Posted by lil' jimi on June 27, 2003, at 21:22:04
In reply to I hope you are interested in my answers/thoughts! » lil' jimi, posted by yesac on June 27, 2003, at 13:50:05
hi yesac,
i had written:
> > ... .. ... so i'm at a loss here ... ... i appreciate knowing you're a girl ... ... i don't know how to ... deal with how i didn't know ... ... because i don't need an excuse or anything since i haven't read you enough, which goes without saying ... ... and everything i feel about this new information to me is .. .... obvious and doesn't need saying ... ... (he looks at the floor and shuffles his feet) <sigh.> ... ... well, i'm glad you're a girl ... ... i like girls. .... thanks for letting me know .... oh! ... i'm a guy.
>and you responded:
> Wow, sorry, I didn't mean to ruin your whole sense of stability in the world and with yourself. I hope that you can manage to once again find peace (if you ever had it to begin with).to which i now reply:
... ... actually, i'm out of shape by being happily married these 17 years ... ...
... ... and having you tell me you were/are a girl caught me off guard ...
... ... then somehow it hit my old shy-with-girl button ... ...
... ... i get to have more than my share of peace and stability ...
... ... but you must know that you have an effect on guys ... ... (?)
... ... and i have found my peace again, thank you ...you had said:
> Oh, and I did think that you are a guy, with the name Jim, BUT of course I really don't know if that's your real name, so it could very well be a ploy to keep your identity secret!me: 'jim' is my real name ... well, "James" is my first name... .. ... "Warren" is my middle name
... "you can call me anything you , please! ... just don't call me Late For Dinner!!"... .. ... about as secret as i get ...me from before:
> > <ahem> ... "unfair" is so intrinsic to life that it stands to be asked in reply "Would we recognize it if life was fair?" ....
> > .... and then perahps, "Would it be interesting?"& you replied:
> Probably not to both questions. And, if life was "fair," then somehow people would still believe it wasn't.me: Ahhhhhhh! someone Might believe that it was unfair for it to be so fair, perhaps? .... most HUMAN!
you:
> Utopia just isn't possible. And it probably would be more boring...me: we could expect some practical ... challenges ... .... but realizing the impossible could be exciting
me again:
> > perhaps its unfairness provides the challenge that makes life sporting .... .... say life was analogous to tennis ... ... the unfairness is the net ... ...your reply:
> Do you think that it is the net that is the unfairness? Because, since the net is equal for both players, then they really have equal opportunity, don't they?me: point well taken! ... i concede! ... my attempted analogy fails.
you:
> But yes, unfairness does provide a sense of challenge in life, like, if someone is less smart than others, he/she might want to challenge himself to work harder to achieve the same goals... but then, maybe it's impossible for this person to ever achieve the same goals, and he/she then just must dwell on the unfairness of it all, or learn to accept it. And then it might lead to low self-esteem, depression, and on and on. So whether this "challenge" of fighting the unfairnesses in our lives is good or bad, well that is another question.me: an apt analysis again succinctly said ....
... ... one the problems in utopia design school is to choose between:
1) having every one have identical capabilities and expectations
or
2) having everyone's expectations adjusted to match their capabilities
... ... either of these would seem to degrade indivduality or personal volition ... ... not too utopian.i had written:
> > life is unfair in order to provide the dramatic tension to support meaningful narrative structure(s) ...and you replied:
> True. It does lead to a lot of interesting conversation, whether directly or indirectly.me: ... ... conversation, good ... but my suggestion works too far to the absurd side of the street: "narrative structures" implies fiction ... ... life implies reality ... no cigar, jim!
you're observation is better: life has entertainment value!so, yes, my most kind Ms yesac, i am most interestred in your excellent thoughts ... ... they would seem to be improvements on my own ... .. ... and i like that. ..... thanks!
~ jim
poster:lil' jimi
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