if it is, then won't we create a new consciousness in the process? I'm also interested in the tempting idea that the thought process itself can be described mathematically. I'm also somewhat inclined to believe that the theory of everything must also include an algorithm of consciousness, in order to get around Hiesenburg's uncertainty principle (ie. Schroudinger's cat paradox). I think if we combine fractal geometry (the other alternative to euclidian geometry as opposed to Reimann's metric tensor) with our existing equations (reletivity, quantum theory, maxwell's field equations, etc.), and describe all forces (gravity, electricity, the strong force, and the weak force) with one field equation that operates at different scales, and add in a Consciousness theory, we will have a theory of everything. It would imply ideas like parallel universes and hyperspace (after all, fractional geometry implies that an infinate number of dimentions can fit in zero dimentions and so on, so our iniverse would have the emergent property of being a single particle with dimention zero within a "higher up" dimention/universe, or as we call it "hyperspace").
I'm sorry, I got off on a HUGE tangent (i love that word), and I'm probably not on the right message board for this type of "crazy talk," or am i? Doesn't Psycho-babble mean Crazy-talk? hehe. My apologies.
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Re: Kierkegaard, Søren- What is consciousness?
Posted by Jonny Trigonometry on November 21, 2003, at 21:23:16
In reply to Re: Kierkegaard, Søren- What is consciousness?, posted by Stavros on November 21, 2003, at 3:12:10
> you have gone a bit too deep for me and I am all caught up in my shorts but it sounds like you would enjoy reading Kierkegaard, Søren. In cannot remember but one of his book is all about consciousness. good luck
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Thanks, I'll try to check that out, I could use all the help I can get.--
Re: consciousness
Posted by Jonny Trigonometry on November 21, 2003, at 21:44:56
In reply to Re: consciousness, posted by pixygoth on November 21, 2003, at 9:50:34
> whoops I answered this post up above...
> but i like what Jonny's saying, and let me say that 1 for goodness sake 120 is a great iq
> 2 as a philosophy with lots of science and logic etc graduate I think what you're saying is actually related to a lot of stuff on the cutting edge of academe -
> complex systems theory?
> strings/ m-theory?
> Spinoza (okay pretty old and i mentioned him above but he's worth it...)
> Anyway keep thinking... it's fun, innit?
> SAhh, hehe. Yes, I was thinking of those ideas (I just read The Computational Beauty of Nature by Gary William flake, and Hyperspace by Michio Kaku). I don't have the math understanding of those ideas yet, but from my vantage point, I can tell you whats wrong with string theory. If you zoom out far enough from the universe, relative to you it doesn't have three dimentions, let alone four, and in no way could you conclude it had ten. To you, you only see a single point with dimention zero. So, dimentions change depending on where the observation takes place, and the only thing that can observe is a consciousness, hence the need to know what consciousness is.
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Re: consciousness » Jonny Trigonometry
Posted by Bob on November 22, 2003, at 2:25:33
In reply to Re: consciousness, posted by Jonny Trigonometry on November 21, 2003, at 21:44:56
My take on your dimenional theory would be, just because you can't see the dimensions from a certain perspective doesn't mean they're not there. The moon looks like a flat disk, but we all know it has a third dimension of depth.
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Re: What is consciousness? » Jonny Trigonometry
Posted by pixygoth on November 22, 2003, at 6:47:29
In reply to Re: What is consciousness?, posted by Jonny Trigonometry on November 21, 2003, at 21:15:22
Jonny, if you "move away" from the universe you're still *in* it, aren't you. You can't escape entirely. And Schrodinger's paradox was just a thought experiment to show what *he* thought was wrong with Quantum Mechanics. There is no problem, he was barking up the wrong concept.
And it's not that many dimensions can go into one... many dimensions can go into a very small *space*, they are still multiple. Spinoza is good on the idea of many dimensions... obviously he wasn't talking about m-theory (by the way,. no offense, but if you don't understand the maths, surely you can't tell anyone what's wrong with it?) but his theory has lots of "dimensions" in the sense of different "modes" of being, which is very useful in this case.
As I said, keep it up, but beware of saying "what is wrong with that is...." when even the professors at MIT etc. are far from sure... (and you're not one of them, right? )
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